The Next Manager?

[dreamcfc 182]

I'm surprised it's not been mentioned a lot more but Conte said in his interview after the FA cup that he wanted to play better but felt he had to play this way against top opposition to win, that tells me he didn't have full confidence in the players so had to adapt, he said that when we opened up against good teams, we ended up losing the games.

He obviously wasn't being backed in the market, this is where it all started going sour. If you want Alex Sandro and end up with Zappacosta for example, this is what happens.

 

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

1 hour ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

After the post i made about Sarri urgently dashing to Milan around 5, Pedulla says Zola is in Milan awaiting Sarri, who may already be there.  Just waiting for the nod to go to London

 

https://www.tuttonapoli.net/calciomercato/sportitalia-zola-aspetta-sarri-a-milano-si-attende-ultimo-via-libera-per-andare-al-chelsea-361210

Has it come to this?  It's like deadline day on the BBC page.  Such and such has been spotted at the airport....  

Riquelme rumours incoming.  

[Tomo 21,751]

16 minutes ago, dreamcfc said:

I'm surprised it's not been mentioned a lot more but Conte said in his interview after the FA cup that he wanted to play better but felt he had to play this way against top opposition to win, that tells me he didn't have full confidence in the players so had to adapt, he said that when we opened up against good teams, we ended up losing the games.

He obviously wasn't being backed in the market, this is where it all started going sour. If you want Alex Sandro and end up with Zappacosta for example, this is what happens.

 

We opened up vs United at The Bridge and battered them, we attacked Leti on their own patch and battered them, we attacked Liverpool at Anfield and were the better side. Yes he may not have got the best hand, but he is payed £9m a year to get the best out of what he's got and he didn't come remotely close to achieving it and the fact he as demonstrated with Italy NT and to an extent  16/17 is clearly capable of improving players with good coaching makes it even worse.

28 minutes ago, Pizy said:

 

I just don't know. If worst comes to worst and Sarri doesn't happen, maybe we just have to hope that not only Conte, but the board as well learned a harsh lesson and things could get better. He tweaks our style a bit and will now know the league like the back of his hand. That to me would be better than bringing in a last minute panic manager after our top choice falls through.

Gives me a headache just thinking about it, tbh. What a fucking mess.

The problem is, Conte is such a volatile character when he doesn't get his way even if they "make up" have an amazing transfer window we are one rocky road from him throwing anyone but himself under a bus again, he even had an issue with our policy of having a club based coach on the dugout, (there were even rumours he wanted Holland kicked of the coaching team when he arrived), even Mourinho had absolutely no issue embracing that policy. Imagine if we replaced Holland with Joe Edwards? We'd have some form of stability and a man ready to take caretaker charge if the worse comes to the worse and Sarri isn't done by pre season.

Conte's spell at Chelsea is broken to the point of no return, we are better of starting the season with any half competant manager in comparison.

[dreamcfc 182]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

We opened up vs United at The Bridge and battered them, we attacked Leti on their own patch and battered them, we attacked Liverpool at Anfield and were the better side. Yes he may not have got the best hand, but he is payed £9m a year to get the best out of what he's got and he didn't come remotely close to achieving it and the fact he as demonstrated with Italy NT and to an extent  16/17 is clearly capable of improving players with good coaching makes it even worse.

You gave 3 examples, how many other big games were there in those 2 seasons. What more should he have achieved? I disagree that he didn't come remotely close. 

His first season was brilliant, 2nd season neither him or the players were really in it with so much going on, you could just tell he didn't have that same spark from the first season, we don't know for a fact who is to blame for this and I agree it could have been handled better.

I can't see Conte sticking around either but if that's the case, why is he still here?

[Tomo 21,751]

2 minutes ago, dreamcfc said:

You gave 3 examples, how many other big games were there in those 2 seasons. What more should he have achieved? I disagree that he didn't come remotely close. 

His first season was brilliant, 2nd season neither him or the players were really in it with so much going on, you could just tell he didn't have that same spark from the first season, we don't know for a fact who is to blame for this and I agree it could have been handled better.

I can't see Conte sticking around either but if that's the case, why is he still here?

3 examples or not, it is still enough evidence to demonstrate we can play progressive tactics in big games and not get slapped about. 

Upto January i was stilll very happy with him all in all and would probably say he was doing as good as he could but post new year he was truly abysmal despite the cup win, i think our results were only worsened by AVB's last few months and the Jose meltdown period. 

[AK-3001 286]

43 minutes ago, dreamcfc said:

I'm surprised it's not been mentioned a lot more but Conte said in his interview after the FA cup that he wanted to play better but felt he had to play this way against top opposition to win, that tells me he didn't have full confidence in the players so had to adapt, he said that when we opened up against good teams, we ended up losing the games.

He obviously wasn't being backed in the market, this is where it all started going sour. If you want Alex Sandro and end up with Zappacosta for example, this is what happens.

 

I hear you, but not for once do I believe that our club needs to spend 200 million over the top to avoid results like these.

Newcastle 3-0 Chelsea

Chelsea 0-3 Bournemouth

Watford 4-1 Chelsea

 

I'm not even counting the upsets against Crystal Palace, West Ham etc. Conte never took the responsibility and always looked for excuses. It wasn't the Conte we all fell in love with, that's for sure.

[Superblue 6,372]

I do actually think if Conte hadn't been so volatile this season, and had concentrated on the team the board would have backed him for another season despite missing out on top 4. I've seen changes in this during the reigns of Mourinho and Conte which suggests they are much less willing to pull the trigger on a manager and will only do so as a final necessity. This is why I also believe if Sarri does come here and he backs up what he has said previously (doesn't want to get involved in transfers, just wants to concentrate on coaching and developing what he is given) he will be given time by the club to put his style and tactics across.

[AK-3001 286]

1 hour ago, Dimitr said:

According to @DiMarzio, Monday is the deadline for Sarri to Chelsea. If no agreement had been reached until Monday, then Conte will continue. No agreement has been reached for now. ADL is playing hardball

maybe we are finished.. 

 

Getting tired of your fake rumours. THere's nothing like this that DIMarzio has posted, I don't know where you see this. 

 

Also, we're finished? These posts are getting very irritating, stop supporting then or keep shut about it. Don't spread bullshit on here.

[AK-3001 286]

50 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Conte already made a comment at the end of last season saying the board know what he is and he won't be changing anything. The tactics got massively found out last season and the only change was a 3-5-2 which made things even worse in my opinion as a lot of the success last season was based on the speed of attack we had with three forward players given licence to do so.

You are right on the face of things it is a mess. The optimist in me still hopes and believes that the club will make things right and get what's needed done. Although I'd be lying if I didn't say that optimism has definitely eroded somewhat in the last couple of days.

Don't you think Conte would have been sacked already if he wasn't our fall back option for Sarri? I don't know if they'll get Blanc now. Although I'm totally expecting Sarri to still be in charge soon enough. But this is getting frustrating, even for the most patient fans out there

[Tomo 21,751]

8 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I do actually think if Conte hadn't been so volatile this season, and had concentrated on the team the board would have backed him for another season despite missing out on top 4. I've seen changes in this during the reigns of Mourinho and Conte which suggests they are much less willing to pull the trigger on a manager and will only do so as a final necessity. This is why I also believe if Sarri does come here and he backs up what he has said previously (doesn't want to get involved in transfers, just wants to concentrate on coaching and developing what he is given) he will be given time by the club to put his style and tactics across.

If Conte focused mainly on the training pitch we would have comfortably made top four.

Failure to mount any form of title defense is on the board, failure to get top four is on Conte.

[dreamcfc 182]

8 minutes ago, AK-3001 said:

I hear you, but not for once do I believe that our club needs to spend 200 million over the top to avoid results like these.

Newcastle 3-0 Chelsea

Chelsea 0-3 Bournemouth

Watford 4-1 Chelsea

 

I'm not even counting the upsets against Crystal Palace, West Ham etc. Conte never took the responsibility and always looked for excuses. It wasn't the Conte we all fell in love with, that's for sure.

100% agree with you but I just wish we were judging a normal season, would this have happened with the fire Conte had in his first season? and where/why did that fire go? You saw him up and down the touchline, hyping up the fans etc, it just all disappeared after the transfer market it seems.

I'm trying to see if from the clubs perspective as well and that we need to move forward, but for me at least, it's hard to see any of this as positive, if he's not in the clubs plans, he should be well gone after the FA Cup.

[AK-3001 286]

Just now, dreamcfc said:

100% agree with you but I just wish we were judging a normal season, would this have happened with the fire Conte had in his first season? and where/why did that fire go? You saw him up and down the touchline, hyping up the fans etc, it just all disappeared after the transfer market it seems.

I'm trying to see if from the clubs perspective as well and that we need to move forward, but for me at least, it's hard to see any of this as positive, if he's not in the clubs plans, he should be well gone after the FA Cup.

Yeah, it was a collective failure from everyone. From the players to the manager to the Board. Everyone failed and there was no real shining light.

Conte lost me personally and I can't bear seeing him here, although I think he's one of the best managers out there still. The 1-0 loss to Manchester City where we had 11 men behind the ball at 1-0 was very poor and I've never seen anything like that. We jsut accepted defeat cause Conte thought he needed to save Goal Difference, rather than go for a point at the very least.

[dreamcfc 182]

3 minutes ago, AK-3001 said:

Yeah, it was a collective failure from everyone. From the players to the manager to the Board. Everyone failed and there was no real shining light.

Conte lost me personally and I can't bear seeing him here, although I think he's one of the best managers out there still. The 1-0 loss to Manchester City where we had 11 men behind the ball at 1-0 was very poor and I've never seen anything like that. We jsut accepted defeat cause Conte thought he needed to save Goal Difference, rather than go for a point at the very least.

Very true man but that's just it,

First Season we had Pep Conte

Season 2 we had Jose Conte

That City game was terrible, but I think that was just his way of pointing things out to the board, it's probably unprofessional for a manager to do that but I suppose we will never know why so it's one of those.
I do think though, if the board backed Pep Conte more he would have stayed, thats just my view, I  always support the club over managers, but with this fiasco its difficult for me, its taking way too long.

 

[AK-3001 286]

Just now, dreamcfc said:

Very true man but that's just it,

First Season we had Pep Conte

Season 2 we had Jose Conte

That City game was terrible, but I think that was just his way of pointing things out to the board, it's probably unprofessional for a manager to do that but I suppose we will never know why so it's one of those.
I do think though, if the board backed Pep Conte more he would have stayed, thats just my view, I  always support the club over managers, but with this fiasco its difficult for me, its taking way too long.

 

Fair enough. It's really weird though that there are multiple reasons for our failure last season. You could actually blame the Board, the manager, the players and you won't be wrong anywhere in doing so. 

[Dimitr 488]

6 hours ago, AK-3001 said:

Getting tired of your fake rumours. THere's nothing like this that DIMarzio has posted, I don't know where you see this. 

 

Also, we're finished? These posts are getting very irritating, stop supporting then or keep shut about it. Don't spread bullshit on here.

Haha  yes I am Indykalia and I spread fake rumours all day .   

This isn’t a fake rumor    But ok if you believe that is done deal I don’t want to stop you dreaming.