The Next Manager?

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

Matt Law just reported the club may bring in intermediaries to help assist Stewart and Winstanley in selling these players, as our previous markets in Italy and Spain are now facing financial issues.

Another report is suggesting Gallagher's 40m valuation is now deemed to high by Premier League clubs. Note that if true, we had both Newcastle and Everton willing to pay this in January. More should of been done to get Gallagher out of the door then. 

[Rick94 2]

6 minutes ago, Hot Dawg said:

Against Man City not to turn up cause that's going to be a cricket score. They could play a mixture of fringe players and kids and they would still slaughter us. Admittedly their fringe players would get into most teams cause they recruited well we have Ziyech and Pull a sickie on the bench the gap in strength and class is staggering.

We played this formation against our loss from Brentford formation 3421 we Had possesion over 70 so we Had control just Had to put better attacking players That’s why I thought IT would be good. 

 

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Matt Law just reported the club may bring in intermediaries to help assist Stewart and Winstanley in selling these players, as our previous markets in Italy and Spain are now facing financial issues.

Another report is suggesting Gallagher's 40m valuation is now deemed to high by Premier League clubs. Note that if true, we had both Newcastle and Everton willing to pay this in January. More should of been done to get Gallagher out of the door then. 

I am not for selling Gala he have potential and always giving 300% he is working hard AND trying too hard Planinc with pansion so imagine if other players Are doing the same how better team we would be??

[Rick94 2]

Just now, Rick94 said:

We played this formation against our loss from Brentford formation 3421 we Had possesion over 70 so we Had control just Had to put better attacking players That’s why I thought IT would be good. 

 

I am not for selling Gala he have potential and always giving 300% he is working hard AND trying too hard Planinc with pansion so imagine if other players Are doing the same how better team we would be??

Playing with passion**

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

7 minutes ago, Rick94 said:

We played this formation against our loss from Brentford formation 3421 we Had possesion over 70 so we Had control just Had to put better attacking players That’s why I thought IT would be good. 

 

I am not for selling Gala he have potential and always giving 300% he is working hard AND trying too hard Planinc with pansion so imagine if other players Are doing the same how better team we would be??

Mate if you want a player that will play for the badge and run like a headless chicken for 90 minutes then sign me up. I'll do it for 10k a week. 

[Mário César 975]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Whoever comes in has got a hell of a task.

Its now being reported some players who signed huge deals have doubts & regrets due to the huge amount of changes they’ve seen this season. Particularly staff changes - not just managers and coaches but the other types of staff that have been moved on.

Also Jorginho leaving mentioned as a huge blow to the dressing room as he was very popular, had great communication due to being multi lingual - but the majority of people on here were always blindsided by that because we were getting a 106m midfielder in his place… (yes he was needed to upgrade on him in the long term but his personality is clearly a huge part of his character). 

https://theathletic.com/4463389/2023/04/29/Chelsea-players-mood-pochettino/?amp=1

And there are still people defending Boehly & Eghbali. 

I todl so many times that type of length contract will give us problems

what a fucking mess 

[Rick94 2]

4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Mate if you want a player that will play for the badge and run like a headless chicken for 90 minutes then sign me up. I'll do it for 10k a week. 

Its not Like that to be honest Because he would not worth 40mil if is that bad he is defending AND attacking other players Are not even running just walking Like we all saw so we Should respect that and he Had some of good pasess and a goal…. 

[Tomo 21,733]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Whoever comes in has got a hell of a task.

Its now being reported some players who signed huge deals have doubts & regrets due to the huge amount of changes they’ve seen this season. Particularly staff changes - not just managers and coaches but the other types of staff that have been moved on.

Also Jorginho leaving mentioned as a huge blow to the dressing room as he was very popular, had great communication due to being multi lingual - but the majority of people on here were always blindsided by that because we were getting a 106m midfielder in his place… (yes he was needed to upgrade on him in the long term but his personality is clearly a huge part of his character). 

https://theathletic.com/4463389/2023/04/29/Chelsea-players-mood-pochettino/?amp=1

And there are still people defending Boehly & Eghbali. 

Who exactly could actually fall into that category?

The January signings would have signed knowing missing out of top 4 was highly likely.

[Superblue 6,370]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Honestly I think if anybody thought Koulibaly and Sterling were coming here on those daft performance incentive contracts like all the young players we signed in January - then they would be dreaming 🤣

Imagine coming to Chelsea from Napoli or Man City as highly experienced, proven players for negotiations and being told you’d be getting a contract that has a 30% pay cut for CL qualification failure and a lot of incentives/bonuses based on progression. You’d laugh them out the room.

And again now, any divide that may come from this - its solely on Boehly & Eghbali’s shoulders for radically changing their policy 6 months after doing what they’ve done. Even more proof which compounds their incompetency and lack of footballing know how.

The policy in general I think is a positive. Higher performance related bonuses should naturally be an incentive for anyone, and the wage drops based on lack of Champions League qualification also somewhat protects the club financially.

There will always be an issue with regards to making a radical change like this which impacts some but not others at the club and unfortunately that's just something that the club has to stomach over the next couple of years as those on older contracts either move on or renew under new terms. If anything, the speed of squad turnover should get this done quicker as most of the players that we'll likely try to move on in the summer will be those on these old contracts. 

The mistake the ownership made was not implementing this from the start, especially when the first two signings were amongst the highest paid. Like you said, maybe as established players, they wouldn't have been prepared to accept the terms but that would have then come down to the club to hold their ground and implement this policy, even if it meant missing out on some targets.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

44 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Who exactly could actually fall into that category?

The January signings would have signed knowing missing out of top 4 was highly likely.

It is hard to tell completely as I think most Jan signings would of known as you’ve said about not getting top 4 but I get the feeling it could really be anybody from someone who came in this summer or people who have been in the squad for a few seasons now.

It mentions sources close to more experienced/senior guys too so it could be any of the likes of or a combination of a few from guys like Azpi, Silva, Kante, Kovacic, Mendy, Koulibaly, Ziyech who are maybe disillusioned with how things are. Even some of the summer signings maybe their thinking what the fuck have I got myself into? Who knows.

I’d like to be a fly on the wall and see what is going on because its beyond ridiculous. Theres far far far too many questions and not enough answers from that article. I mean it’s obvious there are huge issues inside the dressing room and with the whole infrastructure of the club - theres no way we end up where we are and how we are here through just bad performances.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

4 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Another report is suggesting Gallagher's 40m valuation is now deemed to high by Premier League clubs. Note that if true, we had both Newcastle and Everton willing to pay this in January. More should of been done to get Gallagher out of the door then. 

He didn't want to leave, he's under contract our hads are tied, if he says I'm not going then he's not going. contracts work both ways.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,476]

“Sources” is a license to write complete bullshit for clicks.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I mean it’s obvious there are huge issues inside the dressing room and with the whole infrastructure of the club - theres no way we end up where we are and how we are here through just bad performances.

There is to many players in the dressing room and to many getting changed in the hall way, you cant coach 30 to 40 players, you can't build relationships you can't keep everyone happy. There isnt a coach alive that could handle that amount of players and egos under 1 roof. The older players who know they are going will be spreading toxicity around that dressing room for fun. Until that squad is trimmed down and the rot is sold, it doesn't matter who we appoint. Blame the new owners don't blame them, I couldn't care less, but this was needed imo the old flushed out and bring in the youth, granted I didn't think it would happen in one window basically and yes it's cost us a season, but if this works out it wil be 100% worth it in the long haul. I don't believe for one second Amy of our owners are going into the dressing room for pep talks or pre and post match dressing downs, I have no doubt they go in their after that's all taken place but by that point it's irrelevant and has now become a story which no one's actually can prove is true. If video evidence comes out showing tb giving a team talk then I'll hold my hands up, but I firmly believe no video will. I will not judge the owners after the first season or the second for that matter, the idea for the club going forward seem great and the new stadium is also a huge positive. So go ahead give it to me call me a fucking idiot, I honestly couldn't give 2 fucks, 1 bad season will not make me sit here panicking and thinking the clubs fucked am sorry but no just no

Edited May 3, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[Rick94 2]

We need to sell or release Abumeyang, Kovacic, Pulisic, Ziyech, Azpi, we should cancel Zakaria and Felix as well, all other playersc who left would have better focus on the game and it will be easier to menage

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7 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

There is to many players in the dressing room and to many getting changed in the hall way, you cant coach 30 to 40 players, you can't build relationships you can't keep everyone happy. There isnt a coach alive that could handle that amount of players and egos under 1 roof. The older players who know they are going will be spreading toxicity around that dressing room for fun. Until that squad is trimmed down and the rot is sold, it doesn't matter who we appoint. Blame the new owners don't blame them, I couldn't care less, but this was needed imo the old flushed out and bring in the youth, granted I didn't think it would happen in one window basically and yes it's cost us a season, but if this works out it wil be 100% worth it in the long haul. I don't believe for one second Amy of our owners are going into the dressing room for pep talks or pre and post match dressing downs, I have no doubt they go in their after that's all taken place but by that point it's irrelevant and has now become a story which no one's actually can prove is true. If video evidence comes out showing tb giving a team talk then I'll hold my hands up, but I firmly believe no video will. I will not judge the owners after the first season or the second for that matter, the idea for the club going forward seem great and the new stadium is also a huge positive. So go ahead give it to me call me a fucking idiot, I honestly couldn't give 2 fucks, 1 bad season will not make me sit here panicking and thinking the clubs fucked am sorry but no just no

How did the owners overlook this? Shows their lack of understanding of the game and that's a big problem for all future decisions too.

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

7 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

He didn't want to leave, he's under contract our hads are tied, if he says I'm not going then he's not going. contracts work both ways.

 

12 hours ago, TheHulk said:

There is a group of players who are not affected by such cutbacks because they are still on the contracts signed under the previous regime. The policy under the current hierarchy was only adopted after the club had already signed Raheem Sterling and Kalidou Koulibaly last July, so it does not apply to them either.

 

This must be a fucking joke, what the actual fuck.

Gallagher is not even the problem. This huge dysfunctional toxic group dynamic is. Most of the players are probably decent lads but also passengers like most team athletes. Take away leadership on board, manager and squad level and we are left with a bunch of spoiled brats. The imbalanced salary structure amps this up even more. 
what we are looking for in a manager now is someone who gets along with the owners, their management team, the staff, gets leaders into the club and still manages to light a fire under the players, weeds out the shit ones without pissing off too many of the rest. I think it’s almost impossible to do. Not only did potter and Lamps fall tragically short. I think so would Pep, Conte or Mourinho. The only guys I can think of who have managed something like this ever but under less pressure  are Carlo and Klopp. 
but even they would need to stretch. Not only are we in a shit situation but in a predicament so complex  we might not see the end of it under this ownership. in those pre season promo videos where  we saw Sterling strutting around talking BS while weirdly being shadowed by fkin Malang Sarr and proceeding to have the most awkward smalltalk ever with Boehly - my gut reaction was just - oh shit if this is the new Chelsea it’s gonna be bad. But I did not expect it to go downhill this quickly this far. For those fans who at Jesus hear for the glory, this is the time to move on. It will be years, maybe decades until we will compete on all front again. The chaos we are in will deter investors, sponsors and players for ages and significantly impede the development of this club at a time we’re world football is at the crossroads . 

[lucio 5,418]

2 hours ago, Rick94 said:

We need to sell or release Abumeyang, Kovacic, Pulisic, Ziyech, Azpi, we should cancel Zakaria and Felix as well, all other playersc who left would have better focus on the game and it will be easier to menage

Kovacic and felix are good. Zakaria did ok at times too 

[Rick94 2]

2 minutes ago, lucio said:

Kovacic and felix are good. Zakaria did ok at times too 

I think Kova is not same as last season he is playing withous passion like most of our players this season Felix I would not buy him maybe we can give him another year on loan but he should much better in front of the goal, Zakaria is very fast player if coaches had time to give him good position and tactic with his speed he can be good, but we just have too many players its hard to pay attention to everyone

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

12 minutes ago, Rick94 said:

I think Kova is not same as last season he is playing withous passion like most of our players this season Felix I would not buy him maybe we can give him another year on loan but he should much better in front of the goal, Zakaria is very fast player if coaches had time to give him good position and tactic with his speed he can be good, but we just have too many players its hard to pay attention to everyone

This!!! This is our season in a nutshell, to many players far far to many, this is why we don't see individuals improving because with a squad this big you just cannot give any one enough time to coach 1 on 1.