🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Nathaniel Chalobah

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

looks poor in a poor team

Yeah. Bit worrying too sometimes young guys in poor teams, like Wilshere at Bolton a few years ago, can get a grip of the game by the scruff of the neck and try and change it but Nat didn't really look like doing that today. Hopefully he will get a better loan in January than Burnley, who are going to be struggling all season.

[zolayes 14,489]

Yeah. Bit worrying too sometimes young guys in poor teams, like Wilshere at Bolton a few years ago, can get a grip of the game by the scruff of the neck and try and change it but Nat didn't really look like doing that today. Hopefully he will get a better loan in January than Burnley, who are going to be struggling all season.

Burnley looked terrible and I can't see him developing there

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/9/30/6875537/report-nathaniel-chalobah-burnley-injury-hospital

Playing at Sunday and Tuesday

[zolayes 14,489]

so on loan and playing in their U 21s against Hull .. while OUR U21s were playing in Europe

[Stats 7,142]

Looks like another season of wasted football. Has barely played. When he has not been injured he has been on the bench or not even in the squad. Talent is going to waste. Opinions below reflect what I fully feel. He was one of my favourite players when he was in the reserves. Had so much talent and when he had that successful loan at Watford a couple seasons ago which now seems years back, I thought he was destined for greatness. Nearly went up with Watford that season. I just begin to wonder if only Watford went up. Such a talented player whose talent is not being made use of.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Looks like another season of wasted football. Has barely played. When he has not been injured he has been on the bench or not even in the squad. Talent is going to waste. Opinions below reflect what I fully feel. He was one of my favourite players when he was in the reserves. Had so much talent and when he had that successful loan at Watford a couple seasons ago which now seems years back, I thought he was destined for greatness. Nearly went up with Watford that season. I just begin to wonder if only Watford went up. Such a talented player whose talent is not being made use of.

perhaps he's just as good as we thought he was? He probably has not impressed in training.

Unless there is something in contract that guarantees him some playing time, which I doubt.

[Stats 7,142]

perhaps he's just as good as we thought he was? He probably has not impressed in training.

Unless there is something in contract that guarantees him some playing time, which I doubt.

Dyche has no right to play him however it is a shame that we all wanted to see him have a PL loan which he got and it just has not worked out. He has the physical, technical qualites and is versatile. Hope he is not going down the same route as many other players we have seen. Mourinho was impressed by him as well and was even indicating that he would be part of the squad this seaosn however due to ups and down loans last season that never materialised. However Mourinho knows a talented player when he sees one.

[zolayes 14,489]

you have to remember Burnley are challenging for a place in the CL .. perhaps he should have gone to a mid table team

like West Ham

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

Looks like another season of wasted football. Has barely played. When he has not been injured he has been on the bench or not even in the squad. Talent is going to waste. Opinions below reflect what I fully feel. He was one of my favourite players when he was in the reserves. Had so much talent and when he had that successful loan at Watford a couple seasons ago which now seems years back, I thought he was destined for greatness. Nearly went up with Watford that season. I just begin to wonder if only Watford went up. Such a talented player whose talent is not being made use of.

I'm sad to say that I don't agree with the first two of the quoted tweets from @chelseayouth. Chalobah had some good games at Championship level but, in my opinion, never quite lived up to the praise @cy gives him above. Chalobah's time at Watford was probably his best spell but in the games I watched he was poor more often than he was good. Indeed in the play-off final, with Jose in the stands, his level sank well below poor. I was therefore pretty surprised when Chalobah was preferred to Ake for a spot on that summer's tour and mildly shocked when, at the end of the tour, Jose more or less promised Chalobah a place in the 2014-2015 squad.

I'm afraid I was never optimistic that Chalobah's performances would cause Jose to make good on that 'promise' and remember being tarred with the usual, "So you think you know better than Jose do you?", sort of Jibe for saying so. Well of course I didn't think that, I simply felt the boss was only aiming to give the young man a boost and that his words just overshot the mark a little bit.

There is a lot to like about Chalobah, in fact there are some things about him which I love, but, sadly, I don't see him as a future Chelsea player.

[DH1988 1,348]

Only watched this kid a handful of times, perhaps 6-7 and I have to say each time I was never impressed - not sure what people see or saw in him.

Hope he proves me wrong though saying that.

[ja1 1,166]

In his first season at Watford he was 17 turning 18, so sorry he wasn't as consistent as a seasoned pro, but you only have to speak to the Watford fans to see how highly he was rated there (there will probably be quotes from them somewhere on this thread), the guys who watched him week in week out as opposed to '6-7 times'. I watched him as much as I could that season and for Middlesborough and he generally impressed me. Has great potential.

[ja1 1,166]

In his first season at Watford he was 17 turning 18, so sorry he wasn't as consistent as a seasoned pro, but you only have to speak to the Watford fans to see how highly he was rated there (there will probably be quotes from them somewhere on this thread), the guys who watched him week in week out as opposed to '6-7 times'. I watched him as much as I could that season and for Middlesborough and he generally impressed me. Has great potential.

[DH1988 1,348]

Some time ago that.. If he can't get into the burnley team then it's a worry

[Madmax 9,219]

No surprise it's a worry now ; we let him stagnate (and possibly regress) after the initial success. Can't blame the player.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

No surprise it's a worry now ; we let him stagnate (and possibly regress) after the initial success. Can't blame the player.

Can't blame the player for his own performances?!

[Madmax 9,219]

Can't blame the player for his own performances?!

Can't blame him for hooking him up with terrible loans ... but you knew that.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Can't blame him for hooking him up with terrible loans ... but you knew that.

Still, he's no observer in all this. At the end of the day it's up to him to work hard in training to try to get a chance on the pitch and when he does he needs to take it.

The loans have not been great after Watford. Forest was a terrible decision by the club especially that Watford wanted him back, but he still got plenty of time, especially at the start. I think there were some trouble in the background and he did not want to be there but that is still no excuse for his bad performances and disinterested attitude.

He got better at Boro whom he chose IIRC, but still not to the level he was performing at Watford. And now Burnley: a PL club where he had a real chance of becoming a regular. You can't put the blame on the club for that. He got a chance early in the season when they were 2-0 down against WBA at HT. It was a real chance to put himself in the XI picture. He was just disastrous and they ended up losing 4-0 (one was directly from his mistake IIRC). Since then he's had several sub appearances but has not shown anything to get more time.

Yes, the club has been far from perfect in deciding his loans, but he is not a blameless victim in the stagnation of his career. In the end it's all down to him.

[lionsden 4,689]

No surprise it's a worry now ; we let him stagnate (and possibly regress) after the initial success. Can't blame the player.

I suspect Bamford might stagnate as well if we don't integrate him into the first team next season. shipping him out on loan again shouldn't be an option. I have always said the best way to integrate youngsters is to keep the loan down to one season maximum. Let them train with the first team, learn from the senior plaayers, learn and adapt to the team's tactics and philosophy and most importantly get game time.

When we continually farm this youngsters out on loan, they are faced with the almighty obstacle of adapting to different tactics and a totally new environment and furthermore these clubs have absolutely no incentive to play our youngsters unless they consistently perform superbly week in week out which is totally unrealistic for any player nevermind a youngster.

If we had brought Chalobah back after his successful loan spell at watford and played him in the COC and FA cup with his minutes going up each season (Provided he shows promise ofcourse) that would have helped his development much better as he would have settled into the team and Jose's way and earn the manager's trust too. The extra motivation from playing first team football at Chelsea cannot be underestimated either.

[Madmax 9,219]

Yes, the club has been far from perfect in deciding his loans, but he is not a blameless victim in the stagnation of his career. In the end it's all down to him.

How can you make the jump from 'he's not blameless' (which is reasonable) to 'it's all down to him' (which is not)? You speak about working hard and taking the chances offered ... well, he did that already. It was then up to us to take cognizance of that and trust him to make the step up here, even if the integration took place in installments.

This is Mourinho speaking at the beginning of last season - " He could be in our squad already. But we think one more season and it will be his last one out on loan." (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8836629/jose-mourinho-to-send-chelsea-teenager-nathaniel-chalobah-out-on-loan).He was ready. Chelsea knew it. But they failed to take the initiative, farmed him out one more time and surprise, surprise - the vagaries of the loan system struck. You can put it down to any number of things and speculate all you want about what's going on behind the scenes, but they all arise due to the basic reluctance on Chelsea's part to take him in when he was on the crest of a wave.

Also, he did not choose Boro. Apparently, Mourinho 'told' him he was going there .

[Rom2013 446]

Should we buy every player at the age of 18 that playes OK for any team like Watford? Or are just our players that are really good at that age?

This one failed until now and has no chance toi play for Chelsea (the same case for Kalas and others... you can't play for shit teams, you won't play for Chelsea and almost for sure you won't have an opportunity).

This will happen for manyu players that are in the club right now. Almost every player, and many that today fans think they are increadible. They are not, maybe with exception of Boga.