Graham Potter Thread

[Tomo 21,733]

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I don’t think people understand, if we finish outside the top 8, we aren’t signing any top players in the summer. Nada. Zilch. Because they will all go somewhere else for the CL/to compete for trophies.

There's literally a huge list of top class players who have joined clubs without UCL, including our very own Kante and Ronaldinho on three separate occasions. Infact we've already got one coming despite a likely UCL miss.

It's an urban myth players can't be attracted without UCL football, especially at the start when you can play the one off card.

[lucio 5,418]

13 minutes ago, Tomo said:

There's literally a huge list of top class players who have joined clubs without UCL, including our very own Kante and Ronaldinho on three separate occasions. Infact we've already got one coming despite a likely UCL miss.

It's an urban myth players can't be attracted without UCL football, especially at the start when you can play the one off card.

Wont be able to play the one off card until we have a respectable coach 

[Tomo 21,733]

17 minutes ago, lucio said:

Wont be able to play the one off card until we have a respectable coach 

[Johnnyeye 7,441]

the supporters need to make themselves heard, this circus can’t be allowed to continue, it’s beyond pathetic now.

[Antonio8 736]

It's difficult to judge a coach for few months of work with 10 injured players. But he has to do something, can't continue this way 

 

 

[Vesper 28,826]

Chelsea owner Todd Boehly has four options to replace Graham Potter if sacking happens

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1720659/Chelsea-news-Todd-Boehly-Graham-Potter-sack-Premier-League-Fulham

 

Poch

Enrique

ZZ (he will never come here)

and

Tuchel 

 

[Special Juan 27,429]

If he somehow survives today and we lose to Palace he's gone and it's either Poch or Enrique

[Vegetable 830]

9 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

And that's why your a typical throw away Chelsea fan, not even managed half a season of change, can't even bring urself to have 1 bad season for potentially the greater good, typical Roman era fan I want now now now.

I do understand discussions can get heated late at night, but let's say it this way: I often see, esp. on this board, people tend to place equal sign between acceptance of team rebuild (and noticing the urgent need for this) and acceptance of Potter in particular and/or ridiculous Owner's moves in terms of transfers, staffing and organization. While this looks like convenient argument to make, I think it's big mistake or misunderstanding. Those things doesn't necessarily come in packet. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Vegetable

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

7 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I do understand discussions can get heated late at night, but let's say it this way: I often see, esp. on this board, people tend to place equal sign between acceptance of team rebuild (and noticing the urgent need for this) and acceptance of Potter in particular and/or ridiculous Owner's moves in terms of transfers, staffing and organization. While this looks like convenient argument to make, I think it's big mistake or misunderstanding. Those things doesn't necessarily come in packet. 

Rebuild you need transfer windows, he's had like 10 injury's and January as just opened, easy to get mad at bad results, this club needs to change and I believe it will do

[Vegetable 830]

27 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Rebuild you need transfer windows, he's had like 10 injury's and January as just opened, easy to get mad at bad results, this club needs to change and I believe it will do

I do not care for results as much as I do care for Potter's credibility and personality or rather lack of them.

Rebuild done by serial winner or at least elite-tier guy is fine, we know what we can expect and we know what manager is capable (or what potential he has).

And what kind of success do we expect from Potter? To even maintain mediocre level of success that Chelsea regularly achieves in last 20 years, Potter would have to already go way beyond everything he already "achieved". Is he even capable of winning silverware in elite football at all? I'm not sure, to put it mildly. He could do well as part of coaching staff or assistant with his supposed talents no doubt, but he is way out of his depth here.

Not even want to go about the main arguments for his appointment seem to be a) his nationality, what is ridiculous for me in XXI century and b) ability to make Brighton to play Brighton level (apparently some people like to think he achieved Leicester's winning season level of success, well, nope).

Among all the excuses for him there's that "his players" and transfer window stuff - well, it's fine when a manager has his favorite FIFA squad in team and everything works in his favor, but that rarely happens in real life. Manager also has to do good with what he has available. If a manager always has some excuse in his way to perform on at least a decent level then he's just no manager at all. Remember Sarri? He didn't even care much about who comes, who leaves and who is injured.

It's not the matter we are losing, because in football you lose. Fact is we are playing horribly and the manger has no clue what to do with this and looks like a spectator, with occasional ridiculous or pathetic thought to share during the press conference. All players are in decline, new players are in decline, our tactics is bland and doesn't seem to utilize our strengths in any innovative way, morale is terrible. For Fans to tolerate this for next 6 months because poor Potter doesn't have the players he like (and people seem to be in denial to understand he may actually never get them) is just beyond absurd for me. 

Players not performing? Kick them in arse, motivate them, send them to U21, coax or criticize, find tactic that works for them or develop like TT did with Rudi. That's managers main job for god's sake!

Yet I feel all this was said here for millions of times already. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Vegetable

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

Name a serial winner manager available right now? And don't say TT because that ship has sailed and partly the reason we are where we are.

[Vegetable 830]

2 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Name a serial winner manager available right now? And don't say TT because that ship has sailed and partly the reason we are where we are.

If we are about to ignore all the arguments and play with convenient absurd, fine - Given our current situation, I'm fine with this guy, he won't do worse:  

[lucio 5,418]

4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Name a serial winner manager available right now? And don't say TT because that ship has sailed and partly the reason we are where we are.

Zidane and enrique are supposedly available

[gdlk 272]

Theres something strange in training.. I dont know what they do but half team is injured, rest cant stop a ball or cant make simple pass with one touch.. 

We made Havertz from technical gifted player into wood who cant control ball lol. If you dont belive just watch his matches with Leverkusen.. 

I think they dont train technical exercises at all.. 

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, gdlk said:

Theres something strange in training.. I dont know what they do but half team is injured, rest cant stop a ball or cant make simple pass with one touch.. 

We made Havertz from technical gifted player into wood who cant control ball lol. If you dont belive just watch his matches with Leverkusen.. 

I think they dont train technical exercises at all.. 

Felix will be a donkey after a few months at Chelsea 

[gdlk 272]

Someone have to tell english managers football isnt only running but there is also technical and tactical exercises.. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

21 minutes ago, lucio said:

Zidane and enrique are supposedly available

Zidane won't come no chance, and Enrique? 800 passes per game in our own half? For a start we haven't even got the players to play his shitty ticky tacky football.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

23 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

If we are about to ignore all the arguments and play with convenient absurd, fine - Given our current situation, I'm fine with this guy, he won't do worse:  

I'm not ignoring them I simply haven't read them, generally when post are that long it's full of absolute dribble, so I don't bother to read it all, nothing against you like. If it makes you feel better I haven't read one of vespers long post in like 5 years 🤣