The Next Manager?

[Superblue 6,372]

25 minutes ago, ulsterchelsea said:

No I 100% agree with you. The whole 30 margin I find a bit unusual but it seems to be a thing. As you say i think big Ollie has been a success and would certainly warrant longer and others could play on much longer still. Just reckon they'll still try and stay with younger,more sellable transfer options so that if they don't pay off you can still cash in e.g. drinkwater,Barkley et al

It definitely makes sense to buy younger players from a risk perspective. We have been burnt badly buying players like Shevchenko for big money with no resale value if it was to bomb. Your case in point with Barkley, if he doesn't perform this season I'm pretty sure we could still sell him next summer for £15-20m comfortably, meaning the risk in buying him is far more minimal.

I think Arsenal used to adopt a one year policy over 30 and around this same time they started losing a lot of their big players around this age (Henry, Vieira). We have shown in the past that some of our older players remained critical to the success we have achieved. I hope that this policy we have adopted won't have the same affect that it did with Arsenal and we start losing players like Azpilicueta because the club are only prepared to offer one year contracts when he turns 30.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

7 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

It definitely makes sense to buy younger players from a risk perspective. We have been burnt badly buying players like Shevchenko for big money with no resale value if it was to bomb. Your case in point with Barkley, if he doesn't perform this season I'm pretty sure we could still sell him next summer for £15-20m comfortably, meaning the risk in buying him is far more minimal.

I think Arsenal used to adopt a one year policy over 30 and around this same time they started losing a lot of their big players around this age (Henry, Vieira). We have shown in the past that some of our older players remained critical to the success we have achieved. I hope that this policy we have adopted won't have the same affect that it did with Arsenal and we start losing players like Azpilicueta because the club are only prepared to offer one year contracts when he turns 30.

I actually said to a fella just today how very arsenal like we are becoming...

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

After the post i made about Sarri urgently dashing to Milan around 5, Pedulla says Zola is in Milan awaiting Sarri, who may already be there.  Just waiting for the nod to go to London

 

https://www.tuttonapoli.net/calciomercato/sportitalia-zola-aspetta-sarri-a-milano-si-attende-ultimo-via-libera-per-andare-al-chelsea-361210

[Dimitr 488]

According to @DiMarzio, Monday is the deadline for Sarri to Chelsea. If no agreement had been reached until Monday, then Conte will continue. No agreement has been reached for now. ADL is playing hardball

maybe we are finished.. 

 

[Blue Armour 4,439]

7 hours ago, Dimitr said:

Next week FC

Hopefully these swirling rumors stop by next week

[Superblue 6,372]

If Sarri falls through i think we'll get Blanc. I just cannot see how Conte's position at the club is nothing but untenable.

He clearly doesn't want to be at the club, and we would have to suffer another season of infighting and poor football quality, not to mention the likelihood of a nucleus of players wanting out.

[Dimitr 488]

3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

If Sarri falls through i think we'll get Blanc. I just cannot see how Conte's position at the club is nothing but untenable.

He clearly doesn't want to be at the club, and we would have to suffer another season of infighting and poor football quality, not to mention the likelihood of a nucleus of players wanting out.

If we lose sarri then we must stick with conte .  No blanc or at least make Zola our main manager .He would be a better coach than blanc of course.

[Pizy 18,903]

Hasn't Zola failed pretty miserably as a manager at pretty much every stop? He'd be a disaster here, too.

If Sarri falls through Conte has to stay.

[Dimitr 488]

2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Hasn't Zola failed pretty miserably as a manager at pretty much every stop? He'd be a disaster here, too.

If Sarri falls through Conte has to stay.

Instead of blanc I would back everyone who wants to manage us 😅

[Unionjack 7,531]

14 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

If we lose sarri then we must stick with conte .  No blanc or at least make Zola our main manager .He would be a better coach than blanc of course.

Zola is just going yo be here for helping Sari out with language,settling him in and club related stuff. He wont be anything to do with management.

[Superblue 6,372]

13 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Hasn't Zola failed pretty miserably as a manager at pretty much every stop? He'd be a disaster here, too.

If Sarri falls through Conte has to stay.

How is Conte staying going to benefit us?

He clearly doesn't want to be here. The board clearly don't want him here, they're just unwilling to pay him off. I feel if Conte stayed, he wouldn't be too bothered and would go through the motions in a similar way to our slump at the start of the year. On top of that there is clearly a problem with some of our players with him, particularly most of our flamboyant and creative players who are fed up setting up defensively game after game.

He deserves a lot of praise for the first season, but he is also equally culpable for last season and the club cannot take the risk that last season would be repeated in my opinion.

[Tomo 21,751]

27 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Hasn't Zola failed pretty miserably as a manager at pretty much every stop? He'd be a disaster here, too.

If Sarri falls through Conte has to stay.

He did very well at Watford and kept WHU up with no money, his spell at Birmingham has unfairly created a stigma towards him. Conte has burnt his bridges to the point that almost anyone is a better option despite his world class pedigree, i'd legit rather start the season with AVB mark 2 than AC.

[Duppy Conqueror 1,534]

been so strange since the end of the season..i wouldn`t be shocked if it was announced Roman has sold the club before the summer is over.would explain the silence better than anything else.

[Pizy 18,903]

16 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

How is Conte staying going to benefit us?

He clearly doesn't want to be here. The board clearly don't want him here, they're just unwilling to pay him off. I feel if Conte stayed, he wouldn't be too bothered and would go through the motions in a similar way to our slump at the start of the year. On top of that there is clearly a problem with some of our players with him, particularly most of our flamboyant and creative players who are fed up setting up defensively game after game.

He deserves a lot of praise for the first season, but he is also equally culpable for last season and the club cannot take the risk that last season would be repeated in my opinion.

 

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

He did very well at Watford and kept WHU up with no money, his spell at Birmingham has unfairly created a stigma towards him. Conte has burnt his bridges to the point that almost anyone is a better option despite his world class pedigree, i'd legit rather start the season with AVB mark 2 than AC.

I just don't know. If worst comes to worst and Sarri doesn't happen, maybe we just have to hope that not only Conte, but the board as well learned a harsh lesson and things could get better. He tweaks our style a bit and will now know the league like the back of his hand. That to me would be better than bringing in a last minute panic manager after our top choice falls through.

Gives me a headache just thinking about it, tbh. What a fucking mess.

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

 

I just don't know. If worst comes to worst and Sarri doesn't happen, maybe we just have to hope that not only Conte, but the board as well learned a harsh lesson and things could get better. He tweaks our style a bit and will now know the league like the back of his hand. That to me would be better than bringing in a last minute panic manager after our top choice falls through.

Gives me a headache just thinking about it, tbh. What a fucking mess.

Conte already made a comment at the end of last season saying the board know what he is and he won't be changing anything. The tactics got massively found out last season and the only change was a 3-5-2 which made things even worse in my opinion as a lot of the success last season was based on the speed of attack we had with three forward players given licence to do so.

You are right on the face of things it is a mess. The optimist in me still hopes and believes that the club will make things right and get what's needed done. Although I'd be lying if I didn't say that optimism has definitely eroded somewhat in the last couple of days.

[dreamcfc 182]

I'm surprised it's not been mentioned a lot more but Conte said in his interview after the FA cup that he wanted to play better but felt he had to play this way against top opposition to win, that tells me he didn't have full confidence in the players so had to adapt, he said that when we opened up against good teams, we ended up losing the games.

He obviously wasn't being backed in the market, this is where it all started going sour. If you want Alex Sandro and end up with Zappacosta for example, this is what happens.

 

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

1 hour ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

After the post i made about Sarri urgently dashing to Milan around 5, Pedulla says Zola is in Milan awaiting Sarri, who may already be there.  Just waiting for the nod to go to London

 

https://www.tuttonapoli.net/calciomercato/sportitalia-zola-aspetta-sarri-a-milano-si-attende-ultimo-via-libera-per-andare-al-chelsea-361210

Has it come to this?  It's like deadline day on the BBC page.  Such and such has been spotted at the airport....  

Riquelme rumours incoming.  

[Tomo 21,751]

16 minutes ago, dreamcfc said:

I'm surprised it's not been mentioned a lot more but Conte said in his interview after the FA cup that he wanted to play better but felt he had to play this way against top opposition to win, that tells me he didn't have full confidence in the players so had to adapt, he said that when we opened up against good teams, we ended up losing the games.

He obviously wasn't being backed in the market, this is where it all started going sour. If you want Alex Sandro and end up with Zappacosta for example, this is what happens.

 

We opened up vs United at The Bridge and battered them, we attacked Leti on their own patch and battered them, we attacked Liverpool at Anfield and were the better side. Yes he may not have got the best hand, but he is payed £9m a year to get the best out of what he's got and he didn't come remotely close to achieving it and the fact he as demonstrated with Italy NT and to an extent  16/17 is clearly capable of improving players with good coaching makes it even worse.

28 minutes ago, Pizy said:

 

I just don't know. If worst comes to worst and Sarri doesn't happen, maybe we just have to hope that not only Conte, but the board as well learned a harsh lesson and things could get better. He tweaks our style a bit and will now know the league like the back of his hand. That to me would be better than bringing in a last minute panic manager after our top choice falls through.

Gives me a headache just thinking about it, tbh. What a fucking mess.

The problem is, Conte is such a volatile character when he doesn't get his way even if they "make up" have an amazing transfer window we are one rocky road from him throwing anyone but himself under a bus again, he even had an issue with our policy of having a club based coach on the dugout, (there were even rumours he wanted Holland kicked of the coaching team when he arrived), even Mourinho had absolutely no issue embracing that policy. Imagine if we replaced Holland with Joe Edwards? We'd have some form of stability and a man ready to take caretaker charge if the worse comes to the worse and Sarri isn't done by pre season.

Conte's spell at Chelsea is broken to the point of no return, we are better of starting the season with any half competant manager in comparison.

[dreamcfc 182]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

We opened up vs United at The Bridge and battered them, we attacked Leti on their own patch and battered them, we attacked Liverpool at Anfield and were the better side. Yes he may not have got the best hand, but he is payed £9m a year to get the best out of what he's got and he didn't come remotely close to achieving it and the fact he as demonstrated with Italy NT and to an extent  16/17 is clearly capable of improving players with good coaching makes it even worse.

You gave 3 examples, how many other big games were there in those 2 seasons. What more should he have achieved? I disagree that he didn't come remotely close. 

His first season was brilliant, 2nd season neither him or the players were really in it with so much going on, you could just tell he didn't have that same spark from the first season, we don't know for a fact who is to blame for this and I agree it could have been handled better.

I can't see Conte sticking around either but if that's the case, why is he still here?

[Tomo 21,751]

2 minutes ago, dreamcfc said:

You gave 3 examples, how many other big games were there in those 2 seasons. What more should he have achieved? I disagree that he didn't come remotely close. 

His first season was brilliant, 2nd season neither him or the players were really in it with so much going on, you could just tell he didn't have that same spark from the first season, we don't know for a fact who is to blame for this and I agree it could have been handled better.

I can't see Conte sticking around either but if that's the case, why is he still here?

3 examples or not, it is still enough evidence to demonstrate we can play progressive tactics in big games and not get slapped about. 

Upto January i was stilll very happy with him all in all and would probably say he was doing as good as he could but post new year he was truly abysmal despite the cup win, i think our results were only worsened by AVB's last few months and the Jose meltdown period.