The Next Manager?

[Jase 43,479]

23 hours ago, Fernando said:

Yeah but United make more money the City hence more buying power. World brand as well where players would rather come there then City.

United would have been by the far the easiest job me thinks.

(1) So what if United make more money than City? You talk as if City are owned by some stingy owner. This is a side who have spent billions to build a quality, competitive side over the years and last summer alone, they spent nearly 100m on just two players.

(2) Having a top class manager at a club is just as important as the brand of the club, if not more. With Guardiola, who is regarded by many as the world's best manager, now heading to City, you think they wouldn't be a strong attraction for players to join them? On top of that, United are neither here nor there at the moment. You have a clueless Ed Woodward running the club and and an equally clueless Van Gaal managing the team, a team who is playing dull football and getting nowhere near in challenging for the top honours. City have the better structure and squad to do that, as proved by the fact that they are still competing in all four competitions.

22 hours ago, Henrique said:

United have big money, biggest club in the world alongside Real Madrid, they are respected and they would survive if Guardiola was a failure. To other side, this is the chance City have to upgrade their status. Guardiola can't afford to be failure. City squad is good, but as I said, they are a joke in Europe, their PL record last season was average at best. If City job is as easy as you think, I wonder why they are not rulling PL for fun or doing great in Europe. City is way harder than Bayern job. 

Let's not exaggerate things here. Yes, this is the chance for City to get to the next level, to be really among the elites but even if Guardiola fails, which would seem unlikely, they would still be a top side in England and Europe. They won't just disappear from the map. You said United have big money. What about City? They don't? And sure, United are respected but let's not act if the squad is filled top class players because it isn't. They are a mess and you can practically count on one hand the number of top class players they have while the same thing can't be said about City, who have more and better quality players than United. City failing in Europe and doing average-ly in the Premier League has more gotta do with their current manager. Put someone Mourinho or even Fergie in charge of that, they would be dominating the league and even Europe because with the squad that they have, there's no way they should be inconsistent and giving other teams a chance to win trophies, especially domestically. You would be lying if you have never thought or said City have the best squad in England.

[Spike 12,049]

8 hours ago, manpe said:

Subjective. Football is entertainment for me, so it's not totally irrelevant, I would prefer somebody who doesn't bore me to sleep when speaking.

 

The manager talking isn't football, the manager talking is just an interview. The football his team plays is incredibly entertaining. 

[Fernando 6,454]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

(1) So what if United make more money than City? You talk as if City are owned by some stingy owner. This is a side who have spent billions to build a quality, competitive side over the years and last summer alone, they spent nearly 100m on just two players.

(2) Having a top class manager at a club is just as important as the brand of the club, if not more. With Guardiola, who is regarded by many as the world's best manager, now heading to City, you think they wouldn't be a strong attraction for players to join them? On top of that, United are neither here nor there at the moment. You have a clueless Ed Woodward running the club and and an equally clueless Van Gaal managing the team, a team who is playing dull football and getting nowhere near in challenging for the top honours. City have the better structure and squad to do that, as proved by the fact that they are still competing in all four competitions.

Let's not exaggerate things here. Yes, this is the chance for City to get to the next level, to be really among the elites but even if Guardiola fails, which would seem unlikely, they would still be a top side in England and Europe. They won't just disappear from the map. You said United have big money. What about City? They don't? And sure, United are respected but let's not act if the squad is filled top class players because it isn't. They are a mess and you can practically count on one hand the number of top class players they have while the same thing can't be said about City, who have more and better quality players than United. City failing in Europe and doing average-ly in the Premier League has more gotta do with their current manager. Put someone Mourinho or even Fergie in charge of that, they would be dominating the league and even Europe because with the squad that they have, there's no way they should be inconsistent and giving other teams a chance to win trophies, especially domestically. You would be lying if you have never thought or said City have the best squad in England.

Well you got look at the squad, and it ain't that great as Barcelona or Bayern.

Not to mention they will have to spend big to build a good defense and midfield. Apart from the their attack they need a lot of work in those other areas.

And your also talking like if City is going to spend 100m each transfer window. You still need to take into account that FFP are still there in europe and FA. United still holds the cards far above any other team because of the income they generate.

Now if you say that City makes money then so a lot of teams in the PL because of the TV money.

For me I still don't see the "easy job" your talking about. He needs to rebuild just like United and Chelsea need to do. The only easy job right now is Arsenal as they have a really competitive squad. If anyone is under performing is Wenger.

[Costa19 858]

42 minutes ago, Spike said:

 

The manager talking isn't football, the manager talking is just an interview. The football his team plays is incredibly entertaining. 

Hi Mate,

Can you to explain "incredibly entertaining"?

I dont watch City that much so im  curious why their football is so entertaining. 

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Well you got look at the squad, and it ain't that great as Barcelona or Bayern.

Who is comparing City with Barcelona or Bayern? In England alone, City clearly have the best squad compared to everyone else.

4 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Not to mention they will have to spend big to build a good defense and midfield. Apart from the their attack they need a lot of work in those other areas.

And your also talking like if City is going to spend 100m each transfer window. You still need to take into account that FFP are still there in europe and FA. United still holds the cards far above any other team because of the income they generate.

Sure, City probably need some tweaking with their squad but compare to United or even us, do you really need think Guardiola need to/would change that side much? United and us are more in need of a revamp than City and the latter's main problem is not with their squad. The main problem is with the players' mentality, making them put in consistent performances and play better as a unit. United and us need a change in the performance level and the squad depth as well as quality. United have more income means zilch because their squad is worse than City's. A manager would have a harder task in rebuilding that side than City And about the FFP, shouldn't act as if that is really a big threat. Only months ago, UEFA lifted some restrictions on the rules to help the likes of City, PSG etc and then look what they went on to do in the summer transfer window.

19 minutes ago, Fernando said:

For me I still don't see the "easy job" your talking about. He needs to rebuild just like United and Chelsea need to do. The only easy job right now is Arsenal as they have a really competitive squad. If anyone is undermining is Wenger.

Like I said, City need some tweaking with their squad but compare to United or us, that's nothing. Arsenal have a competitive squad? Pfft. Let's not as if their squad is anywhere near perfect. There's quite a lot of holes in that side, apart from their mental weakness.

[Spike 12,049]

5 minutes ago, Costa19 said:

Hi Mate,

Can you to explain "incredibly entertaining"?

I dont watch City that much so im  curious why their football is so entertaining. 

Because they pass the ball around well and score goals. They play with exuberant confidence they can smash any team 3-0. They don't always do that and that is fine but you've always got the feeling that ManCity can pull a ridiculous scoreline off.

 

Kinda like Chelsea in the 09/10 season, not invincible but on the day incredibly entertaining and fantastic.

[manpe 10,861]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

 

The manager talking isn't football, the manager talking is just an interview. The football his team plays is incredibly entertaining. 

But can he mind game? 

[Essien19 1,415]

Pellegrini is not a winner and he his underachieving big time.

Should be running away with a squad like that, his europeen record with City is embarrassing!

We should hire him if we don't want to win the league anytime soon, jeez some Arsenal fans want to replace Wenger with Mourinho, if we hire the Chilean we drop out of the competition.

It's as simple as that!

Maybe the board will do it, play some nice footy against some middle class teams and fuck up the big games.

[Cosmin 2,484]

6 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

 

Pellegrini is not a winner and he his underachieving big time.

Should be running away with a squad like that, his europeen record with City is embarrassing!

 

Underachieving? He overachieved big time with Villareal and Malaga. With City it's difficult. He got Barcelona last year in the UCL and his team did pretty good, but how could you eliminate last season's Barcelona? Guardiola should've been running away aswell with Bayern, but he didn't even get to play the UCL final. 

Your favourite got embarassed by a 10 men PSG squad...

[It's too big 625]

Well Pellegrini has also had to work around injuries to some of his key players such as Silva, Aguero, Kompany. You think we would have won the league last season if Costa, Terry and Hazard were injured? Man City also got drawn in tough groups and got drawn tough teams in the knockout rounds of the CL. Pellegrini has inside knowledge of City too, so would likely know his key players weaknesses and strengths to pass on when we play against them next season. He would have us playing flowing, attacking minded football and bring some kind of philosophy of a specific style of football, of which we all have been craving. 

[kmk108 1,186]

We like to make fun of City for underachieving in Europe, but when it comes down to it, they've had a tough go of it. It wasn't too long ago Pellegrini nearly knocked out Dortmund, who went to the final that season.

Pellegrini's first season, they won the title. Last season they came in second. This season is still up for grabs. If they win this season, would people really turn down the opportunity to hire a manager that's won 2 premier league titles and a second place finish? Even if they don't win the title this year, I'd rather hire a manager that's had success in this league than someone who's never been in the premier league. 

[TheIceMan 596]

Pellegrino to the bridge:

[It's too big 625]

Impressive given, like i mentioned previously, the injuries he had to key players. Mourinho was fortunate to have an injury free team for majority of his tenure here. 

[Shakez 755]

Bring him in i say. I would hate Conte because that would mean we will play the same style of Football as with Mourinho. Pellegrini's outlook towards positive football is in the same vein as Guus. Conte's style of play would destroy everything Guus is building now.

[Essien19 1,415]

45 minutes ago, Cosmin said:

Underachieving? He overachieved big time with Villareal and Malaga. With City it's difficult. He got Barcelona last year in the UCL and his team did pretty good, but how could you eliminate last season's Barcelona? Guardiola should've been running away aswell with Bayern, but he didn't even get to play the UCL final. 

Yes, Pellegrini played some nice stuff with the two Spanish clubs, but back in the day his game against Dortmund was winnable,
but here lies the problem, he doesn't know how to defend. It's always the same way; going gun ho, in the end you'll have nothing to cheer for.

You don't have a right to win things, but you should be competitive and learn from our mistakes.
It's not the first time Pellegrini got embarrassed in Europe, against the Spanish and German top dogs they didn't stand a chance over the years,
it's always been men against boys. He learns nothing, always playing the likes of Yaya and not playing it smart.
 

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Your favourite got embarassed by a 10 men PSG squad...

Sure, we scored two times and hold the advantage, the game went into injury time, but sure, that's an embarrassment.
What about Pellegrini, who loses the first game and it's as good as over?
Maybe we have a different understanding what embarrassing means, getting spanked 3:0 by Juventus Turin, that's a start, imo.

Guardiola made some stupid mistakes, going to Camp Nou and defend with a three line, forbid his players to clear the ball,
instead they have to pass, pass and again pass. That lead to the error from Bernat, he should have kicked the ball away.
Pep didn't stand a chance and that tarnishes his reputation, he isn't the man everyone thought he was, he is human afterall.
I never said that Guardiola should have been running away with it in Europe, i demand one thing: be competitive and that's a thing he couldn't do.
 

[Cosmin 2,484]

3 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Sure, we scored two times and hold the advantage, the game went into injury time, but sure, that's an embarrassment.
 

Dude, we were 11 vs. 10 for 75 mintues + Extra time... And he parked the bus. 

 

[Essien19 1,415]

5 minutes ago, Cosmin said:

Dude, we were 11 vs. 10 for 75 mintues + Extra time... And he parked the bus. 

 

So what?!
The game was close and we scored two times. In the end it was decided on the 'away goal rule'.
Always moaning about this or that, yes, i would have liked more initiative, but the game wasn't as bad as you made it out to be, at least that's my opinion.
You see it differently, so be it!
 

[Cosmin 2,484]

2 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

So what?!
The game was close and we scored two times. In the end it was decided on the 'away goal rule'.
Always moaning about this or that, yes, i would have liked more initiative, but the game wasn't as bad as you made it out to be, at least that's my opinion.
You see it differently, so be it!
 

Yes, but it's kind of weird to say that Pellegrini underachieved by not being able to eliminate Barcelona (even though he tried) and at the same time to defend by any means Mourinho, who was scared to seal the deal against a 10-men PSG team. That was a huge embarassement for us. If you don't believe me, go back to that game's thread. Or check the media. Or ask basically anyone. I am sorry, but I can't see how you can defend that.