The English Football Thread

[Gundalf 804]

  On 17/11/2023 at 14:28, LAM09 said:

I honestly can't get my head around how they've gone unscathed (so far) despite that.

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C'mon, you know the answer

[NikkiCFC 8,103]

  On 17/11/2023 at 14:28, LAM09 said:

I honestly can't get my head around how they've gone unscathed (so far) despite that.

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[NikkiCFC 8,103]

  On 17/11/2023 at 12:27, Fulham Broadway said:

Everton deducted 10 points by Premier League over financial fair play breach

By that ruling Man City should be relegated to the Conference League with their 100+ breaches......

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They will still stay up with ease with Burnley, Sheffield and Luton around. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,032]

Chelsea and Man City issued relegation warning after Everton's 10-point deduction

Chelsea and Manchester City have been warned that they could face relegation from the Premier League after Everton were deducted 10 points for breaching the Premier League’s Financial Fair Play rules.

reuters

[LAM09 6,860]

  On 17/11/2023 at 16:50, Gundalf said:

C'mon, you know the answer

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  On 17/11/2023 at 17:45, NikkiCFC said:

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I thought the FA were all about integrity. 🤔

[Superblue 6,372]

There seems to be a general laziness and blanket assumptions that Everton's point deductions are a precursor for us and City.

Each situation is completely different.

With regards to ours, we've already declared to UEFA and settled with them. It wasn't a ridiculous fee that was paid (pretty sure a lot lower than some clubs have been penalised in the past) which would suggest that there were likely some FFP failures but perhaps nothing too excessive.

The Premier League P&S rules are more lenient than UEFA FFP (note Everton made losses of more than £300m but under the Premier League P&S rules this loss was reduced down to around £125m), so there has always been a general assumption that if a club is adhering to UEFA FFP, they should automatically pass the Premier League one too. Therefore depending on how extreme these accounting mistakes may be, it might be found that we're still in compliance with the Premier League P&S, and therefore any punishment would only relate to reported mistakes, and having declared them ourselves, the punishment could and should be significantly lower than what Everton have suffered. If we have failed the Premier League P&S then the Everton punishment now sets a precedent.

The recent reports regarding Roman paying certain expenses outside of the club so far are nothing more than reports and rumours. I think the ability to prove anything like this, which would involve potentially digging into finances beyond Chelsea, will be much more difficult and long winded. The Premier League confirmed they are currently investigating us the other day, but I think that purely relates currently to the errors we have self-declared and not this matter.

[Blue Armour 4,353]

  On 18/11/2023 at 00:23, Superblue said:

There seems to be a general laziness and blanket assumptions that Everton's point deductions are a precursor for us and City.

Each situation is completely different.

With regards to ours, we've already declared to UEFA and settled with them. It wasn't a ridiculous fee that was paid (pretty sure a lot lower than some clubs have been penalised in the past) which would suggest that there were likely some FFP failures but perhaps nothing too excessive.

The Premier League P&S rules are more lenient than UEFA FFP (note Everton made losses of more than £300m but under the Premier League P&S rules this loss was reduced down to around £125m), so there has always been a general assumption that if a club is adhering to UEFA FFP, they should automatically pass the Premier League one too. Therefore depending on how extreme these accounting mistakes may be, it might be found that we're still in compliance with the Premier League P&S, and therefore any punishment would only relate to reported mistakes, and having declared them ourselves, the punishment could and should be significantly lower than what Everton have suffered. If we have failed the Premier League P&S then the Everton punishment now sets a precedent.

The recent reports regarding Roman paying certain expenses outside of the club so far are nothing more than reports and rumours. I think the ability to prove anything like this, which would involve potentially digging into finances beyond Chelsea, will be much more difficult and long winded. The Premier League confirmed they are currently investigating us the other day, but I think that purely relates currently to the errors we have self-declared and not this matter.

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UEFA has already fined the club 10 million for inadequate financial reporting, after the new owners self-admitted, and have left it at that.

I'd be surprised if the PL/FA response is drastically different. 

[bluesman2610 1,369]

  On 18/11/2023 at 04:50, Blue Armour said:

UEFA has already fined the club 10 million for inadequate financial reporting, after the new owners self-admitted, and have left it at that.

I'd be surprised if the PL/FA response is drastically different. 

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The FA will try and make an example of us - they always do. UEFA ruling means nothing to them.

[Blue Armour 4,353]

  On 19/11/2023 at 01:06, bluesman2610 said:

The FA will try and make an example of us - they always do. UEFA ruling means nothing to them.

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All speculation at this point. Also the club hasn't officially been charged with anything. At this point.

The FA regulations for FFP are also believed to be less severe than UEFA's.

 

[nyikolajevics 2,604]

Been a long time since our position on the table was directly behind City.. This 30 point deduction for both teams is big chance for us.

[KEVINAA 110]

 

Chelsea fan Joey knight picks CFC best greatest 11.

 

Cech

James Carvalho Terry cole

Makelele

Lampard kante

Hazard Zola

Drogba

[NikkiCFC 8,103]

  On 19/11/2023 at 11:30, KEVINAA said:

 

Chelsea fan Joey knight picks CFC best greatest 11.

 

Cech

James Carvalho Terry cole

Makelele

Lampard kante

Hazard Zola

Drogba

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James maybe in the future. He is way behind Azpi and Iva. He never won PL.

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

  On 19/11/2023 at 11:30, KEVINAA said:

 

Chelsea fan Joey knight picks CFC best greatest 11.

 

Cech

James Carvalho Terry cole

Makelele

Lampard kante

Hazard Zola

Drogba

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Cech

Ivanovic Carvalho Terry Cole

Makelele

Kante Lampard

Zola              Hazard

Drogba

[KEVINAA 110]

The Football Association has said it is prepared to review evidence of potentially serious breaches of agent rules in a transfer involving Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth and Jermain Defoe

 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,032]

  On 21/11/2023 at 12:46, KEVINAA said:

The Football Association has said it is prepared to review evidence of potentially serious breaches of agent rules in a transfer involving Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth and Jermain Defoe

 

 

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Blimey that's going back a bit

Seems the FA is acting like Putin in having 'kompromat' over dozens of clubs and transactions in order to pursue a relentless number of fines and an endless revenue stream

[ZAPHOD2319 4,576]

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

The only club that will really benefit from this is Newcastle. 

[nyikolajevics 2,604]

  On 21/11/2023 at 12:46, KEVINAA said:

The Football Association has said it is prepared to review evidence of potentially serious breaches of agent rules in a transfer involving Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth and Jermain Defoe

 

 

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FA never fails to disappoint.. After every weekend, people talk and protest against VAR and their idiot referees.. But let's take time to review if Jermaine Defoe (lol) broke some agent rule 20 years ago when he signed Portsmouth. Seriously, who  TF care? Pompey got bankrupted and relegated to fourth tier(I think), Defoe has been retired for ages.. Very irrelevant story..