🇪🇨 25. Moisés Caicedo

[Fernando 6,585]

A little raw but I still think him and Enzo are going to get better as time passes on. 

With Poch coaching I expect things to improve. Let's not forget he is only 21, and with Enzo they will grow together and chemistry will improve a lot. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

Exactly. We need to know what we bought.

Yes, he was expensive (hardly his fault), but we bought a project, and a project he is.

I did not expect an immediate impact from him, so I'm not one bit disappointed. We need to show patience with these young players, especially the very young, like Caicedo.

[SomethingSomething 17]

6 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Exactly. We need to know what we bought.

Yes, he was expensive (hardly his fault), but we bought a project, and a project he is.

I did not expect an immediate impact from him, so I'm not one bit disappointed. We need to show patience with these young players, especially the very young, like Caicedo.

Tbh for 100m midfielder you fucking better be a top player already and not just a project.

Its not Caicedo fault nor Poch. Its a mistake from board for paying too much on player that isnt worth that, picking a target that doesnt tick any box. Super expensive, not polished. 

He may be world class one day but you just dont pay that for a talent. 

Everytime someone pays big on talent reminds me of Felix. Even if he fulfills potential, thats just covering what was expected for the fee and on top of that you have to wait for years. Chance is he flops and that chance is way bigger than success leaving you with headache and wasted years.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Apparently he was the best midfielder in the PL last season (or so he was according to half of this forum), now he is a project? Fuck off. 

Piss poor again tonight alongside his partner and not for the first time they’ve been all over the shop. 

Both are young players but still, it is unacceptable to say they are projects when we are talking about a World Cup winner who cost £105m and a supposed top midfielder who cost £115m, both of who couldn’t even do the basics for their position or look half arsed tonight. Same with most of them. 

If they had done the basics and lacked the quality yes different story but they didn’t even do the basics, didn’t look arsed. Absolute joke.

If this level of performance is acceptable for the coach or the players then I cannot wait for this season to end. Another waste of a season as we continue to drift off in to becoming a mid table team. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

44 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Apparently he was the best midfielder in the PL last season (or so he was according to half of this forum), now he is a project? Fuck off. 

Piss poor again tonight alongside his partner and not for the first time they’ve been all over the shop. 

Both are young players but still, it is unacceptable to say they are projects when we are talking about a World Cup winner who cost £105m and a supposed top midfielder who cost £115m, both of who couldn’t even do the basics for their position or look half arsed tonight. Same with most of them. 

If they had done the basics and lacked the quality yes different story but they didn’t even do the basics, didn’t look arsed. Absolute joke.

If this level of performance is acceptable for the coach or the players then I cannot wait for this season to end. Another waste of a season as we continue to drift off in to becoming a mid table team. 

Enzo has always been inconsistent but we have seen him and know what he is capable of. Obviously we overpaid by 60m but he had just played the tournament of his life and we needed a Jorginho replacement.
Caicedo on the other hand is just a fraud. Ppl on here cheery-picked stats of his to paint a BS picture he was ‚dominating‘ PL. truth his he is and always has been a run of the mill average player who goes missing when the going gets tough. He was shoved around the field for Brighton cos he is just a pair of legs but unable to nail down a position. 
core of the problem is that our board and the ppl in charge of scouting and evaluating talent are just as clueless as the hype boys on twitter or some on this forum who big up up every kid who puts in decent tackle or scores a screamer one time. 

[DDA 9,938]

Not living up to even 50% of what we paid for him. Absolutely dogshit. 

Pull your fucking finger out or fuck off when Lavia is back.

[robsblubot 3,595]

3 hours ago, SomethingSomething said:

Tbh for 100m midfielder you fucking better be a top player already and not just a project.

Its not Caicedo fault nor Poch. Its a mistake from board for paying too much on player that isnt worth that, picking a target that doesnt tick any box. Super expensive, not polished. 

He may be world class one day but you just dont pay that for a talent. 

Everytime someone pays big on talent reminds me of Felix. Even if he fulfills potential, thats just covering what was expected for the fee and on top of that you have to wait for years. Chance is he flops and that chance is way bigger than success leaving you with headache and wasted years.

Sure but it is what it is. The club for whatever strange reason decided to go for all these young players and all at once -- spending a lot in the process. I don't understand the reasoning, unless it's not a footballing reason.

I just can't act surprised about something I said very early in the Chelsea Transfer channel, which tbh was quite obvious to me. That these players current ability was below our immediate needs. 🤷‍♂️

[ulvhedin 526]

18 hours ago, Fernando said:

A little raw but I still think him and Enzo are going to get better as time passes on. 

With Poch coaching I expect things to improve. Let's not forget he is only 21, and with Enzo they will grow together and chemistry will improve a lot. 

Right now I am not so sure about Poch 'coaching' - we are about 15 games in the season, and players still look like they are playgin for the first time together.

[King Kante 1,643]

42 minutes ago, ulvhedin said:

Right now I am not so sure about Poch 'coaching' - we are about 15 games in the season, and players still look like they are playgin for the first time together.

Hard to tell to be honest, owing to our squad being so young, it could be they just don't have enough game management experience to execute what he is telling them. 

[Strike 7,489]

As bad as he looked last night, he was outnumbered in midfield. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

13 hours ago, Strike said:

As bad as he looked last night, he was outnumbered in midfield. 

I don’t get this outnumbered thing.

manure and us both played 4231

we had Enzo caicedo double pivot and Mudryk/Palmer as no 10

they had mctominay amra DP and penandes no 10

caicedo is just poor no matter which formation.

City have rodri, arse have rice, manure have mct. None of them cost remotely what caicedo did.  iMposing midfielders, taking responsibility, scoring important goals. Even endo and Douglas Luis are performing way better than Caicedo. Dude is just washed already at 22. Tons of money down the drain just like Cucurella, Mudryk, madueke, and all these other stupid signings from our daft board. 

Edited December 8, 2023 by Magic Lamps

[DDA 9,938]

2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

I don’t get this outnumbered thing.

manure and us both played 4231

we had Enzo caicedo double pivot and Mudryk/Palmer as no 10

they had mctominay amra DP and penandes no 10

caicedo is just poor no matter which formation.

City have rodri, arse have rice, manure have mct. None of them cost remotely what caicedo did.  iMposing midfielders, taking responsibility, scoring important goals. Even endo and Douglas Luis are performing way better than Caicedo. Dude is just washed already at 22. Tons of money down the drain just like Cucurella, Mudryk, madueke, and all these other stupid signings from our daft board. 

Paul Winstanley and the other bozo have alot to answer for. 

Their recruitment has been piss poor.

The only player who looks like an actual top talent is Badiashile and Enzo (despite his recent form). The rest are dogshit. 

[Reddish-Blue 2,504]

On 07/12/2023 at 15:52, robsblubot said:

Sure but it is what it is. The club for whatever strange reason decided to go for all these young players and all at once -- spending a lot in the process. I don't understand the reasoning, unless it's not a footballing reason.

I just can't act surprised about something I said very early in the Chelsea Transfer channel, which tbh was quite obvious to me. That these players current ability was below our immediate needs. 🤷‍♂️

Honestly felt like the board was just loading up a new save in football manager and signing every 4 and 5 star wonderkid hoping that they would pan out in 5 years time. 

I actually like Caicedo as a player but that 70-ish million that Arsenal offered to Brighton was overpayment back then and then they somehow laughed their way to the bank as we blindly offered 110+ million for him.  

For 200 million, we could have had a top midfield with experience...but in our case, we have 2 youngsters that will probably get agitated and depart once they actually hit their prime (Enzo won't be short on offers if he lives up to his potential). 

[Reddish-Blue 2,504]

3 hours ago, DDA said:

Paul Winstanley and the other bozo have alot to answer for. 

Their recruitment has been piss poor.

The only player who looks like an actual top talent is Badiashile and Enzo (despite his recent form). The rest are dogshit. 

Wasn't there a post from the Brighton forum where they absolutely loved the fact that they were able to offload Winstanley or the other guy from their scouting/transfers team? 

That speaks volumes about the new ownership at Chelsea.  Roman used to have Piet De Vissier as his senior consultant (i.e. the guy who brought Ronaldo to PSV, found De Bruyne, Courtois and a number of other top talents over the years)...and now all we have is an ex-Spurs man as our head coach. 

[TheHulk 2,444]

6 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Wasn't there a post from the Brighton forum where they absolutely loved the fact that they were able to offload Winstanley or the other guy from their scouting/transfers team? 

That speaks volumes about the new ownership at Chelsea.  Roman used to have Piet De Vissier as his senior consultant (i.e. the guy who brought Ronaldo to PSV, found De Bruyne, Courtois and a number of other top talents over the years)...and now all we have is an ex-Spurs man as our head coach. 

What happened with that Michael Edwards guy we we're targeting.

Edited December 8, 2023 by TheHulk

[Vesper 30,175]

7 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

What happened with that Michael Edwards guy we we're targeting.

He told us to piss off.

Bright lad.

[Vesper 30,175]

On 07/12/2023 at 05:48, DDA said:

Not living up to even 50% of what we paid for him. Absolutely dogshit. 

Pull your fucking finger out or fuck off when Lavia is back.

Lavia may be worse. Not at all saying he bang on will be worse, but there is a decent chance.

[Vesper 30,175]

12 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

City have rodri, arse have rice, manure have mct. None of them cost remotely what caicedo did.

Rice cost £105m

And looks to be worth it, tbh.

[lucio 5,418]

26 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Lavia may be worse. Not at all saying he bang on will be worse, but there is a decent chance.

No way he’s worse on the ball 

[Vesper 30,175]

5 hours ago, lucio said:

No way he’s worse on the ball 

Let's all hope so!!!