Graham Potter Thread

[lucio 5,418]

  On 13/01/2023 at 10:16, YorkshireBlue said:

Zidane won't come no chance, and Enrique? 800 passes per game in our own half? For a start we haven't even got the players to play his shitty ticky tacky football.

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His Barcelona team was fairly direct 

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  On 13/01/2023 at 10:19, YorkshireBlue said:

I'm not ignoring them I simply haven't read them, generally when post are that long it's full of absolute dribble, so I don't bother to read it all, nothing against you like. If it makes you feel better I haven't read one of vespers long post in like 5 years 🤣

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If you think this is a reason to brag about, up to You mate. 

I understand you like Potter and will deny him being incompetent deer in headlights for dear life, that your right. The audacity to call any honoured manager's football "shitty" while we have Potter and probably we wouldn't do worse against Fulham and Forrest if players were just told to freestyle does it for me. 

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  On 13/01/2023 at 10:07, gdlk said:

Theres something strange in training.. I dont know what they do but half team is injured, rest cant stop a ball or cant make simple pass with one touch.. 

We made Havertz from technical gifted player into wood who cant control ball lol. If you dont belive just watch his matches with Leverkusen.. 

I think they dont train technical exercises at all.. 

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It is possible that training has been persistently subpar or a LONG time, given that we played so many games - didn't we play the most or close to the most out of any team in the world in the last year or two? It is quite likely that a lot of stuff that our coaches have wanted to do over the last couple of years has been impossible due to this. No doubt also played a part in our injury crisis.

I am kind of hoping we have no European football next year whatsoever, maybe everyone will say I am crazy, but I remember in Conte's title winning year what a massive difference it made. 

I woke up with the opinion we may as well stick with Potter for now. Club should set a target finishing position with him and if he can't reach it with the lads we're buying in January and the ones we already have then sack him end of season. Feel like another manager right now will have the same problems and still struggle awfully and essentially not be setup for success, would be the beginning of a potentially great journey if they come in with our squad mostly fit at the time.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Mhsc

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I really do want us to stick with him but I'm sorry as each passing result goes by something is going to give here.

Simply put with the injuries and coupled with the players that have completely chucked it.

The transfers of previous seasons also have a lot to answer for as the purchases have been nothing short of pathetic.

 

 

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  On 13/01/2023 at 10:30, Mhsc said:

It is possible that training has been persistently subpar or a LONG time, given that we played so many games - didn't we play the most or close to the most out of any team in the world in the last year or two? It is quite likely that a lot of stuff that our coaches have wanted to do over the last couple of years has been impossible due to this. No doubt also played a part in our injury crisis.

I am kind of hoping we have no European football next year whatsoever, maybe everyone will say I am crazy, but I remember in Conte's title winning year what a massive difference it made. 

I woke up with the opinion we may as well stick with Potter for now. Club should set a target finishing position with him and if he can't reach it with the lads we're buying in January and the ones we already have then sack him end of season. Feel like another manager right now will have the same problems and still struggle awfully and essentially not be setup or success, would be the beginning of a potentially great journey if they come in with our squad mostly fit at the time.

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Just get a caretaker then , anything over potter 

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The celebrity physio firm stuff stinks and is not scrutinized enough. Also, just after takeover it was announced the "best American staff experienced in sports will join". Is it those guys?

Anyway, yesterday we couldn't place a precise pass, it's not something PL players will forget how to do after not dribbling with cones for 3 months. They are just unable to anticipate what their collegues will do, despite fielding same players all the time. So we lack precise tactical Instructions or knowledge of them. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Vegetable

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  On 13/01/2023 at 05:39, Tomo said:

There's literally a huge list of top class players who have joined clubs without UCL, including our very own Kante and Ronaldinho on three separate occasions. Infact we've already got one coming despite a likely UCL miss.

It's an urban myth players can't be attracted without UCL football, especially at the start when you can play the one off card.

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I don’t think we will attract anybody who is top class though particularly with GP as manager. For instance with Kante, I think if we didn't have Conte as manager and had a lesser known/average coach in it would of been a different story. Plus again, we were the only ones willing to pay Leicesters asking price apparently. Arsenal toiled as they were interested. Maybe we will get some top players in but I am doubtful, more so than ever, just seems to be a real mess on and off the park. 

For example, its not like Enzo Fernandez is going to come here in the summer, is it? Yes there may be some good buy’s available perhaps but lets not pretend that there won’t be other big clubs in for players, particularly now for midfield players ie. City, Liverpool and Real Madrid and again, the hardest position to buy players, upfront. 

We’re probably gonna have to make some smart buys this summer because we will be out of the running for the top top players I’d think. Particularly if Newcastle manage to keep their performances up and finish in Europe their project will also be interesting and seen as a springboard for a lot of young/semi established players trying to make the next step also. It’ll certainly be interesting and whilst the clu had some pulling power whilst in the EL and with no European football under Roman, I think it will be different with Todd Boehly in all honesty. 

I would of thought Nkunku would of been signing here under the impression we’d be playing CL football. Thats my thoughts on it anyway.

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  On 13/01/2023 at 10:28, Vegetable said:

If you think this is a reason to brag about, up to You mate. 

I understand you like Potter and will deny him being incompetent deer in headlights for dear life, that your right. The audacity to call any honoured manager's football "shitty" while we have Potter and probably we wouldn't do worse against Fulham and Forrest if players were just told to freestyle does it for me. 

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Brag? Wtf u on bruv 

And second this isn't about me liking potter or disliking potter, this is actually more about you not like potter, my point is this club has to change, the change will be hard we will lose games, but the hiring and firing managers will not work anymore, the quick fix will not work against the solid teams man city Liverpool have made, Newcastle are well on their way so are man utd, and arsenal speaks for its self, the actual problem is we have jumped on this band wagon far to late, now it's our turn to build from the ground up every team around us has already done this and it shows in their play. But let's sack the manager in January transfer window, miss out on targets for a style of play the managers needs and on top of that pay him 60 million to leave! What a bright idea that is.

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

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  On 13/01/2023 at 11:02, OneMoSalah said:

I don’t think we will attract anybody who is top class though particularly with GP as manager. For instance with Kante, I think if we didn't have Conte as manager and had a lesser known/average coach in it would of been a different story. Plus again, we were the only ones willing to pay Leicesters asking price apparently. Arsenal toiled as they were interested. Maybe we will get some top players in but I am doubtful, more so than ever, just seems to be a real mess on and off the park. 

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Even if that was true attracting a manager of that calibre while out of UCL further proves my point if anything.

  On 13/01/2023 at 11:02, OneMoSalah said:

 For example, its not like Enzo Fernandez is going to come here in the summer, is it?

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Probably not, but that would still likely be the case even if we somehow recover UCL football for next season.

This month however we actually convinced him but things fell apart for other reasons.

  On 13/01/2023 at 11:02, OneMoSalah said:

Yes there may be some good buy’s available perhaps but lets not pretend that there won’t be other big clubs in for players, particularly now for midfield players ie. City, Liverpool and Real Madrid and again, the hardest position to buy players, upfront. 

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Yes, and as I alluded to above even with UCL football we will fine it incredibly hard to beat those teams to players. Haaland didn't look twice at us even after we won the thing.

  On 13/01/2023 at 11:02, OneMoSalah said:

I would of thought Nkunku would of been signing here under the impression we’d be playing CL football. Thats my thoughts on it anyway.

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Romano has given it a here we go at a point our UCL football was in serious jeopardy.

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I miss Tuchel. I don't think we would have done any worse with him. And with TT at least you knew what he was thinking on the touchline, but whenever they show Potter he looks so lost... Inspires no confidence at all.

[Johnnyeye 7,472]

Unless Potter conjures up some magic spell out of his ass and makes the team perform better i just don’t see anything to be positive about him. Right now the club is cursed, down to injuries, performances and morale. I don’t know what kind of juju the club is under right now, but it’s something out of a horror movie.

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  On 12/01/2023 at 22:33, NikkiCFC said:

I don't see a point to sack him now. Season is over except CL. All PL games for the remaining of the season are glorified friendlies. No chance for Europe and we won't get relegated. Position in between does not matter. 

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Exactly. Im somewhat hoping for a Conte 2017 situation next year. Full preseason, no international football, means 1 game per week, means fewer injuries (hopefully), more time to tactically prepare for the opponent. I would give him at least till October. There is nothing to rescue in this season, so any manager that would come in now would get wasted.  

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  On 12/01/2023 at 23:15, OneMoSalah said:

I don’t think people understand, if we finish outside the top 8, we aren’t signing any top players in the summer. Nada. Zilch. Because they will all go somewhere else for the CL/to compete for trophies.

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After we finished 10th 2016, we signed Ngolo Kante.  

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  On 13/01/2023 at 01:52, Vytis33 said:

Pep backed Potter let's not forget that.  I'm sure he had our best interest in mind...

 

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Pep also told Arsenal fans to have patience with Arteta and that he will become good. Ig some gooners were laughing back then as well. 

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Todd Boehly brutally sacked long-term Chelsea physio over Zoom, ditched medical director in staff cull and failed to fix injury-prone squad – how much of Blues crisis is bad luck?

https://talksport.com/football/1301784/

Chelsea manager Graham Potter truly cannot catch a break.

Two minutes at Craven Cottage on Thursday night summed up his lack of luck quite brilliantly.

With the Blues back on level terms and dominating, Denis Zakaria became the latest addition to a long, long injury list in the 56th minute.

Moments later, a moment of madness from new loan signing Joao Felix resulted in a straight red card on his debut.

Just like that, Potter was without two more key players, with Felix to miss the next three games as Chelsea wait to discover the full extent of Zakaria’s thigh problem.

Potter’s opportunity to turn things around vanished and Fulham went on to inflict a seventh defeat in the Blues’ last ten matches.

The irony is that Felix was rushed into the starting XI because of all the players missing – and perhaps that lack of time to climatize contributed to his rash challenge.

Having agreed to cover 100 per cent of his £250,000 wages, along with a £10million loan fee to Atletico Madrid for a five-month deal, Felix’s suspension will cost Chelsea around £3m.

It all begs the question: at what point does this stop being bad luck and, instead, point to more systematic failings?

Chelsea co-owner Todd Boehly, who took over in May, has spent more than £300million on players – and the Blues are currently tenth.

Having acted as interim director of football, the American billionaire has assembled a squad of players who don’t fit and get injured all the time.

While the sheer extent of Chelsea’s injury problems is unfortunate, how many games can players like Reece James, Ben Chilwell, N’Golo Kante, Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Wesley Fofana be expected to play in a season, given their records?

Despite the spending spree, the Blues do not have a squad they can depend on to survive a rigorous domestic campaign. Their most reliable player, in terms of fitness, is 38-year-old Thiago Silva.

Is it just wild coincidence that such terrible recruitment and an unprecedented injury crisis occur the season after Boehly culled the long-term staff who took care of these things?

While the departures of Bruce Buck, Marina Granovskaia and Petr Cech dominated headlines, the medical team was also dismantled.

Head physiotherapist Thierry Laurent was reportedly sacked on a short Zoom call after 17 years at the club.

Meanwhile, the club’s medical director Dr Paco Biosca was also given his marching orders after 11 years at Stamford Bridge.

The biggest casualty, of course, was manager Thomas Tuchel – another decision which looks increasingly curious by the day.

Could they have prevented any of this? Maybe not.

But Boehly made this target for his back by ripping up successful, pre-existing methods and insisting his were better. With that comes responsibility when it all goes to pot.

[Special Juan 27,622]

Machine gun approach from Boehly.

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