The Next Manager?

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15 minutes ago, bethos1 said:

Which coach do we have the players for?

We have the players for a 'park the bus' coach

[bethos1 802]

Which coach do we have the players for?

We have the players for a 'park the bus' coach [emoji4]

Any coach can park the bus imo, most coaches just refuse to try it.

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10 minutes ago, bethos1 said:

Any coach can park the bus imo, most coaches just refuse to try it.

"Park the bus"  is not an easy tactic to play. People say we "parked the bus" in the past year or so, we didn't, we just tried to defend, failing miserably. We don't even have the players for a proper park the bus, our defence is old and slow, our midfield lacks positioning and is light weight, our attack is full of tiny players who can't find the net regularly (Hazard, Willian) and should be played with a 4-4-2 not a lame 4-2-3-1 an useless and unbalacend system.
Not any coach can play "park the bus" because they don't know the first thing about defending without the ball.

Unless you think, parking the bus means committing all the players behind the ball without any proper plan, then yes, anyone can play park the bus.

[bethos1 802]

Any coach can park the bus imo, most coaches just refuse to try it.

"Park the bus"  is not an easy tactic to play. People say we "parked the bus" in the past year or so, we didn't, we just tried to defend, failing miserably. We don't even have the players for a proper park the bus, our defence is old and slow, our midfield lacks positioning and is light weight, our attack is full of tiny players who can't find the net regularly (Hazard, Willian) and should be played with a 4-4-2 not a lame 4-2-3-1 an useless and unbalacend system.

Not any coach can play "park the bus" because they don't know the first thing about defending without the ball.

Unless you think, parking the bus means committing all the players behind the ball without any proper plan, then yes, anyone can play park the bus.

I'm not saying any coach can do it succesfully but imo every coach can do it. And I agree that our players can't park the bus, that's why I'm against parking the bus with this team. This team is just all over the place, we have attackers who like to play with the ball and we have a midfield and defence of players who are shit on the ball. This team needs some major changes regardless of which coach is coming.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

10 minutes ago, bethos1 said:

This team is just all over the place, we have attackers who like to play with the ball and we have a midfield and defence of players who are shit on the ball. This team needs some major changes regardless of which coach is coming.

Truer words were never spoken 

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

The more I read about Jorge Sampaoli the more I think he's perfect man.

+ plays offensive football

+ but he is flexible enough to change formation and play more defensively (hello Brendan)

+ pressing, intesity, desire, togetherness ... all you want really

+ has personality, players jump in the fire for him

+ can say a cracking quote, interesting character

Nothing I can say about youth promotion though.

There's one huge con which is his lack of European expierience and him being out of Spanish comfort zone. So not all that rosy.

But I would be a happy man if he is appointed.

 

 

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

1 hour ago, bethos1 said:

Which coach do we have the players for?

That's kind of the issue, isn't it?

Ramires works well in a midfield diamond where he can go box to box and has others to do more technical work or be a purely holding midfielder.  He was part of Ancelotti's diamond.  We have a defence that needs to sit deep because it has no pace, good fit for playing on the counter like Jose likes.  We have wingers who like to play with the ball at their feet and be very slow around the box, no one besides Willian seems to want to track back too much.  Would be nice for Blue Barca as Roman is constantly being reported as wanting.  

It's kind of all over the place. 

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

4-3-3 would bring the best out of the players currently at the club, how much would improve things, i've no idea.

               Courtois

Ivanovic-Zouma-Terry-Azpi

               Matic/Mikel

       Fabregas      Ramires

Willian                        Hazard

                 Costa

[bethos1 802]

Which coach do we have the players for?

That's kind of the issue, isn't it?

Ramires works well in a midfield diamond where he can go box to box and has others to do more technical work or be a purely holding midfielder.  He was part of Ancelotti's diamond.  We have a defence that needs to sit deep because it has no pace, good fit for playing on the counter like Jose likes.  We have wingers who like to play with the ball at their feet and be very slow around the box, no one besides Willian seems to want to track back too much.  Would be nice for Blue Barca as Roman is constantly being reported as wanting.  

It's kind of all over the place. 

Ugh I just try not too think about this too much, it's so depressing. I really wonder how it's possible get a team that doesn't fit together at all.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

1 minute ago, bethos1 said:

Ugh I just try not too think about this too much, it's so depressing. I really wonder how it's possible get a team that doesn't fit together at all.

It's from the top down.  Barca lose  Xavi and they just bring in Rakitic and keep on ticking.  Sure, he's a little different, you don't just find a new Xavi, but Rakitic fits what they want.  They have a club ethos and a board that gets signings based on that idea.  They hire a new manager based on that as well.

Our board just seem to have an old copy of FIFA (2008 I think, based on our targets) lying around and build a team like that.  Of course it helps to bring in WC players, but we're not doing that.  If you want to be frugal, you have to get players that fit your squad and can do well within your structure.

Look at Liverpool over the past few years.  Absolute mess.  Another squad with a mish mash of players.  Now, they have a £30M striker that was very good at Villa, but doesn't work with what Klopp wants to do.

You need to have some sort of stability and if you keep changing managers, that stability has to come from the board.

I'm hoping that there is a silver lining to this awful season.  Maybe the next manager won't be expected to win the league and we can start to build a squad that has an identity that we can continue.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

22 minutes ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

4-3-3 would bring the best out of the players currently at the club, how much would improve things, i've no idea.

               Courtois

Ivanovic-Zouma-Terry-Azpi

               Matic/Mikel

       Fabregas      Ramires

Willian                        Hazard

                 Costa

I agree.  I think 433 suits our midfield and wingers the best.  Move Cesc a little further forward without being a pure no.10.  I'd switch out Ramires for Oscar as I think Oscar plays well when he has a little space in front of him, not as a no.10 or second striker.

Maybe I'm wrong, but we don't have a lot to lose this season.  Would it kill us to give it a shot?

[bethos1 802]

Ugh I just try not too think about this too much, it's so depressing. I really wonder how it's possible get a team that doesn't fit together at all.

It's from the top down.  Barca lose  Xavi and they just bring in Rakitic and keep on ticking.  Sure, he's a little different, you don't just find a new Xavi, but Rakitic fits what they want.  They have a club ethos and a board that gets signings based on that idea.  They hire a new manager based on that as well.

Our board just seem to have an old copy of FIFA (2008 I think, based on our targets) lying around and build a team like that.  Of course it helps to bring in WC players, but we're not doing that.  If you want to be frugal, you have to get players that fit your squad and can do well within your structure.

Look at Liverpool over the past few years.  Absolute mess.  Another squad with a mish mash of players.  Now, they have a £30M striker that was very good at Villa, but doesn't work with what Klopp wants to do.

You need to have some sort of stability and if you keep changing managers, that stability has to come from the board.

I'm hoping that there is a silver lining to this awful season.  Maybe the next manager won't be expected to win the league and we can start to build a squad that has an identity that we can continue.

We all know this but why the fuck doesn't our board know this? How do things get this out of control, it's ridiculous. They get paid insane amounts of money, the least you should expect from them is to build a team that fits well together, not this crap. Let's hope they can get their shit together next season.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

On 1/22/2016 at 9:32 AM, bethos1 said:

We all know this but why the fuck doesn't our board know this? How do things get this out of control, it's ridiculous. They get paid insane amounts of money, the least you should expect from them is to build a team that fits well together, not this crap. Let's hope they can get their shit together next season.

Yeah, everyone can see it.  Even Madrid look at our squad and wonder what we're trying to build.

Like I said, I hope that the silver lining in this season is that we become a little more patient in the next few years and try to build an identity without worrying about instant results.  Galactico-lite was a nice run, but it doesn't work when you're trying to build a new stadium and the money faucet slows down.

We've been re-tooling for years.  The CL win put off something that should have been done after that season.  

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The CL win put off something that should have been done after that season.  

That bit is so true. The CL win was amazing, and the club could have retooled in the following years but failed to do so. That's showing this year.

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Chelsea make Max Allegri their No1 target to take over as manager next season [Sun]

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6 hours ago, the wes said:

Chelsea make Max Allegri their No1 target to take over as manager next season [Sun]

So, what is the scoop on this guy? I do not know much about Allegri.

 

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[lucio 5,418]

Could do a lot worse than koeman. Probably learnt a thing or two a rebuilding a squad as well