Roman wants Jose back?

[Badboy 1,526]

Money means nothing unless you have the right manager and back room staff. You can spend millions and millions but if your back room staff is not up to standard then you will not win a league title. If you own a highly profitable business you need the right people with the right skills around you or you will not reach full potential.

[The Big Drog 1,110]

With no outstanding candidate available this Summer (barring Mourinho being sacked by Madrid and even then there is the big question if he can Roman could work together again) it looks more and more likely that Carlo Ancelotti will get next season, finish out his contract and then Pepe Guardiola will arrive. Personally Im a fan of Pep's I think him a great manager.

[eldo 868]

and then Pepe Guardiola will arrive.

How do you know that?

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I think there are to many on here that suffer from amnesia or have selective memorys?

I didn't any see negative comments last season when Jose's Inter knocked out Barca last season, infact he was heralded as a tactical genius because of it, yet now he employs the same tactics against arguably the best footballing side ever he gets slated! The last time he went toe to toe with Barca they got thumped 5 nil, so he is hardly going to throw the kitchen sink at them ffs! That said Barca antics are atrocious & embarrassing to watch.

I find it annoying when when posters on here are throwing negative comments about a manager that brought us our first title, then back to back titles & finished off with a cup double in final season & if it wasn't for an horrendous injury list that season including injuries to the best keeper in the world at the time & the best back up keeper then we may well of won a treble! We weren't always boring to watch either, we played some great stuff at times but when Robben, Duff & Joey Cole were injured Jose had to revert to a different formation that WAS successful, the negative was that Jose never let his sides go on to winning with a bigger margin & that's one thing that I can applaud Ancelotti for doing.

I've been a Chelsea fan for twice as long as some have been born on here & had to go through many seasons of heartache, so when a manager comes along like Mourinho & brings you a Prem title that you never thought would happen in your lifetime you become attached to him, he may never be our manager again & possibly is part of our history but the guys a winner & should command nothing but respect from every Chelsea fan for his achievements & trophies that he brought to our club, sometimes people are far too ignorant & cannot see the wood for the trees!

Rant over!

Superb post my friend.

People go a little over the top when they say we played 'boring' football. The only difference between then and now was that Mourinho would be contented with a 2-0 lead and would not risk us conceding sloppy goals. Ancelotti prefers to go for the throat.

[DYC. 7,542]

Yep, Ranieri spent approximately 120m compared to Mourinho's 80m'ish in their first season under Roman. Sorry fella but finishing 2nd after spending 120m is a failure in my book & when you compare it to Jose's first season of winning the Prem & league cup, & getting knocked out in the semi-finals of the CL to a goal that never was then there's a huge difference, although Ranieri signed the likes of Makelele so he has to be given credit but Jose was the one who made it happen not Roman, nor Ranieri.

I'm sorry but that's a horrible way of looking at things. You're saying that if you spend a lot of money and you don't win a title, you've failed. That's unrealistic. Mourinho spent 70-80 mil at Madrid and (it looks like) he's not going to win the title or the CL and he even benefited from the 250 mil spent in the summer before he came. Has he failed? Of course not, Barcelona are better than them. No shame in that, just like there's no shame in finishing behind The Invincibles. There's so much more to winning the league title or the CL than having a good team (and a good manager), you also need luck.

And you're turning this into a 'Mourinho did better than Ranieri' discussion (of course he did better than him). That's not what this is about. I said Mourinho isn't the only manager who could've managed to lead Chelsea to two titles (especially with the resources he had).

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I agree there. Mourinho spent that £80 million on top of the £120 million Ranieri had spent. Remember Cech, Robben, Duff, Bridge, Cole, Johnson and so on were signed by Ranieri, and of course Lampard years beforehand.

[DYC. 7,542]

That goes without saying though.

But that was what Henrique meant, at least that's what I think he meant.

I agree there. Mourinho spent that £80 million on top of the £120 million Ranieri had spent. Remember Cech, Robben, Duff, Bridge, Cole, Johnson and so on were signed by Ranieri, and of course Lampard years beforehand.

Exactly. And the fact that the players got used to Chelsea and/or England before he came only made it easier for him.

[Tomo 21,751]

What the fuck with all these anti-Jose posts?

I want Carlo to stay but that does not mean i dont love Jose for what he has done for the club, have you forgotten this is the man that came into our club and won back to back titles with ultimate ease, turned Lamps and JT amongst others from obvious talents to the world beaters they are today, yes he had money to spend but he came in after Arsenal went unbeaten the whole season and had the likes of Henry, Vieira and Pires ALL in their prime and if its so easy to spend and win why is Mancini making a meal of it? Why have Madrid not been dominating world football for the last 20 years? He gave our players the winning mentality that they still hold today.

This boring football myth has been well over-said, did you see us in 04/05 and to a lesser extend 05/06 when Robben and Duff were tearing teams apart? we were playing superb football, goals were coming from every where, a boring team dont score 11 goals in 4 games against Barca (2) and Bayern (2) do they? we may not have played with the "swagger" of Barca but we certainly weren't boring that's for sure. You don't constantly outwit Fergie and Wenger if your a bad manager, Jose has only lost 2 out of 22 against these 2 combined (both to Fergie).

Want proof he aint over-rated? watch the team he won the treble with lose at home to Schalke badly, cant believe any-one thinks he is doing a bad job at Madrid, he is the 1st manager to get that team further than the 2nd round since 2003 and his record in the league states P33 W25 D5 L3 F79 A26 PTS 80 thats nearly 2.5 goals a game (not bad for a "boring mananger") and that points tally in the premier league this season would see them 7 points clear with a game in hand, the fact he is struggling to oust Barca goes to show how good this Barca side are more than anything else, Jose is doing fine at Madrid yes he played negative tactics against Barca but FFS if you don't you get thumped, name me one team thats played Barca at their own game and came out with something better than a heavy loss? Didnt hear any Chelsea fan complain when Guss Hiddink did the same.

TBH it profounds me how any Chelsea fan can even think of a bad word about Jose as i have nothing but love, respect and appreciation for the man.

[DYC. 7,542]

What the fuck with all these anti-Jose posts?

Sigh, I stopped reading here. I'm not anti-anybody. Like I said before and will say for the last time, not trying to take any credit away from Mourinho but you can also exaggerate someone's achievements. I have nothing but love and respect for Mourinho, just don't agree with his 'all about the results' mentality. I'm a lover of the beautiful game.

[Tomo 21,751]

Sigh, I stopped reading here. I'm not anti-anybody. Like I said before and will say for the last time, not trying to take any credit away from Mourinho but you can also exaggerate someone's achievements. I have nothing but love and respect for Mourinho, just don't agree with his 'all about the results' mentality. I'm a lover of the beautiful game.

Football is a results game.

Do you think people will be talking about the Arsenal team that played "great" football but won nowt in 20 years time?

People will be talking about Jose's back to back titles and Carlo's double in 20 years time without doubt.

Plus i dont think Jose plays boring football its just a myth, his teams average over 2 goals a game, thats far from boring.

[Peace. 4,352]

^ You can score a lot of goals while playing a boring style....

[DYC. 7,542]

Football is a results game.

That's your opinion and that's the mentality that is killing the game. CL football is acutally boring nowadays . Football is entertainment for me.

Do you think people will be talking about the Arsenal team that played "great" football but won nowt in 20 years time?

Don't know about others but I know I will always talk about sides that played beautiful football.

People will be talking about Jose's back to back titles and Carlo's double in 20 years time without doubt.

Don't really care about that. I will always remember how we played some great football under Ancelotti last season though and even managed to score many goals in some of those games too.

Plus i dont think Jose plays boring football its just a myth, his teams average over 2 goals a game, thats far from boring.

Goals doesn't equal great entertainment for me. Effectiveness means many goals too and like killamanjaro said, you can score a lot with boring football too. When I say I love beautiful football, I mean the actual play.

And you don't have to agree with me you know, you can look at the game any way you want too.

[Tomo 21,751]

That's your opinion and that's the mentality that is killing the game. CL football is acutally boring nowadays . Football is entertainment for me.

Maybe when im watching any other team than Chelsea, but i always feel best when Chelsea win and i would much rather see us win 1-0 than draw 4-4.

[oxfordblues 299]

bring bak vialli,lol

[DYC. 7,542]

Maybe when im watching any other team than Chelsea, but i always feel best when Chelsea win and i would much rather see us win 1-0 than draw 4-4.

Again, it's not just about the goals. Just because a team won 1-0, doesn't mean their play wasn't entertaining.

And who wouldn't rather win than draw or lose..

I think it's better we just stop here and agree to disagree .

[Henrique 9,133]

Mourinhos Chelsea's was boring. Fact.

Chelsea under Mourinho was hated around the world and it reflected in bad decisions made by referees. Fact.

Mourinho is a great coach. Fact.

Mourinho is the most arrogant character in football. Fact.

Mourinho won 2 PL trophies because of his tatics and of the winning spirit he put on the team. Fact.

Mourinho won 2 PL trophies because of Romans billions. Fact.

Mourinhos tatics were responsible for Chelseas inability to score a fucking single goal in 180 minutes against and avarage Liverpool side in a CL sf. Fact.

Mourinho is a glory hunter. Fact.

Thats it. He is good but I dont want him and all the bad things that would come with him.

Im not anti Mourinho.

[Madmax 9,219]

Im not anti Mourinho.

Nobody will believe you. If you dare to say anything against Mourinho, you will be shot down because this is a Chelsea forum and he's a Chelsea legend. He's above scrutiny or criticism. It doesn't matter if you repeatedly state that you have nothing but respect for him and his achievements here. Sigh.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Nobody will believe you. If you dare to say anything against Mourinho, you will shot down because this is a Chelsea forum and he's a Chelsea legend. He's above scrutiny or criticism. It doesn't matter if you repeatedly state that you have nothing but respect for him and his achievements here. Sigh.

Madmax, it was funny at first, but all you're doing is degrading the quality of the argument when you post stuff like this, and its getting a little bit annoying. I know what you're saying, but give it a break

[GodZola 630]

I'm sorry but that's a horrible way of looking at things. You're saying that if you spend a lot of money and you don't win a title, you've failed. That's unrealistic. Mourinho spent 70-80 mil at Madrid and (it looks like) he's not going to win the title or the CL and he even benefited from the 250 mil spent in the summer before he came. Has he failed? Of course not, Barcelona are better than them. No shame in that, just like there's no shame in finishing behind The Invincibles. There's so much more to winning the league title or the CL than having a good team (and a good manager), you also need luck.

And you're turning this into a 'Mourinho did better than Ranieri' discussion (of course he did better than him). That's not what this is about. I said Mourinho isn't the only manager who could've managed to lead Chelsea to two titles (especially with the resources he had).

I think you will find that I responded to you're original post & I quote -

'Mourinho's tactical mastery would mean nothing without ROMAN'S MILLIONS'

So I put a counter argument to you stating that winning titles is NOT just about being given a pot of gold as Ranieri never managed it despite spending more than Jose & if you want more proof of Jose success without spending large amounts of cash then look at his achievements at Porto before he was installed as our manager.

I think you are digging yourself into a hole because you seem to have taken my posts into a different context even suggesting that I am turning this thread into a ' Mourinho did better than Rainieri' when I was merely pointing out & correctly that Mourinho spent money but made us into Champions which is something not every manager can do, you only have to look at Man City's last 2 managers, or Real Madrid when they went 4 years without a trophy early this century or Inter before they started there recent revival.

You say you are not being disrespectful of Jose but then make comments like he is tactically nothing without Romans millions - well I think that is a contradiction & also state that he is not the only manager that could of lead us to success - well that may of been so but the facts are he did lead us to success, yes Jose not Ranieri nor Joe blinking public.

You might not see coming 2nd to Barca as an under achievement & I can see were your coming from but trust me Jose will, as he strives to be the best because he has that winning mentality something he installs into his teams to make them winners.

[Madmax 9,219]

Madmax, it was funny at first, but all you're doing is degrading the quality of the argument when you post stuff like this, and its getting a little bit annoying. I know what you're saying, but give it a break

I ain't here to amuse or entertain you. If stating exactly what's happened is 'degrading the quality of the argument', so be it.