The English Football Thread

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

yup, me neither. the argument was, in a big team he will get more chances lol. a player who is such a poor finisher wont score more of 100 chances than of 10

Had Zaha come here, he would have been just another Willian in terms of goals and assists output. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

offensive foul by rashford, surely will get utd a pen -.-

[Vesper 30,270]

26 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I never consciously noticed how Utd's away kit is most hideous thing ever

I sorta like it, lolol

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Just now, Vesper said:

I sorta like it, lolol

It looks like paled out snake leather lol

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

zaha wasting chances all day. what a bottler, could not hit a barn door

[killer1257 3,282]

So is there a chance that Palace get a point out of it?

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[DDA 9,983]

32 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yes, we have gotten lucky with the results of late but the point is, we have been sitting in the Top 4, somewhat comfortably, all season but have to now scramble for a Top 4 finish. Just purely from our perspective, we have dropped so many stupid points this season and it's a joke! Losing to Bournemouth, Newcastle, West Ham (twice!), Everton, Southampton. Blowing away leads against Sheffield United, 10-man Arsenal! If we had picked up even half of the points from those games, we would have been home and dry by now. 

I totally agree. We have really made this hard on ourselves. I'm not holding my breath for the Liverpool game but we should beat Wolves. 

[Vesper 30,270]

3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

So is there a chance that Palace get a point out of it?

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who knows, maybe maybe if they score first and go flat back 9, lololol

or Catenaccio, 1950's, 60's Italian style lock box

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

dafuq is milivojevic smoking today can't hit a simple pass right

[Vesper 30,270]

Italian catenaccio

In the 1950s, Nereo Rocco's Padova pioneered catenaccio in Italy where it would be used again by other Italian teams throughout the 1960s; his strategy was initially also known as the mezzosistema, as, like the vianema, it modified elements of the sistema.^[12][18][19] Rocco's tactic, often referred to as the real Catenaccio, was shown first in 1947 with Triestina: the most common mode of operation was a 1–3–3–3 formation with a strictly defensive team approach, while his team would look to score by starting quick counter-attacks with long balls after winning back possession. With catenaccio, Triestina finished the Serie A tournament in a surprising second place. Some variations include 1–4–4–1 and 1–4–3–2 formations. He later had great success with Milan using the catenaccio system during the 60s and 70s, winning several titles, including two Serie A titles, three Coppa Italia titles, two European Cups, two European Cup Winners' Cups, and an Intercontinental Cup.^{[20][21][22][23][24]}

Alfredo Foni also used the catenaccio tactic successfully with Inter during the 1950s; unlike Rocco, however, the teams's strong defensive play off the ball did not limit the offensive manner in which his team played while in possession of the ball.^[12] In his system, his team's right winger, Gino Armano, would drop back to mark the opposing the team's left winger (essentially acting as a tornante, allowing Ivano Blason, the right-back, to shift across and act as a sweeper and clear balls away. Blason also played as a sweeper under Rocco; as such, he is often considered to be the first true sweeper in Italian football.^[5][11]

The key innovation of Catenaccio was the introduction of the role of a libero ("free") defender, also called "sweeper", who was positioned behind a line of three defenders. The sweeper's role was to recover loose balls, nullify the opponent's striker and double-mark when necessary. Another important innovation was the counter-attack, mainly based on long passes from the defence.^[12][25]

In Helenio Herrera's version of catenaccio in the 1960s, he used a 5–3–2 formation, in which four man-marking defenders were tightly assigned to the opposing attackers while an extra player, the sweeper, would pick up any loose ball that escaped the coverage of the defenders. The emphasis of this system in Italian football spawned the rise of many top Italian defenders who became known for their hard-tackling and ruthless defending. However, despite the defensive connotations, Herrera claimed shortly before his death that the system was more attacking than people remembered, saying 'the problem is that most of the people who copied me copied me wrongly. They forgot to include the attacking principles that my Catenaccio included. I had Picchi as a sweeper, yes, but I also had Facchetti, the first full back to score as many goals as a forward.' Indeed, although his Grande Inter side were known primarily for their defensive strength, they were equally renowned for their ability to score goals with few touches from fast, sudden counter-attacks, due to Herrera's innovative use of attacking, overlapping full-backs. Under Herrera, Inter enjoyed a highly successful spell, which saw them win three Serie A titles, two European Cups, and two Intercontinental Cups.^{[26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33]}

 

 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

they have no idea how to defend maguire for the corner ffs. but then again they are without their only 2 decent cbs

[Vesper 30,270]

Otto Rehhagel used a libero-based semi catenaccio system to take Greece to the trophy in 2004

Traianos Dellas was their 6 foot 5 libero/sweeper

King Otto

 

 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

zaha bottlign it again. just take on the shot FFS

[Vesper 30,270]

might have been a pen, PGMOL working their pro manure agenda

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Just now, Vesper said:

might have been a pen, PGMOL working their pro manure agenda

a pen VS manure? dont be silly -.-

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

and over

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

if only zaha had only a tiny bit of the balance, composure and finishing rashford has, they would have been 4 up befroe that.

clear pen on zaha before there

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

again, was a clearpenon zaha but the ref gives a fucking freekick, clearlyin the box

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

milivojevic to blast itover lke always

[NikkiCFC 8,369]

Bruno is so good.

7 goals and 8 assists now in less than 1000 PL minutes.

We so much need MF like that!