Barbara 15,149 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I'm ambivalent about Iva to be honest. I was in the bandwagon when he was supporting our attack really. He continues to be useful there, but the exposition he keeps leaving behind is difficult to handle with. As I said a few pages ago it's impossible for him to be at the two places at the same time, but nothing forgives his sloppiness in the goal yesterday.If he's so essential in the set-pieces, maybe you guys defending him to replace Cahill in the CB may actually have a point. I just don't see Mourinho doing it at all. He's been a liability indeed, completely irresponsible and sloppy in the back. I'm surprised Mourinho pretends not to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Costa is decent in the air.Possibly, but how often has Mourinho played Iva as a CB? I don't think he'll do it. Only change would be in the FB positions, unless there is an injury.Because not moving Iva to CB means that we'll need to get TWO new CBs in the next two windows and only worsens our defensive troubles this season. iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myself 793 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Think he needs to be dropped after that performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakez 755 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 From God to peasant. The time when attackers attack and not defend and fullbacks sit back and hold tight is over. There is a little thing called overlapping. Just look at Bayern: Lahm and Alaba can play at the back, in the center, on the wings and in Alaba's case even in the friggin 10 position. Dave is well behind in that regard, seeïng a bombing fullback like Ivanovic this season was a welcomed sight to me because honestly the Premier League is getting stagnant with their views in how football should be played. Real, Barca, Dortmund, Bayern and Atletico are all currently a step ahead in that regard. Dion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I'm ambivalent about Iva to be honest. I was in the bandwagon when he was supporting our attack really. He continues to be useful there, but the exposition he keeps leaving behind is difficult to handle with. As I said a few pages ago it's impossible for him to be at the two places at the same time, but nothing forgives his sloppiness in the goal yesterday.The annoying part with Ivanovic is that we haven't conceded goals from counter attacking situations where he's been caught out too high up the pitch or something. Instead, they are when he's actually in the position to defend and do his job properly but then, he has bottled it with his poor concentration levels and decision making. 5 of the 8 goals we've conceded this season in all competitions have come from our right hand side and that should really tell us something about a problem there. kc_blue, Blue-in-me-Veins, The Skipper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'm ambivalent about Iva to be honest. I was in the bandwagon when he was supporting our attack really. He continues to be useful there, but the exposition he keeps leaving behind is difficult to handle with. As I said a few pages ago it's impossible for him to be at the two places at the same time, but nothing forgives his sloppiness in the goal yesterday.If he's so essential in the set-pieces, maybe you guys defending him to replace Cahill in the CB may actually have a point. I just don't see Mourinho doing it at all. He's been a liability indeed, completely irresponsible and sloppy in the back. I'm surprised Mourinho pretends not to see it.This forum is amazing...the way how people change opinions is unbelievable. Last time he was best fullback in the world, but after one game, people point he should be dropped/switch position etc..Barb, this isnt pointing at you only, afterall you admited it and put on the reasons, but there are people out here who change opinon from best to worst literaly every game.And concerning set pieces, Costa and Matic should fucking work on that. They have height and it should be normal to for them to present a danger, but while Costa does it decently, Matic is missing every damn time when we could use a tall man in box. DYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 This forum is amazing...the way how people change opinions is unbelievable. Last time he was best fullback in the world, but after one game, people point he should be dropped/switch position etc..Barb, this isnt pointing at you only, afterall you admited it and put on the reasons, but there are people out here who change opinon from best to worst literaly every game.And concerning set pieces, Costa and Matic should fucking work on that. They have height and it should be normal to for them to present a danger, but while Costa does it decently, Matic is missing every damn time when we could use a tall man in box.I'm saying I'm ambivalent about him. At one hand he's the best we have supporting the attack, but at the same time he's been sloppy in defense. I hasn't paid close attention to his mistakes, but after someone pointed them out, I've checked them.He's been a little sloppy and it has little to do with with him being caught out of position attacking. He was caught a few times in this situation and somehow we handled. It were the times we were actually in the back that he came short.Also I admitted jumping into the bandwagon, so if anything, I'm admitting a previous mistake. I'm a bit more sober about him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeholiday 209 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Brana has transformed himself to Paulo Ferreira... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 It seems that the aim is to play with a right attacker who naturally cuts inside most times with a RB overlapping. This overloads the attack. Defensively Iva has akways dropped more central to his CB, even Dave naturally does it too, that's why we are one of the best at parking the bus. We end up having 4 CB's with our wingers back as fullbacks. Then it is for the pivot and number 10 to shield the middle, problems arrive when the wingers lack concentration, or the distance between a tucked in Iva and the defending right winger is large, providing dangerous space as Man city showed. Jose was not in charge for our reserves reaction when we went 1-0 up, it was just a natural tendency from our fullbacks to tuck in, rather than spread out wide and push up slightly, with the CB's spreaded too. Man city, arsenal, you name it play that way because it makes the pitch bigger and helps possession. This is what we need to do, Luis is capable but i don't think Iva it to a lesser degree out centre backs are capable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabHazard 655 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 even if he is going to put bad performance ..he is not going to be dropped...mourinho likes him so much..he is the untouchable in the team.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myself 793 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Ivanovic is a better crosser of the ball than Dani Alves.what i meant to say was that dani alves is massively over rated Edited September 30, 2014 by Myself iseah100 and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Because not moving Iva to CB means that we'll need to get TWO new CBs in the next two windows and only worsens our defensive troubles this season. Which will leave us with Azpi and Luis as our only fullbacks unless Ake is ready for a major squad role. We have imo made a mistake coming in the season with 5 defenders then teenagers, but we have a top medical team so hopefully it won't come back to bite us. CHOULO19 and Myself 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Which will leave us with Azpi and Luis as our only fullbacks unless Ake is ready for a major squad role. We have imo made a mistake coming in the season with 5 defenders then teenagers, but we have a top medical team so hopefully it won't come back to bite us.We took the same chance in the second half of last season and I thought we were playing with fire. Hope we can get away with it again. Two injuries to defenders and we're screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChelseaDane 48 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I have a hard time seeing Mou dropping Brana. I think that Mou sees him as one of the first on the starting XI. Brana has been in the team so many years now, and is an absolutely vital part of the team. His presence on the pitch is invaluable. Furthermore he is a vital part of the locker room as well.Luis is a great player and great signing as well, but the way the team is playing in the Prem at the moment, why should we change the back 4? Dave is so trustworthy. He never plays a bad game, and always fights 100% - even though he is not playing his natural position! Luis will get his changes, and be more and more integrated in the starting XI during the season, and become a first team regular, no doubt about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Why should jose "drop" iva?In the last 3 matches we have playedAzpi-luis - boltonIva-azpi - villaIva-luis - lisbonHe is rotating our FBs well. Plus except for the city match, iva has been GREAT. Last season people were cribbing about his offensive contribution but now that he has a target to cross to and in general has been freat offensively, they are knit picking on a couple of defenaive errors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Was terrible again defensively yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 The annoying part with Ivanovic is that we haven't conceded goals from counter attacking situations where he's been caught out too high up the pitch or something. Instead, they are when he's actually in the position to defend and do his job properly but then, he has bottled it with his poor concentration levels and decision making. 5 of the 8 goals we've conceded this season in all competitions have come from our right hand side and that should really tell us something about a problem there.Yes 5 of the 8 goals we have conceded may have come from the right but its not always Ivanovic's fault. Some were but you can't always look to blame the right back who is normally up past the half way line as most of the time we are playing in the oppositions half. I am not Ivanovic's biggest fan some times but he has been pretty good so far this season, sometimes mistakes we are making with possession of the ball higher up the park lead to teams countering against us and exposing the right hand side because he's so advanced to support the attack. Also I think SeB said this a lot before that Cahill isn't the best at covering his full back which certainly doesn't help at times too or having certain wingers losing their man (Schurrle losing and not tracking Milner v City). I am not leaping to Branna's defense, no way, he has had some bad moments in goals we have conceded but 5 of those 8 we have conceded are not all his fault. The thing is if you make a mistake as a defender its more likely to cost the team than as a winger, central midfielder, #10 or striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Gilvorak 3,734 Posted October 5, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted October 5, 2014 He completely destroyed Alexis today lol. Unbelievable performance. MrExcalibur100, Blue Armour, Ainsley Harriott and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kellzfresh 7,229 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Best defensive performance of the season so far. Had Sanchez in his pocket Barbara and Gilvorak 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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