15. Nicolas Jackson

[Dan Lee 47]

2 hours ago, Thor said:

......... because you aren't patient enough to let players grow into their own. 

That's the problem. Ex-Chelsea players are playing well elsewhere. Other clubs took advantage of Chelsea system: players in and out in no time.

After observing Chelsea for some seasons, I realized that Chelsea wants to fix things quickly. People are not patient enough to wait for a stability. New players come. If they don't blend in immediately, we say that they are suck. Everything needs time. 

Maybe, Chelsea fans enjoy the rich atitute too much. Since other teams don't have that kind of money, they are more patient with players and plaeyrs flourish in their system. That's life. 

Edited April 25, 2024 by Dan Lee

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Dan Lee said:

That's the problem. Ex-Chelsea players are playing well elsewhere. Other clubs took advantage of Chelsea system: players in and out in no time.

After observing Chelsea for some seasons, I realized that Chelsea wants to fix things quickly. People are not patient enough to wait for a stability. New players come. If they don't blend in immediately, we say that they are suck. Everything needs time. 

Maybe, Chelsea fans enjoy the rich atitute too much. Since other teams don't have that kind of money, they are more patient with players and plaeyrs flourish in their system. That's life. 

Chelsea is a big club by any measure you use, esp valuation. Big clubs don't develop a lot of players in the senior squad; they buy them and win silverware.

Even today our spending is at the top amongst all clubs, so I have a hard time with the argument of developing a full squad of expensive nobodies for 2-3 years is the way to go. We are the only big club doing this, which is really odd to say the least.

Quoting @lucio "every donkey was young once." so we don't really know which of these players will become good, great, passable, or really not good enough and we will only find out in time.

I totally get placing a few bets, esp in attack/striker where acquiring established talent is so hard, but doing so for the entire team at a club like Chelsea is really unheard of.

I'm going to emphasize that I don't even think Jackson is the problem, but the lack of options around him, and for him.
Had Kai stayed for example, we'd have Jackson and him to rotate, or play alongside depending on what you'd need for specific situations. Poor planning left us with only jackson, which considering the amount of money spent is pretty bizarre.

I will also emphasize that the point here *is* to win silverware and not develop players that will become great and move to real madrid in 3 years time.

Edited April 25, 2024 by robsblubot

[lucio 5,418]

9 hours ago, Thor said:

Based on what? One season? 

He has shown more upside than downside, and he is being expected to lead the line in his second pro season. 

All of you will end up complaining when some of these guys go, and start playing like stars because you aren't patient enough to let players grow into their own. 

He’s shite and has 0 potential. He won’t do shit at another club this isn’t salah or de Bruyne 

[Thor 2,689]

23 hours ago, lucio said:

He’s shite and has 0 potential. He won’t do shit at another club this isn’t salah or de Bruyne 

Literally matched Drogba's output in his first season in the PL. With less experience. 

[Vesper 30,091]

1 minute ago, Thor said:

Literally matched Drogba's output in his first season in the PL. With less experience. 

he literally should have at least twice as many goals

so utterly wasteful my mind reels

[lucio 5,418]

58 minutes ago, Thor said:

Literally matched Drogba's output in his first season in the PL. With less experience. 

Half his goals came in a game Vs spurs when they played a high line with 9 men. He's dogshit 

[Reddish-Blue 2,489]

1 hour ago, Thor said:

Literally matched Drogba's output in his first season in the PL. With less experience. 

If he turns out to be half as good as Drogba's career (goals in finals, silverware), we'll be able to sell him for a profit in 2-3 years time 😀

Right now, his conversion rate is horrific, think there was a stat out there showing his conversion rate as second lowest amongst strikers who play for a club in the top half of the table (Nunez was the one lower than him). 

[Thor 2,689]

2 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

If he turns out to be half as good as Drogba's career (goals in finals, silverware), we'll be able to sell him for a profit in 2-3 years time 😀

Right now, his conversion rate is horrific, think there was a stat out there showing his conversion rate as second lowest amongst strikers who play for a club in the top half of the table (Nunez was the one lower than him). 

I'd take Nunez here as well. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

7 minutes ago, Thor said:

I'd take Nunez here as well. 

Has a worse conversion rate than Jackson. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Has a worse conversion rate than Jackson. 

Nunez takes shots from basically anywhere tho while I have rarely seen Jackson attempt to score from outside the box

Personally, I doubt Jackson will ever be super clinical. He just does not have it in him . The intuition, the decisiveness, that little bit of arrogance. Does not mean he can not hit a golden season once or twice in his career.

But that is a problem many strikers nowadays have. They are asked to do everything. Run the channels, link up play, hold the ball up, and park defensively. Jackson has his uses with his pace and work rate. Ppl like him less than Werner despite being a similar player. But his attitude is often horrific in contrast to  humble Timo. Morata was probably more talented than both but all three have recorded some of the worst misses in history. Attitude surely plays a huge role here. 
anyway, as many on here have said, Jackson is not the problem per se , it is that he is asked to be the main man which he clearly is not capable of being. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

25 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Nunez takes shots from basically anywhere tho while I have rarely seen Jackson attempt to score from outside the box

Personally, I doubt Jackson will ever be super clinical. He just does not have it in him . The intuition, the decisiveness, that little bit of arrogance. Does not mean he can not hit a golden season once or twice in his career.

But that is a problem many strikers nowadays have. They are asked to do everything. Run the channels, link up play, hold the ball up, and park defensively. Jackson has his uses with his pace and work rate. Ppl like him less than Werner despite being a similar player. But his attitude is often horrific in contrast to  humble Timo. Morata was probably more talented than both but all three have recorded some of the worst misses in history. Attitude surely plays a huge role here. 
anyway, as many on here have said, Jackson is not the problem per se , it is that he is asked to be the main man which he clearly is not capable of being. 

That, and he doesnt appear to have any neck muscles to head the ball. In itself, not necessarily a problem if he had some redeeming features, as you say shoot on sight.

One of our best strikers historically Jimmy Floyd would do whatever he could to avoid heading, but made up for it with lethal shooting and a deadly partner in crime ie Eidur. Prepared to give him a bit more time -age, first PL season etc but fucking hell he's getting as frustrating as Sterling

 

[lucio 5,418]

 

look at some of these horror misses before we signed him. How bad are our scouts ?

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

That, and he doesnt appear to have any neck muscles to head the ball. In itself, not necessarily a problem if he had some redeeming features, as you say shoot on sight.

One of our best strikers historically Jimmy Floyd would do whatever he could to avoid heading, but made up for it with lethal shooting and a deadly partner in crime ie Eidur. Prepared to give him a bit more time -age, first PL season etc but fucking hell he's getting as frustrating as Sterling

 

Would also be very nice if we had ANY attacking player capable of heading the football in the roster right now. 😅

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Andy Cole just talking about him on Sky, said he sees a lot of himself in his first season - ''gets into the best positions but cant sort his feet out, but his biggest stumbling block is confidence. Once he gets that he'll start banging them in'' Hard to see it myself

[Thor 2,689]

15 hours ago, lucio said:

 

look at some of these horror misses before we signed him. How bad are our scouts ?

Glad you shared this. Half of these aren't even bad misses. The first 40 seconds alone is him taking terrible shots that were not even a half chance. You could make a montage of most strikers taking dumb shots like this. 

Few good saves from the keeper in passes that weren't anywhere near good enough to him. 

And then some horror misses no worse than you'd see from the likes of any other striker. 

 

Everything for him is amplified because it hangs by a thin string here at Chelsea.

Plenty of talent and the right tools there. The same numptys that are saying "oh we finally signed a finisher" when the likes of Morata and Lukaku were signed, were the same ones complaining they forgot how to score when they came here. 

Fans don't know shit - and he keeps doing the right things. Its a game of numbers, and they will start sinking in with more than a fucking season of experience. Yet fans here dogpile on him because he is an easy scapegoat after the penalty thing - and you can blame it on attitude and the lot. 

He is a good footballer now even with his flaws and how frustrating he can be.

"Finishing can't be learnt" - some of you are easy to pick in terms of who has never played a sport at a decent level.