Styles 9,790 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Ohw my bad then.But i don't like the idea of a pure dribbler in the centre of the pitch in the Premier League though (too crowded). His passing never impressed me last season. But then again, maybe he improved his passing game..I'm the opposite. A midfielder who can dribble like Iniesta is invaluable as he can open up so much space by beating his marker. Deco at times was excellent at this but sadly he came about 7-8 years too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I'm the opposite. A midfielder who can dribble like Iniesta is invaluable as he can open up so much space by beating his marker. Deco at times was excellent at this but sadly he came about 7-8 years too late.Iniesta and Deco aren't pure dribblers though. They are more the types to use a quick flicks to go past one man and they always know when to take on a man or just pass the ball. Marin is the type that likes to drive his markers crazy and go a little too far sometimes (at least that i saw him doing last season) and they wont take that here. They'll just kick him or ''sandwich'' him. But again, i don't know how much he's grown or if he changed his style of play.I agree with you though on having a player like that in midfied (can't play without one in PES ). That's why i was hoping for us to sign Van der Vaart, or at least a player like him, these past two, three transfer periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Iniesta and Deco aren't pure dribblers though. They are more the types to use a quick flicks to go past one man and they always know when to take on a man or just pass the ball. Marin is the type that likes to drive his markers crazy and go a little too far sometimes (at least that i saw him doing last season) and they wont take that here. They'll just kick him or ''sandwich'' him. But again, i don't know how much he's grown or if he changed his style of play. Iniesta isn't a pure dribbler? WHAT?!!? Iniesta ghosts past players like they aren't there. In fact I remember watching the Youth FA Cup final last year and Josh McEachran was almost gliding past players in central positions which was so impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 He is good, but not worth 30 millions. Some comments make him look like better than Messi. Spurs wont sell him right now, specially when they are in the final stages of Champions League. He dont want to leave right now, since he want to play CL. Maybe in the summer a deal is possible...right now, no fucking way. Dont waste your time discussing this absurd and impossible deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Iniesta isn't a pure dribbler? WHAT?!!? Iniesta ghosts past players like they aren't there. In fact I remember watching the Youth FA Cup final last year and Josh McEachran was almost gliding past players in central positions which was so impressive.No you're getting me wrong. What i mean when i say a pure dribbler is that when that type of player has the ball, the first thing he wants to do is get past the player he's facing. Iniesta is not that type of player since he would rather pass the ball to a player in a good position than getting past a player in front of him. Just because a player has the ability to go past players with complete ease, doesn't mean the players a pure dribbler. And you can't compare the Spanish league with the Premier League, since the tempo in that league is much lower and a lot less physical. Players have a lot more time on the ball there and play without the fear of being chopped down. It's okay if a player does it once in a while but doing it regularly in match will result in being the victim of a lot of late tackles.Yeah you're right about McEachran, having the ability to do that really is special. But i hope he knows when to do it and when to just pass the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocktopus8 1 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I think we should go for the lad in Summer. He probably won't leave Tottenham this season, I mean; he's getting regular starts for the club and he's 'on a roll'.TBH, Luka could be the player we need. Someone like him, Wilshere and Henderson. Who can potentially pair up with McEachran to form a prolific Midfield-ship. He can dribble, pass, hold up the ball AND shoot (look at the match v United). BlueLion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I'd actually say Real have got one ugly team Them lot make me look moderately attractive (if you've had a few (hundred) pints).You're God damn right The time when the Real Madrid fired their managers (Del Bosquet) because they weren't handsome enough is far now loool BlueLion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Yeah you're right about McEachran, having the ability to do that really is special. But i hope he knows when to do it and when just to pass the ball.You can see here. He is just natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 You can see here. He is just natural.McEachran - Clifford will be a partnership Lampard & Gerrard never had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Again, FM players are predicting how good players are going to be in the future. How good do we know Hamsik/Marin, etc. will be in the Premier League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Again, FM players are predicting how good players are going to be in the future. How good do we know Hamsik/Marin, etc. will be in the Premier League?Come on stop with that how EPL is way better than Bundesliga and Serie A. It is not like Bundesliga is Sunday league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 To be fair, BL never did say the Premier League was a better league. Some players simply don't perform in a certain league (not saying that would be the case with Hamsik and Marin). BlueLion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 To be fair, BL never did say the Premier League was a better league. Some players simply don't perform in a certain league (not saying that would be the case with Hamsik and Marin).That's exactly my point, I don't remember criticising any other leagues. We've seen world class players in other leagues come to England and look average. Prime examples - Andrei Shevchenko and Diego Forlan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Again, FM players are predicting how good players are going to be in the future. How good do we know Hamsik/Marin, etc. will be in the Premier League? I don't play FM. But by your standards we should disregard any youth potential from abroad? Then who's to say Lukaku will be good in the Premier League? Madmax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 ^ Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I don't play FM. But by your standards we should disregard any youth potential from abroad? Then who's to say Lukaku will be good in the Premier League?Again, something I don't remember saying. Especially since I take a personal interest in looking at young goalkeepers in other leagues as potential players for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Again, something I don't remember saying. Especially since I take a personal interest in looking at young goalkeepers in other leagues as potential players for the future.Then you should be able to recognise that emerging youth talent (the like of Marin & Hamsik [for example purposes]) could be Premier League stars if given a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Oh yes, I'm not disputing that. Its people who seem to know that this player will be as good as Essien or better than Gerrard - those are the people that amaze me with their football knowledge. I'm not refuting what you're saying, I'm quite capable of recognising a talented youngster. My point is this - we can only theorise how good he can be on a football pitch in the Premier League, and under the circumstances they will face at Chelsea. A player who comes here as a youngster will probably make only half a dozen starts a season at most, and with a squad that is expected to win trophies in a highly-competitive league, it is incredibly hard to say how good a player will be. There are many factors that must be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Oh yes, I'm not disputing that. Its people who seem to know that this player will be as good as Essien or better than Gerrard - those are the people that amaze me with their football knowledge. I'm not refuting what you're saying, I'm quite capable of recognising a talented youngster. My point is this - we can only theorise how good he can be on a football pitch in the Premier League, and under the circumstances they will face at Chelsea. A player who comes here as a youngster will probably make only half a dozen starts a season at most, and with a squad that is expected to win trophies in a highly-competitive league, it is incredibly hard to say how good a player will be. There are many factors that must be considered.Ah.. Okay I understand your point then, fair do's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Ahh, sometimes I wish we did use FM to recruit some players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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