The English Football Thread

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And here’s another guy to investigate while you’re at it…

 

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34 minutes ago, Vytis33 said:

This should be interesting…

 

 

Because of this …

https://x.com/Josh97LFC/status/1855968991119872392

 

 

Edited November 11 by DDA

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

Even though I agree with him how stupid you have to be?

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Top Man 

''Klopps a cunt, Liverpool is full of fucking bell ends and we fucking hate scousers''

Refereeing body PGMOL says the suspension comes into force with immediate effect and is pending a full investigation. Spoilsports

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Oh dear, Coote is filmed snorting Brazilian marching powder as well

Prem referee David Coote filmed 'snorting white powder' while 'working at Euro 2024'

he's obviously fallen out with his trusted film taker

Coote was suspended on Monday after a clip thought to have been filmed several years ago leaked. In that first clip, the match official was allegedly filmed calling Jurgen Klopp a 'German cunt', as well as blasting a Liverpool performance as "shit".

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It's inevitable there's so much going on within the PGMOL that will hopefully come to light in the coming weeks.

The English game is becoming a laughingstock.

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47 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Oh dear, Coote is filmed snorting Brazilian marching powder as well

Prem referee David Coote filmed 'snorting white powder' while 'working at Euro 2024'

he's obviously fallen out with his trusted film taker

Coote was suspended on Monday after a clip thought to have been filmed several years ago leaked. In that first clip, the match official was allegedly filmed calling Jurgen Klopp a 'German cunt', as well as blasting a Liverpool performance as "shit".

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26 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Haha we've all done it but not with rolled up dollar bills. Part of a payment by the Glazers ?

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

First cool ref in PL. 

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On 11/11/2024 at 18:57, NikkiCFC said:

Even though I agree with him how stupid you have to be?

There's a answer. 

 

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

There's a answer. 

 

btec refs

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Times Football

What Kazuo Ishiguro teaches us about Chelsea

 

Which novel popped into your head as you watched England’s victory over Ireland on Sunday? Because I assume one did. Would be odd if one didn’t.

OK, I’ll go first. Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro is an unsettling book about a boarding school for cloned children whose sole purpose is to provide organs as needed for transplants. And it came to mind because there were so many products of Chelsea’s academy system in the team. The commentary from the sofa in my living room consisted of: “Oh a Chelsea reject,” and “Oh there’s another Chelsea reject.” 

We had the full backs Tino Livramento and Lewis Hall. We had Conor Gallagher who was replaced by Dominic Solanke. We had Marc Guéhi in defence. Was the term reject even the right one, we wondered, and if applicable then who could consider themselves the truest reject? Clearly it was Gallagher who was one of the most consistent players under Mauricio Pochettino last season and a player the fans loved who was, nonetheless, sold in the name of pure profit to Atletico Madrid last summer.

Hall and Livramento both made their England debuts in the final round of Nations League fixtures under Lee Carsley ROBIN JONES/GETTY IMAGES

The sale of home-grown players helps clubs remain within profit and sustainability rules and this is where the Ishiguro comes in. Chelsea’s Cobham production line is mightily impressive but while the kids being coached there might think they are being nurtured for the first team, most of the time their education is there to facilitate the purchase of ready-made talent from elsewhere. There are little bits of Cobham all over the place which is not too surprising given not all of them could fit into a single team, but it does make Chelsea the most influential of clubs and perhaps added to the sense of shared experience and joyful camaraderie that was so palpable at Wembley among the England players. In some ways Bournemouth embodies the opposite of Never Let Me Go. I was allowed an access-all-areas pass for the club a few weeks ago and noticed how many of the faces were familiar because so many never leave. I sat down with Shaun Cooper, a first team coach, and stood and watched training with Simon Francis, the technical director. Cooper was a Bournemouth defender for seven years, then pinged around the south coast before returning as a member of the staff. Francis also spent seven years as a defender with the club plus one out on loan and retired knowing he did not fancy coaching, but was fascinated by the role of technical director because he was close friends with Richard Hughes, who held that role while Francis was a player and who had himself been a former player at the Vitality Stadium.

Alyson Rudd catches up with Francis during her behind-the-scenes trip to Bournemouth ROBIN JONES FOR THE TIMES

You might want to argue that the club are being parochial, but the fact that Hughes is now sporting director for Liverpool instead indicates that Bournemouth might see the value in giving a chance to people who know and understand the club and who in turn they know and thereby see their potential. Francis spent three years learning the ropes about recruitment from Hughes before being promoted, which is surely preferable to a club losing a key member of staff and being forced into panic poaching from elsewhere. Which brings us back to Solanke, who came to Bournemouth via Chelsea and Liverpool and whose transfer to Tottenham Hotspur in August meant Francis was kept very busy finding a replacement, which he did a week later in the form of Evanilson but with an understanding of the needs of the squad and the manager. It would be nice to spend time behind the scenes at every club, but I won’t make that my New Year Resolution as not all of them are, I suspect, as well run as the Cherries.

 

 

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❗️Breaking newsPep Guardiola agrees new one-year contract as Manchester City manager + option of additional 12 months, reports @SamLee. Extension commits 53yo Spaniard to more than a decade at MCFC @TheAthleticFC✅️

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Pep Guardiola: no break clause in new deal if Man City are relegated

Manager’s new contract will not be affected by outcome of club’s hearing into 115 Premier League charges, with City expected to confirm signing of extension this week

https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/pep-guardiola-new-man-city-contract-break-clause-tzmfnwqp3

Pep Guardiola’s new contract will not include a break clause and therefore the outcome of Manchester City’s hearing into 115 Premier League charges will not affect his deal.

City are expected to confirm this week Guardiola’s one-year contract extension with the possibility of another year after that. It is believed his personal relationship with the chairman, Khaldoon Al Mubarak, supersedes the need to have a clause in writing referencing the outcome of the charges.

Guardiola, who is in his ninth season with City, appears to have remained true to his word from 2023 that he would stick with City even if the club were relegated — or “in League One” — as the result of any Premier League punishment.

Guardiola and Al Mubarak met in Abu Dhabi during the October international break, with Manchester City increasingly confident from that point that the manager would stay on.

With the commission into the 115 charges — brought for alleged breaches of the Premier League’s financial rules, which City deny — now sitting, Guardiola has been asked frequently about his stance if the verdict should go against City, but has become increasingly bullish and protective of the club.

He has insisted his future at City will not be determined by the club’s league status, suggesting even relegation would not break it now. To sign without a written guarantee of release is the strongest indication yet that he will still be City’s manager until at least the end of the 2025-26 season, no matter what the commission decides.

Read more

 

Q&A: Will Guardiola deal make City title favourites? And how will it affect transfers?

It is a huge coup for Al Mubarak and City given the uncertainty around the immediate future. There has been talk of legal action from their biggest rivals, including Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur, if found guilty.

Guardiola’s contract news means City, winners of six Premier League titles under the Catalan, can now begin to plan for next season, telling any potential acquisitions that the manager will remain in place.

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Premier League clubs approve changes to associated party transaction rules

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5940017/2024/11/22/premier-league-apt-rule-changes-manchester-city/

Premier League clubs have approved changes to the associated party transaction (APT) rules at a meeting in central London.

Manchester City, Aston Villa, Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest were the only clubs to vote against the proposed alterations.

Manchester City, whose arbitration with the Premier League in the summer led to an independent panel finding some aspects of the APT rules unlawful, were the most vocal about the changes being knocked down.

In the weeks since that decision was made public in October, legal letters were being sent between City and the Premier League over how the issue should be resolved.

“The amendments to the rules address the findings of an arbitration tribunal following a legal challenge by Manchester City to the APT system earlier this year,” read a statement from the league.

“The Premier League has conducted a detailed consultation with clubs — informed by multiple opinions from expert, independent leading counsel — to draft rule changes that address amendments required to the system.

“This relates to integrating the assessment of shareholder loans, the removal of some of the amendments made to APT rules earlier this year and changes to the process by which relevant information from the League’s ‘databank’ is shared with a club’s advisors.

“The purpose of the APT rules is to ensure clubs are not able to benefit from commercial deals or reductions in costs that are not at fair market value (FMV) by virtue of relationships with associated parties.

“These rules were introduced to provide a robust mechanism to safeguard the financial stability, integrity and competitive balance of the league.”

GO DEEPER

Premier League clubs have changed associated party transaction rules. Here’s what it means

The Premier League, due to being unable to process APT deals and potentially open to damages from other clubs trying to secure associated party deals in the interim period, were keen to table their list of amendments as quickly as possible.

They have been consulting with clubs for more than a month regarding changing the APT rules, with Manchester City’s view being that no vote should take place until the tribunal has provided its full guidance on the APT rules.

 

Manchester City were strongly against the changes (Naomi Baker/Getty Images)

The Premier League have spent the last few weeks addressing the points that were found to be unlawful in the tribunal, leaving the other regulations in place.

The new rules, the Premier League say, will ensure there is parity between the treatment of shareholder loans and other APTs going forward.

Transitional rules will be in place to clarify how existing shareholder loans will be treated within that framework. Going forward, shareholder loans will need to be submitted as an APT and subjected to a fair market value assessment.

If it is determined that the loan is not fair market value, then the club will have to terminate or vary the loan to reflect what the Premier League deems to be fair market value and also pay any shortfall in interest.

Another change to the rules is that any shareholder loan which is replaced with other forms of payer — such as being converted into equity or repayment — within 50 days will not be required to be submitted as an APT or assessed for fair market value.

If a shareholder loan was entered into the accounts after December 14, 2021 and remains in effect on January 11, 2025, then it must be submitted as an APT.

Should the Premier League then determine it is not at fair market value, then the club is allowed to retain the loan on its existing terms, although adjustments will need to be made to its accounts for 2024-25 as if it was at fair market value.

Aston Villa’s co-owner, Nassef Sawiris, had called for the vote to be delayed, telling the Daily Telegraph on Wednesday that they would be “voting against the proposed APT rules”, lobbying instead for a three-month delay.

But 16 top-flight clubs voted in favour of amending the rules now, meaning the Premier League has scored a victory.

The Premier League also announced that clubs have unanimously agreed to establish a new in-house media operations business after 20 years in partnership with IMG.

The plan is for all international media content production and distribution to be brought in-house for the start of the 2026-27 season.

The meeting also saw the dates for the 2025-26 campaign confirmed with the opening round of fixtures set to begin on Saturday, August 16 with the closing weekend coming  on Sunday, May 24.

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https://www.vipleague.pm/football-sports-stream

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Premier League | Arsenal vs Nottingham Forest – S1

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Premier League | Fulham vs Wolverhampton Wanderers – S2

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Premier League | Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace – S3

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Premier League | AFC Bournemouth vs Brighton & Hove Albion – S4

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