The Next Manager?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Man we should do what Real Madrid and Man United are doing. Find someone young, maybe has just come out the game, and let him be an assistant to whoever we hire.

Maybe that's what we're going to do with Drogba, perhaps he will be our Zidane or Giggs. We should talk to John Terry also in the contract negotiations, tell him he'll get an extension but in a dual role.

We talk about wanting heart, leaders, people who try and don't fall out with the dressing room? John Terry is that guy. He's probably doing some badges anyway. As long as he stays away from his players' mrs' he'll be okay

[The Skipper 20,609]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

He had several of the best players who have ever played football at Barca. Sure he had to get them to play together in a system and all that but with the insane array of talent he had at his disposal it wasn't like it was some colossal task. 

I meant that we are too much of a project. It would take at least a couple of transfer windows for him to shape us into a Pep team and even longer to play his style of football. Think we'd need almost an entirely new midfield and defense. 

Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc. were nowhere near the level they were at their peak. They had great talent but a lot of their players didn't realise it at all. He has to be given credit for providing the platform that allowed those three to turn into absolute superstars. It wasn't easy either - he had to make difficult decisions i.e. getting shot of Ronaldinho, Eto'o and more. 

A lot of people downplay Pep's work at Barcelona due to the end product that he left there, saying that it was easy... It's actually quite the contrary. The ingredients were there indeed but it took a master chef in Pep to add to that, cook up the perfect meal, to put them together in the most perfect way. That's not easy. 

Similarly, we have some really good ingredients here. We need to add to that. We need a great master chef to put it together. I don't think we're too much of a project for Pep - as I said before, if anything, the fact that he can come here and put his own imprint onto the squad - an imprint the club seems to want to implement - is good. He has a blanker canvas than he'd have at City or United. 

[The Skipper 20,609]

20 minutes ago, LDN Blue said:

Man we should do what Real Madrid and Man United are doing. Find someone young, maybe has just come out the game, and let him be an assistant to whoever we hire.

Maybe that's what we're going to do with Drogba, perhaps he will be our Zidane or Giggs. We should talk to John Terry also in the contract negotiations, tell him he'll get an extension but in a dual role.

We talk about wanting heart, leaders, people who try and don't fall out with the dressing room? John Terry is that guy. He's probably doing some badges anyway. As long as he stays away from his players' mrs' he'll be okay

None of our new school legends have any coaching experience though tbh. The closest one I can think of is Zola. 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

6 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

None of our new school legends have any coaching experience though tbh. The closest one I can think of is Zola. 

Yeah, true that.. Drogba would be the closest if he retires and takes up coaching here long-term

[Ossie the King 634]

24 minutes ago, LDN Blue said:

Man we should do what Real Madrid and Man United are doing. Find someone young, maybe has just come out the game, and let him be an assistant to whoever we hire.

Maybe that's what we're going to do with Drogba, perhaps he will be our Zidane or Giggs. We should talk to John Terry also in the contract negotiations, tell him he'll get an extension but in a dual role.

We talk about wanting heart, leaders, people who try and don't fall out with the dressing room? John Terry is that guy. He's probably doing some badges anyway. As long as he stays away from his players' mrs' he'll be okay

 

JT is probably the best bet for that. Always talked about going into coaching and very analytical apparently. 

6 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Similarly, we have some really good ingredients here. We need to add to that. We need a great master chef to put it together. I don't think we're too much of a project for Pep - as I said before, if anything, the fact that he can come here and put his own imprint onto the squad - an imprint the club seems to want to implement - is good. He has a blanker canvas than he'd have at City or United. 

I think there's a world of difference between where Barca were when Guardiola took over and where we are right now. They were already 5 years into a new plan and when they won the Champions League in 2006 they had the likes of Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi and Valdes in the squad whilst Messi is emerging as a once in a lifetime talent. Pep took them to that next level but the job we need someone to do goes beyond that.

We need someone to kickstart what happened a few years before Guardiola and I don't think he's it. What he is perfect for is taking Man City to that next level and I think that's just what he'll do.

If we actually want to develop on what we've got then Simeone is probably the man we need.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Just now, Ossie the King said:

 

JT is probably the best bet for that. Always talked about going into coaching and very analytical apparently.

Steve Holland or Paul Clement. The latter could do well with Derby this season.

[DYC. 7,542]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc. were nowhere near the level they were at their peak. They had great talent but a lot of their players didn't realise it at all. He has to be given credit for providing the platform that allowed those three to turn into absolute superstars. It wasn't easy either - he had to make difficult decisions i.e. getting shot of Ronaldinho, Eto'o and more. 

A lot of people downplay Pep's work at Barcelona due to the end product that he left there, saying that it was easy... It's actually quite the contrary. The ingredients were there indeed but it took a master chef in Pep to add to that, cook up the perfect meal, to put them together in the most perfect way. That's not easy. 

Similarly, we have some really good ingredients here. We need to add to that. We need a great master chef to put it together. I don't think we're too much of a project for Pep - as I said before, if anything, the fact that he can come here and put his own imprint onto the squad - an imprint the club seems to want to implement - is good. He has a blanker canvas than he'd have at City or United. 

Exactly.

Pique was brought in. a young defender who barely featured for Utd. Abidal did well but didn't set the world alight. He bought Dani Alves and that turned out to be one of their best buys in the modern era.

Jury was still out on Touré. Not great, not bad. Xavi and Iniesta were talented - Xavi was already very seasoned -  but they weren't the defining players they became under Guardiola. A midfield consisting of both Xavi and Iniesta, physically unimpressive midfielders, was so new at the time. And then they added Busquets, no physicality at all.

Messi was the young supertalent. Eto'o was a house-hold name (left after a year though. Henry hadn't adapted yet. That season under Rijkaard was not good, with the experiment of the 'Fantastic Four' (Messi-Eto-Henry-Ronaldinho) simply not working. But he played so much better under Guardiola. Pedro replaced him eventually and suited the system even better.

Rijkaard's Barca was on the wane since that CL win in 06, even finished behind Villarreal once (which was a huge deal), and they looked like they needed to rebuild.

What did Guardiola did with Barca was a mega achievement. It was the start of a new era in football. Football changed after that Barca team won the treble. Tactics changed all over the Europe and the demands of footballers were modified. Think high pressing, ball retention, ball-playing defenders, the importance of technique in midfield (box-to-box really went out of style).

Don't see Guardiola joining. His recent words said it all. Three years at a club is enough. He'd need years to create a team suited to his methods and he's not the type to stay at a club for years and years.

[DYC. 7,542]

1 hour ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

If he is truly looking for a project and the opportunity to build a club in his image then the choice is obvious. I for one think he's toying with us and Utd, he will ultimately go work for the people he knows and trusts in Txiki and Ferran.

The only thing that may swing the pendulum in our favour is London and whether or not his wife has any say in where they want to live. Outside of that we are pretty much never gonna get him... He almost joined in 2013 but the appointment of Rafa salted him on our business practices(who can blame him?) 

City don't have a lot of movable pieces so for him to build his own team would require a complete overhaul. Kompany is injury prone and 30 this year, Yaya is 33, Silva 29 but still highly effective. Their main pieces going forward are Sterling, De Bruyne, Aguero, Bony(?)

On paper we look the more appetizing proposition Terry is done. Ivanovic, Cahill, Remy and Falcao don't look to be part of the long term outlook.

Our main pieces are Costa, Willian, Hazard, Zouma, Courtois, Azpilicueta and maybe Matic... are those pieces along with serviceable pieces he's worked with in the past like Pedro and Fab enough to attract him to London? We do have movable pieces as well like Oscar, Ramires, Mikel...

I'm not sure, at this point my money is on the favourite in Man City but we do make for a compelling option even without Europe next year.

It's a good thing Arsenal have no ambition. In the PL, they're the perfect club for him. Stable, money, similar football ideology, attractive to top players, talented squad only in need of tweaks. He could possibly take them to a new level. But they're interested in making money for the most part.

[The Skipper 20,609]

31 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

 

JT is probably the best bet for that. Always talked about going into coaching and very analytical apparently. 

I think there's a world of difference between where Barca were when Guardiola took over and where we are right now. They were already 5 years into a new plan and when they won the Champions League in 2006 they had the likes of Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi and Valdes in the squad whilst Messi is emerging as a once in a lifetime talent. Pep took them to that next level but the job we need someone to do goes beyond that.

We need someone to kickstart what happened a few years before Guardiola and I don't think he's it. What he is perfect for is taking Man City to that next level and I think that's just what he'll do.

If we actually want to develop on what we've got then Simeone is probably the man we need.

I don't know, that's easy to say in hindsight. You have to credit Pep for taking the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol etc. to the next level. They were just talents at the time. Yeah, Messi is definitely a once in a lifetime talent but you have to again give some credit to Pep for nurturing him into the star he is today. Barcelona were definitely on the wane when he took over.

Pep, or Simeone would both be great options because they both have strong philosophies. They're very different though. It's up to the club to see what way we want to go. I'd be happy with either tbh. I think Simeone is a lot more difficult to prize away because that Atletico team is full of young talent. 

[King Deschain 24]

Simeone or Guardiola would be a dream as far as I'm concerned.

Pellegrini, Ramos, Benitez, Moyes would be a freakin' nightmare.

[Ossie the King 634]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

I don't know, that's easy to say in hindsight. You have to credit Pep for taking the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol etc. to the next level. They were just talents at the time. Yeah, Messi is definitely a once in a lifetime talent but you have to again give some credit to Pep for nurturing him into the star he is today. 

Pep, or Simeone would both be great options because they both have strong philosophies. They're very different though. It's up to the club to see what way we want to go. I'd be happy with either tbh. I think Simeone is a lot more difficult to prize away because that Atletico team is full of young talent. 

Which one would work better alongside Mike? Or if neither one is a good choice would Rodgers be a better fit? 

Could Mike be coach as well? He doesn't have a track record but does that matter?

[The Skipper 20,609]

2 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

Which one would work better alongside Mike? Or if neither one is a good choice would Rodgers be a better fit? 

Could Mike be coach as well? He doesn't have a track record but does that matter?

Emenalo works with the manager, not the other way around. So in a sense he's there to assist the manager. He's really not that influential. 

Could Mike be a coach? Who knows? I'm not sure what that adds to the discussion though, we're not talking about Emenalo here. 

Edited January 5, 2016 by The Skipper

[the wes 7,212]

I will throw myself a front of a bus if Rodgers gets the job 

[Liquidator 5,176]

Would rather douse myself in my own excrement than watch us play under Brendan the transvestite shagger next season

[Ossie the King 634]

14 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Emenalo works with the manager, not the other way around. So in a sense he's there to assist the manager. He's really not that influential. 

Could Mike be a coach? Who knows? I'm not sure what that adds to the discussion though, we're not talking about Emenalo here. 

You say he's not influential but you've credited him with some of our success and the fact is the guy tendered his resignation when Jose came in so I'm asking you whether you think he'd work well with either of them. You have to bear in mind that chatting to a fan of 'Mike' is something of a novelty for me.

 

[The Skipper 20,609]

8 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

You say he's not influential but you've credited him with some of our success and the fact is the guy tendered his resignation when Jose came in so I'm asking you whether you think he'd work well with either of them. You have to bear in mind that chatting to a fan of 'Mike' is something of a novelty for me.

 

You seem to confuse Emenalo's role greatly, CL11 cleared it up for you again (after I did before as well). You seem to think that his role is one of a director of football but he's a technical director. There's a massive difference. We're not having this discussion again, it's pointless. 

You're asking me whether he'd work well with Rodgers, which is stupid. I think he worked well with Mourinho (especially last season), so I don't see why he wouldn't with Pep or Simeone. There's no evidence suggesting he wouldn't. 

[Ossie the King 634]

15 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

You seem to confuse Emenalo's role greatly, CL11 cleared it up for you again (after I did before as well). You seem to think that his role is one of a director of football but he's a technical director. There's a massive difference. We're not having this discussion again, it's pointless. 

You're asking me whether he'd work well with Rodgers, which is stupid. I think he worked well with Mourinho (especially last season), so I don't see why he wouldn't with Pep or Simeone. There's no evidence suggesting he wouldn't. 

No need to use words like stupid now is there? 

I brought it up when perhaps I shouldn't but I have a massive issue with twats like him, Johnny Come Lately's to this club who seem to get responsibility and power handed to them when they're not qualified and whenever there's a changing of the guard and another fuck-up, they get away scot-free. It actually sickens me to see people like that associated with this club, but you have to laugh at the people that blindly defend them. 

But that's just me. I may be wrong but when Roman came along in 2003 we attracted a new breed of fan in many ways and not always for the betterment of this club.

And just to add, once again we need something between Roman and the coach. Despite what the job description might say on the Chelsea website, 'Mike' is it. He's also become Roman's spokesperson apparently now as well so he's going to attract a lot more attention. Personally I'd prefer proper Chelsea in that role or at least someone with a proven track record because what's established there at the moment isn't working and any discussion of new coach is pointless until we actually look at the whole organisation of this club.

[Pizy 18,952]

None of the fullbacks we have would suit Pep. None of the CB's we have would suit Pep. None of the central midfielders either.

This wouldn't be a situation that he could come into and turn into Barca or Bayern in 1 year. He goes to City, United, or even Arsenal and he needs only a couple of additions and he's set more or less.

[ZOS 580]

why do people say arsenal/city philosophy would fit him better than ours? it wasn't long a go that Chelsea had mata, oscar, hazard, willian and kdb in a single squad ffs 

[11Drogba 2,000]

10 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

 whenever there's a changing of the guard and another fuck-up, they get away scot-free.

He has one of the best jobs in the world. If things are good he gets credit. Someone even praised for finding Hazard lol When things are bad they say it is stupid to blame him as he is just an assistant.