The Next Manager?

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

7 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Maybe we'll do you at the Euros, there's a first time for everything and it looks like that this time you're without the worldbeater and 'Lahmslayer' Balotelli.

Always losing when it matters.

Anyway, that was just a friendly, time for experiments, if Italy can make it out of their group, it's getting dangerous (again).

Last time they beat England and then bottled it against the small team, typical.

Overall i would welcome Conte here.

Well  the same was said about Italy during the last euro, then Balotelli had the game of his life.
But yes, i can see Germany finally beating us when it matters sometime soon
And i don't expect much of Italy this year, if we get out of that group, an that's a massive if, it will already be a massive achievement, but i don't see us going further than a quarter final.

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You are missing the point and one I made a page ago. There is absolutely no fucking point bringing the so called 'genius' Conte, or anyone for that matter into this club if what is behind the scenes is to remain. Conte would continue to be the glove puppet like all before him.

If you, or anyone thinks that Conte alone will come here and completely change the style and structure of this team then you are in for a massive shock. Nothing will change until the whole structure, backroom and scouting side of things change completely. The club has zero direction, if we had direction then the younger kids would of being played more and we would now be seeing the fruits of it, instead we buy has beens or ship everyone out on loan. A scatter gun approach will only last so long and we have now seen it.....Won fuck all season, players on their arses, still hardly not playing the younger lads and panic buys all over.

Conte is good, he is no genius that can fix this broken truck.

 

I appreciate your tone, it's always been refreshing and a pleasure.

No, not sucking up to a mod, lolz.

Anyway, one has to really wonder why the last two coaches give jack shit about most of the younger guys.

Musonda is doing alright in Spain so far, so are Aké and Christensen.

Bring the boys home, also put Traoré, Kenedy and Loftus-Cheek in the mix and enjoy the cocktail.

The best players at the moment have to play, yes, sometimes it's getting a bit controversial, but overall there has to be some sort of guideline.

Especially at the beginning of the season.

I was watching the pre season games, maybe this time we won't get rid of the best or better players like Moses, Boga and so on.

Opening a new door is always exciting, at the end of the day either of us is in for a (massive) shock, but i can see some light at the end of tunnel.

It could be brighter, because bringing in some new guys could be difficult but when we start using what we've already got, we could be in for an exciting journey, just like 2004.

A new good coach can change a lot, Leicester did it, West Ham too, the chance is there for the taking...

[Essien19 1,415]

Well [emoji3] the same was said about Italy during the last euro, then Balotelli had the game of his life.

But yes, i can see Germany finally beating us when it matters sometime soon [emoji14]

And i don't expect much of Italy this year, if we get out of that group, an that's a massive if, it will already be a massive achievement, but i don't see us going further than a quarter final.

It depends who is available and in the right mood. [emoji4]

Your midfield could be a force to be reckoned with: Verratti, Marchisio, De Rossi, Motta and so on could be all over the place and dictacte the play.

But they have to be up for it, i'm under the impression Verratti is better for PSG, but we'll soon find out.

Especially the attacking department, unsure about Pelle and what about guys like El Shaarawy...

Had a very good season once but unable to make the next step.

Maybe with some luck out the draw either of us can teach the cocky Belgium squad a tough lesson in the knockout stages. Don't think they have the right to claim the number one spot.

Regards!

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

1 hour ago, Essien19 said:

It depends who is available and in the right mood.

Your midfield could be a force to be reckoned with: Verratti, Marchisio, De Rossi, Motta and so on could be all over the place and dictacte the play.

But they have to be up for it, i'm under the impression Verratti is better for PSG, but we'll soon find out.

Especially the attacking department, unsure about Pelle and what about guys like El Shaarawy...

Had a very good season once but unable to make the next step.

Maybe with some luck out the draw either of us can teach the cocky Belgium squad a tough lesson in the knockout stages. Don't think they have the right to claim the number one spot.

Regards!

In midfield and defence we can look quite decent on our day, but that rarely happens, at times our defence as looked really weak, or maybe it's just me relishing on the memories of Cannavaro and Nesta. Would be nice to see Verratti put a shift with the national team as well, maybe he'll have a fantastic euro, i surely hope so.
As far as i'm concerned guys like El Shaarawy should be left out, i believe his attitude stinks, hence his inability to make the next step, and for a national team having a group of players that together make a solid team is so important, he wouldn't fit in.
In the group stage i will take a draw against Belgium, that would be ideal, would be nice to have a win against Sweden.
Hope these Belgium lads meet you guys or France/Spain in the latter stages, they'll be up for a right spanking.

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5 hours ago, pHaRaOn said:

Germany 2-3 England

Germany 4-1 Italy

Roy > Conte

#HodgsonToChelsea

Shouldn't it be Blind to Chelsea then?

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9 hours ago, Beepu said:

There's telling the truth and then there's constant whinning on the internet.

It is the truth but it does not make much difference for the local competitions, because most of the top clubs are run by clueless owners and their puppet accountants in England. M.City have a direction but I don't think it is the right direction for an English club.

Europe is different though, it is hard to compete there with clueless owners and their accountants. Again all English clubs struggle there.

Conte has good motivation and man management skills I believe. These skills are very important for managers of PL teams. I am glad we'll get Conte instead of Allegri who I think lacks those skills. So I agree no need to be too negative about next season.

 

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JOSE mourihno will be chelsea manager

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On 30/03/2016 at 5:51 AM, Special Juan said:

Matters little who we get if behind the scenes isn't sorted too. The structure behind the manager at this football club is what's the problem, Conte or Sampaoli, it matters very little because the puppets above will be doing the same thing time after time.

Oh and for the record, the people behind the scenes who brought us Pato.....The fucking issues at this club run so deep it's untrue.

 

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On ‎3‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 8:02 PM, Beepu said:

We get it, transfer budget smaller than bournemouth, Conte shouldn't sign, should sign Sean Dyche instead, board sucks, etc. Seriously, what's the point of some of you coming here daily and writing the same thing when nothing can be done until the summer? What's done is done, the board messed up, made ridiculous decision, everyone's upset and I'm massively upset at the decisions especially the last 2 transfer windows. But all some of you are doing is just reminding us the crap we are in on a daily basis instead of bringing the point across and actually wait until the summer to see if the board can actually rectify their mess up. 

The first thing the board can do to rebuild the club is to hire a competent manager, one in Conte, and you fellas don't want him to sign? What do exactly do you want? For the board to prove you right in saying they are idiots by signing a manager from Motherwell? 

I literally log in a few minutes/day and manage to see the same posts, same points, same whines made in multiple threads by the same people.

Relax 

Is there any reason why the Board would correct their mistakes especially regarding the recruitment policy?

The folks responsible for the mess that the club is in are still in charge and I don't see them changing their ways i.e. puny transfer budget, dictating who is bought and sold, loaning out dozens of players and looking for a quick fix manager who can work miracles without having the necessary back-up and freedom to control his squad.

Regardless if it's Conte or any other decent manager, he will be doomed to failure before his debut season even ends.

Rebuilding has to start with the Board's mindset or even the replacement of some of them. 

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21 minutes ago, bellion said:

Is there any reason why the Board would correct their mistakes especially regarding the recruitment policy?

The folks responsible for the mess that the club is in are still in charge and I don't see them changing their ways i.e. puny transfer budget, dictating who is bought and sold, loaning out dozens of players and looking for a quick fix manager who can work miracles without having the necessary back-up and freedom to control his squad.

Regardless if it's Conte or any other decent manager, he will be doomed to failure before his debut season even ends.

Rebuilding has to start with the Board's mindset or even the replacement of some of them. 

We can't know that, unless you have a crystal ball. Realistically, this mess of a season should be enough of a wake up call for them. I definitely agree with what you are saying though, but to be honest before the summer we have had great windows and I am hoping that this season's windows are just an anomaly.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Glen Hoddle on the board or in charge of the academy. Wouldn't mind it at all, one of the few English football men I actually rate highly. His intelligence and analysis is usually on point, rarely says something stupid.

[Henrique 9,133]

On 3/30/2016 at 10:12 AM, Special Juan said:

You are missing the point and one I made a page ago. There is absolutely no fucking point bringing the so called 'genius' Conte, or anyone for that matter into this club if what is behind the scenes is to remain. Conte would continue to be the glove puppet like all before him.

If you, or anyone thinks that Conte alone will come here and completely change the style and structure of this team then you are in for a massive shock. Nothing will change until the whole structure, backroom and scouting side of things change completely. The club has zero direction, if we had direction then the younger kids would of being played more and we would now be seeing the fruits of it, instead we buy has beens or ship everyone out on loan. A scatter gun approach will only last so long and we have now seen it.....Won fuck all season, players on their arses, still hardly not playing the younger lads and panic buys all over.

Conte is good, he is no genius that can fix this broken truck.
 

So the club is doomed because the younger kids are not playing more? The are many successful clubs around that are based in buying elsewhere instead of developing their own players. Actually this talk about "play the kids" is popular when things are not that perfect.

Its pretty boring this talk about "I don't care about whos next boss is, because the problem is elsewhere, bla bla bla, and next manager will be sacked anyway, bla bla bla". The lack of direction in this club is more related with picking the wrong managers than anything.  As I said before, the names involved in "the next manager" saga speak aloud about it. I mean, Sampaolli almost got the job, but since he has poor english, they are giving Conte the job. Sampaoli and Conte are different animals. We have 0 indication Conte will work as the next manager. Don't tell me he was doing a good job with Juventus, yes he won Seria A there, but winning Seria A with Juve nowadays is not such a big deal. Italian league is decadent, and Juve is perhaps the most well structured italian club at the moment. So, we are not talking about 3 seria trophies in 90s or early 00s.

Think about Conte in 2014. Would anyone here say he was a good option to become the next Chelsea manager? No. So, why he got this job? Well, he became Italian NT head coach. Now he has a different status based in the fact he manages Italy.

If Conte doesn't succeed here the board is to blame, but because the board was the one who decided he was the right man, but he will be the one to blame for his own failure. 

Is the board at fault for Mourinho's 9 defeats and 6 wins in 16 PL game early this season? Yes, since this board was the one to build a Guardiola's squad only to let Mourinho (the anti Guardiola) manage it, but Mourinho was the one responsible for the tactics, and for getting hid of an entire squad of players that are useful elsewhere. 
 

[Henrique 9,133]

On 3/30/2016 at 5:51 AM, Special Juan said:

Matters little who we get if behind the scenes isn't sorted too. The structure behind the manager at this football club is what's the problem, Conte or Sampaoli, it matters very little because the puppets above will be doing the same thing time after time.

Oh and for the record, the people behind the scenes who brought us Pato.....The fucking issues at this club run so deep it's untrue.

I completely disagree. Getting Pato is not the problem, the problem is when there is no harmony between who is buying players and who is using them. I mean, if the club bought Dijilolobji, in my opinion the manager MUST try to make this signing a successful one.  I'm not saying you must throw Dijiloboji into the starting line up, or anything like that, but he wasn't even making in to the squad day. But what happened? Mourinho made it public that he wasn't involved in the acquisition of this player, and it was clear he was never going to use him.

The same thing happened with Pato situation. It was pathetic how Hiddink handled the whole thing. He is trying to convince us Pato had a fitness problem, but he didn't have. Pato already was able to play professional football when he became a Chelsea player. For some reason he was refusing to use Pato. He only used Pato after Costa, Remy and Traore weren't available. WTF? Remy started the game against Villa!! Its clear Remy doesn't have a future here, after 60 days Chelsea was losing money with a player, and Hiddink starts Remy!! I mean, the season is already over, we won't be able to judge if Pato might be a useful player if he is not playing, and that match would be perfect for that.

So, what is happening? Its clear the managers don't have total control of transfers. Thats not exactly a bad thing, since in big clubs its not uncommon that the manager won't have total control of transfers. Think about Real Madrid. The acquisition of the likes of Ronaldo, Bale, James and Kroos are more related with people running the club than with whos the current manager. That doesn't mean the manager can't get some specific players, like Ricardo Carvalho, who was a typical Mourinho's indication for Real Madrid. Same thing happen in Barcelona. Suarez and Neymar are not Barcelona's players because of Tata Martino or Luis Henrique. Zubizarreta, football director, was the man responsible for the transfers.

In my opinion the club must make it clear that as soon as players was bought, the manager must try to use him and only he the signing is proved to be a failure they will look for someone else.

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1 hour ago, Henrique said:

if the club bought Dijilolobji, in my opinion the manager MUST try to make this signing a successful one.  I'm not saying you must throw Dijiloboji into the starting line up, or anything like that, but he wasn't even making in to the squad day. But what happened? Mourinho made it public that he wasn't involved in the acquisition of this player, and it was clear he was never going to use him.

Managers want to win. They survive by winning. Any manager in the world is going to use any player if he considers that player to be good enough and able to contribute to the improvement of his side.

 

1 hour ago, Henrique said:

It was pathetic how Hiddink handled the whole thing. He is trying to convince us Pato had a fitness problem, but he didn't have

I agree with you here to an extent. For at least some, and perhaps most, of the 63 days, Guus has been covering for Pato with the fitness talk. I suggest we should decode it to mean, I don't think all that much of this player.

1 hour ago, Henrique said:

we won't be able to judge if Pato might be a useful player if he is not playing

I couldn't disagree with you more. In fact I'd go so far as to say that even you disagree with this.

To illustrate, you have an opinion on Pato and had it before you ever saw him play for Chelsea. You have opinions about which new players Chelsea ought to sign, but you've never seen any of them play for Chelsea. You formed those opinions while watching these players perform for other teams. Well, Guus has seen players, including Pato, doing that too. What's more he's seen Pato in training everyday for a couple of months. That's more information than you have so surely you must agree that Guus is at least as well placed as you are to make a judgement on Pato. It may not be a judgement you agree with but if the roles were reversed, you'd make your own choices too. People would be bound to disagree with some of your ideas but that's the job of a football manager, and the responsibility which goes with it.

I happen to agree with you that clubs are entitled to sign players. In fact I've admitted that if I had Roman's money, and succeeded in buying Chelsea, I would be taking the final decision on all signings. People who have read my opinions on certain footballers might well be horrified with that idea but I'm just being honest. That is what I would do. The only thing that could persuade me to change my mind, and put someone else in charge, would be if proved to be rubbish at it.

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2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Managers want to win. They survive by winning. Any manager in the world is going to use any player if he considers that player to be good enough and able to contribute to the improvement of his side.

 

I agree with you here to an extent. For at least some, and perhaps most, of the 63 days, Guus has been covering for Pato with the fitness talk. I suggest we should decode it to mean, I don't think all that much of this player.

I couldn't disagree with you more. In fact I'd go so far as to say that even you disagree with this.

To illustrate, you have an opinion on Pato and had it before you ever saw him play for Chelsea. You have opinions about which new players Chelsea ought to sign, but you've never seen any of them play for Chelsea. You formed those opinions while watching these players perform for other teams. Well, Guus has seen players, including Pato, doing that too. What's more he's seen Pato in training everyday for a couple of months. That's more information than you have so surely you must agree that Guus is at least as well placed as you are to make a judgement on Pato. It may not be a judgement you agree with but if the roles were reversed, you'd make your own choices too. People would be bound to disagree with some of your ideas but that's the job of a football manager, and the responsibility which goes with it.

I happen to agree with you that clubs are entitled to sign players. In fact I've admitted that if I had Roman's money, and succeeded in buying Chelsea, I would be taking the final decision on all signings. People who have read my opinions on certain footballers might well be horrified with that idea but I'm just being honest. That is what I would do. The only thing that could persuade me to change my mind, and put someone else in charge, would be if proved to be rubbish at it.

Doesn't make any sense and doesn't even related with my post at all.

 

1- " Any manager in the world is going to use any player if he considers that player to be good enough and able to contribute to the improvement of his side."  Thats pretty obvious, but we are not talking about an Ali Dia here, are we? Early in the season the defense was easily the worst aspect of this team, with Cahill and Terry with below bar performances, and Hiddink doesn't even have a job to save, and as I said in my post, I'm not saying a new player must be throw in the team despite how bad he might be, so your point is pretty irrelevant and doesn't even dialogue with my post.

2-  I really don't know whats the point of the second part of your post. Lets see: if you want to use "we are not watching training sessions", the every debate about who should be playing is 100% irrelevant, since only who is seeing training everyday should give opinions about is a specific line up is right or not. About Guus making choices, he is making the wrong choices. The season is over, there ir a player that the club got on loan, and the club got this player on loan in order to see his qualities before making a permanent deal, but this player is not playing for unknown reasons. If the club was fighting for a top 4 or still playing for any kind of trophy I would agree with you, but thats no the case here, we are talking about a game that can be considered an official friendly, a typical game that should be use to make experiments of give squad players more playing time.

A coach has choices to make but the also must understand he must respect the club's strategy. If you are the coach, and if the club just pay 80m for a striker, you can't just say "I'm happy with my current striker, and this 80m guy will be sitting on the bench as long as my main striker is fit". If the club is investing huge money on the academy, the manager just can't discard the kids that quick. Yes, he can choose to not play that 80m striker and refuse to pay attention to players from academy, but those choices will be wrong ones.

Again about Pato and other players, you are right, we never saw them playing for Chelsea, but playing for Chelsea is different than training for Chelsea. Training good is not the same as playing good.

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Conte is already in London as he waits to put pen to paper to join his new club. (via @DiMarzio / @DavidAmoyal)