Chelsea Transfers

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

10 minutes ago, Vesper said:

 

Well if Sheva likes him....

I guess he is one for the U23.

IMO we definitely should prioritize a proven but not too old CB.

Midfielder I would be fine with either Tchouameni or Rice. Obviously I would let go of Jorginho and sign a more technical DM but if TT trusts him and insists on keeping him, we can work with one of those guys.

Striker I am really not that keen on any of the prospective signings. With Kane and Haaland unattainable we should not overspend on a 2nd rate option. Also Tammy should be kept as a squad player IMO if he is happy to play that role.

We need a huge squad next season. Even bigger than for this one. The schedule will be an absolute abomination. This is why I see it critical if we really only want to sign 2-3 players (obviously TT isn ot gonna reveal our real plans). So if Tammy, Giroud, Emerson and Alonso leave which is all probable, we should sign at least 4 players even if not in their specific positions.

Edited May 30, 2021 by Magic Lamps

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

For me Tielemans and Locatelli would be first 2 MF options ahead of Rice and Tchouameni.

[King Kante 1,643]

17 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Well if Sheva likes him....

I guess he is one for the U23.

IMO we definitely should prioritize a proven but not too old CB.

Midfielder I would be fine with either Tchouameni or Rice. Obviously I would let go of Jorginho and sign a more technical DM but if TT trusts him and insists on keeping him, we can work with one of those guys.

Striker I am really not that keen on any of the prospective signings. With Kane and Haaland unattainable we should not overspend on a 2nd rate option. Also Tammy should be kept as a squad player IMO if he is happy to play that role.

We need a huge squad next season. Even bigger than for this one. The schedule will be an absolute abomination. This is why I see it critical if we really only want to sign 2-3 players (obviously TT isn ot gonna reveal our real plans). So if Tammy, Giroud, Emerson and Alonso leave which is all probable, we should sign at least 4 players even if not in their specific positions.

One of Alonso or Emerson will stay imo. Most likely Alonso. 

[Pizy 18,953]

Really not sure why we’d be after any defenders at all. We’re pretty set there. Striker and cover for Kante are our only real needs. We definitely don’t need a new CB as I’ve seen lots of rumors about.

As for Lukaku, again I’d be happy if we ended up with him but I hope we at least kick the tires on Kane and Haaland. If both of those are impossible Lukaku is a great fallback.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Really not sure why we’d be after any defenders at all. We’re pretty set there. Striker and cover for Kante are our only real needs. We definitely don’t need a new CB as I’ve seen lots of rumors about.

As for Lukaku, again I’d be happy if we ended up with him but I hope we at least kick the tires on Kane and Haaland. If both of those are impossible Lukaku is a great fallback.

Thiago is not getting any younger, we saw again that his body is failing him more and more. I dont think he can play more than 30 games next season. Azpi is in the twilight zone too. This leaves us with 3 physically pristine CBs, one of which TT does not fully trust. So we need at least one more.

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

3 minutes ago, King Kante said:

One of Alonso or Emerson will stay imo. Most likely Alonso. 

Yes, Emerson has one year left on contract, Alonso two. Plus Alonso is older and happy with salary so he has no interest to leave.

Emerson played best season in his career under Spalletti so I expect him to go after him now when he is in Napoli.

[King Kante 1,643]

9 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Really not sure why we’d be after any defenders at all. We’re pretty set there. Striker and cover for Kante are our only real needs. We definitely don’t need a new CB as I’ve seen lots of rumors about.

As for Lukaku, again I’d be happy if we ended up with him but I hope we at least kick the tires on Kane and Haaland. If both of those are impossible Lukaku is a great fallback.

I hope we don't get Lukaku, people are just looking at his stats. His first touch is still as bad as Jimmy Saville's. 

As for positions. I would say; CF, CM, RWB and GK2 in that order. 

[King Kante 1,643]

9 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Yes, Emerson has one year left on contract, Alonso two. Plus Alonso is older and happy with salary so he has no interest to leave.

Emerson played best season in his career under Spalletti so I expect him to go after him now when he is in Napoli.

See Napoli only wanting him on loan. Oh well, at least at the end of next season we should be able to see the back of: Batsh*t, Baka, Zappa, Emerson and Drinky. 

As for Alonso, he is fine for the domestic cup games and bottom half if the league when we have the ball. Even against decent sides, as long as they aren't too fast he is serviceable so I do not see any need to mess about with LWB (unless TT is planning to move to a back 4.) 

Edited May 30, 2021 by King Kante

[Pizy 18,953]

5 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Thiago is not getting any younger, we saw again that his body is failing him more and more. I dont think he can play more than 30 games next season. Azpi is in the twilight zone too. This leaves us with 3 physically pristine CBs, one of which TT does not fully trust. So we need at least one more.

As we’ve also seen, when Thiago is out AC or Zouma can step in and adequately cover for him. Or Azpi if we’re desperate. Spending big this summer on a CB would be a waste I think. Wait until this time next summer when Silva leaves.

3 minutes ago, King Kante said:

I hope we don't get Lukaku, people are just looking at his stats. His first touch is still as bad as Jimmy Saville's. 

As for positions. I would say; CF, CM, RWB and GK2 in that order. 

Do we truly need a silky playmaker up front or just a dude who will put the chances away that we always create? Having a striker who is a baller technically would be nice but there really isn’t one out there that’s top class and available.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

As we’ve also seen, when Thiago is out AC or Zouma can step in and adequately cover for him. Or Azpi if we’re desperate. Spending big this summer on a CB would be a waste I think. Wait until this time next summer when Silva leaves.

Do we truly need a silky playmaker up front or just a dude who will put the chances away that we always create? Having a striker who is a baller technically would be nice but there really isn’t one out there that’s top class and available.

Yes exactly. and who covers for them? Azpi and Thiago will have to sit out more games completely next season. Especially over a 60+ game season which awaits us. Zouma and AC will come in which leaves no CB on the bench. We would have to make this up with players from the youth team. Look at how Liverpool collapsed after they lost 2 of their main CBs. No one talked about big money signings. 30m is pocket change for us but it can land us a young, quality CB like Lacroix or Caleta-Car

[Vesper 30,226]

1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

Well if Sheva likes him....

I guess he is one for the U23.

IMO we definitely should prioritize a proven but not too old CB.

Midfielder I would be fine with either Tchouameni or Rice. Obviously I would let go of Jorginho and sign a more technical DM but if TT trusts him and insists on keeping him, we can work with one of those guys.

Striker I am really not that keen on any of the prospective signings. With Kane and Haaland unattainable we should not overspend on a 2nd rate option. Also Tammy should be kept as a squad player IMO if he is happy to play that role.

We need a huge squad next season. Even bigger than for this one. The schedule will be an absolute abomination. This is why I see it critical if we really only want to sign 2-3 players (obviously TT isn ot gonna reveal our real plans). So if Tammy, Giroud, Emerson and Alonso leave which is all probable, we should sign at least 4 players even if not in their specific positions.

if roman really is talking about £200m net spend

go hardest of the hard

Mbappe (for CF and winger, as needed) he is perfect for the Tuchel system, arguably better than Kane and Håland in terms of fit, although Håland would be superb as well and offers things Mbappe does not do as well (aerial game especially)

Camavinga (can play anywhere in MF plus even at wing in a pinch)

Varane (Real will cut a deal for sure, as he leaves on a free next summer)

we have just SHITLOADS of surplus to sell, so we can easily dump enough to cover the cost and keep it at 200m net even in thsi market

I am dead serious

Mbappe always wanted to play here, we fucked up on his trial

Camavinga can learn from Kante

Varane knows we are the better team, we smashed them already

French Connection

we already have (a couple may leave) Francophones in

Kante

Giroud

Zouma

Mendy

Thiago Silva speaks fluent French

Ziyech (marginally) and Azpi (fluent) speak it as well

so do peripheral/loaned out players like Bats, Musonda, Bakayoko, Malang Sarr, Pierre Ekwah

 

Aurélien Tchouaméni is French as well, if somehow we could pull him in as well

Camavinga and Tchou as a double pivot in a couple years (when Kante slows down) is terrifying

Edited May 30, 2021 by Vesper

[Blues Forever 1,232]

2 hours ago, Jas said:

Summary:

- Tuchel targeting a striker, midfielder and at least one defender, which includes a right-sided player to provide better balance

- Adama Traore believed to be a target of Tuchel for the RWB role (Traore? WTF!?)

- Either Traore or a similar player like Hofmann would also help provide cover in wide areas with Ziyech due to play at AFCON next year

- Remains to be seen whether the club can negotiate a deal for Tuchel's top midfield target Rice. Tchouameni is a cheaper alternative but Tuchel will prioritize quality

- Tuchel doesn't see the need for many additions. Said "Two or three could be very, very good". Also wants to focus on improving the current group of players and not steal opportunities away from them

- Club expected to sell Tomori and willing to listen to offers of £40 million for Abraham

Tuchel always had some odd signings historically, the links of Traore and Hofmann are bit worriying.

[Superblue 6,372]

I'm struggling to decide what I think we should do with our attacking options.

For me Havertz looks like his best position is that false 9. It suits his game to drift and find space, he's shown a huge willingness and improvement to press from the front in recent months and his size and technique make him a perfect foil for the other attackers, whilst still have the pace himself to hurt teams. 

He's had two real stand out games now in the second leg against Madrid, and then last night's final playing that role pretty much perfectly.

I do expect him to kick on next season, full of confidence after this and especially if he can stay fit as I think he'll play regularly.

How much of that goal scoring void he can fill though I'm not sure. I think he's capable of chipping in 12 - 15 goals in the league and maybe pushing up towards around 20 in all competitions. 

I've mentioned previously that a realistic increase in goals from all of the front players could put us in a position where we don't need a 20+ goal scorer and instead become a bigger danger because we're not so reliant on one player. If Havertz and Werner could get 12 - 15 goals and Ziyech, Mount and Pulisic could all chip in with 8 - 10 we'd be in a position I believe to challenge for the title. We'd also then have more flexibility in attacking targets as Tuchel can look at another option which maybe fits the dynamic better but can complement the group with similar goal numbers to above (maybe someone like Sancho). Compared to say someone like Lukaku who will score goals but would it be to the overall detriment of the team if his all round play doesn't suit? 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

7 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Tuchel always had some odd signings historically, the links of Traore and Hofmann are bit worriying.

I am worried about that as well. Traore as a back up for RJ sounds at least remotely like an ok idea if he can be got at a decent price.

Hofmann would be an absolute clusterfuck. Old, slow and bang average. No idea what he wants with that guy.

As you said, TT likes his weird signings. At Dortmund I always thought it was a bit bc they did not have that much cash to spend back then and at PSG his signings improved slightly but he loves to sign players who are intelligent, mature characters, hard workers who completely buy in his philosophy but often do not have the necessary talent. Take Bartra and Weigl for example (the latter not a signing ofc) absolute bang average players but decent enough characters and surely intelligent, tactically apt players with 0 individual quality on a technical and physical level. Luckily, there are guys like Petr at the club who also have a say in transfers. Maybe we should just use Lampard's list and continue to cross off names there. Probably all English players but honestly, not many nations currently have the amount of talented youngsters as good old England right now.

[Vesper 30,226]

Just now, Blues Forever said:

Tuchel always had some odd signings historically, the links of Traore and Hofmann are bit worriying.

I so hope we do not buy either

not Chels quality

and Hofmann turns 30 near the beginning of next summer, so is absolute dead money (besides not good enough)

Adama Traoré had a horrid year

his 3 goals (just 2 in the EPL, ad NONE until mid-April ffs) were against Fulham, Brighton, and Palace

smdh

by all means, let's get a winger who went 7 months with no league goals 🤬

[Syltherin 25]

if the budget was really £200m, then this is my list :

1. Pure ST : either Kane or Lukaku = max. £100m

2. DM : Tchoeumani or Kamara or Bissouma = max £60m

3. CB : Bastoni or Lacroix = max £40m

4. LW : Sancho = max £80m (if we can't get ST target)

ofc,,we must sell half of the deadwood or player that hasn't much gametime this season :

1. Tammy = £40m

2. Tomori = £25m

3. Zouma = £30m (even tuchel didn't trust him at the back 3)

4. Jorginho = £40m (he'll turn 30 on december 2021, if we're really give long contract on Kante, we can't have 2 Old MF in this time. so this is time to sell jorgi)

5. Barkley = £20m

6. RLC = £20m 

7. half of deadwood (Batshuayi, zapacosta, bakayoko, drinkwater, kenedy, victor moses) = it's lucky when we can get £50m for all of them

8. Ampadu = let see in pre-season if he can impress tuchel aswell,,other that we can release him for £20m 

Total sell = minimum £150m

 

[Vesper 30,226]

1 hour ago, Syltherin said:

if the budget was really £200m, then this is my list :

1. Pure ST : either Kane or Lukaku = max. £100m

2. DM : Tchoeumani or Kamara or Bissouma = max £60m

3. CB : Bastoni or Lacroix = max £40m

4. LW : Sancho = max £80m (if we can't get ST target)

Kane will cost £130m to £150m

Lukaku will cost £77m to £86m (90 to 100m euros)

Tchou and Kamara (euro is weak v pound, so that helps) would be less than £45m or so, I think £40m quid would grab either, maybe even lower

Lacroix would cost £30-34m or so, maybe £38m max (due to strong GBP), maybe even less than 30m quid, IF Marina does her thing

Bastoni will cost far more than £40m, at least £65-70m or so, maybe more, he is now the top Italian CB (top 6 on planet IMHO, and is a left footer) and will not be cheap. Romagnoli is likely up for sale, also a left-footer, and would be far cheaper, as would Varane.

I LOVE Bastoni, just do not know is we dump that much quid out atm. IF Pep grabs Bastoni, then in a couple years (as VVD slides down due to age, and perhaps lingering effects of that horrid injury) Citeh may very well like have the 2 best (not just best pair, but top 2 individuals) CB's on the planet, with Dias and Bastoni. Dias only just turned 24 two weeks ago, and Bastoni is basically 2 years younger, he just turned 22 six weeks ago. De Ligt is, atm, their only competitor 2, 3 years from now for top CB from all that I can tell. They also, IF Pep rates him, which is bizarre how much he has fallen out with Pep, another top 5 to yop 10 CB in Aymeric Laporte, who I still rate the hell out of (and is another of the ultra rare left-footers)

These are the only left-footed CB's I rate atm

Alessandro Bastoni   
Aymeric Laporte
Pau Torres   
Alessio Romagnoli
Sven Botman (1.95m 21 year old Dutchman, from Lille, a monster in the making)
Benoît Badiashile (1.94m 20 year old Frenchman from Monaco)
Evan N'Dicka    
Josko Gvardiol (19yo Croatian from Dinamo Zagreb)
Renan Victor da Silva (a just turned 19yo from Palmeiras)
David Carmo 1.96m 21yo from Braga

only ambipedal CB I rate is Caglar Söyüncü and he would be crazy overpriced

 

Botman

Edited May 31, 2021 by Vesper

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Tuchel always had some odd signings historically, the links of Traore and Hofmann are bit worriying.

TBF, when have our managers not have wanted odd signings?

But my jaw nearly dropped when I saw Tuchel identifies Traore as a target in the article. Better off just keeping Moses for the RWB role instead of selling him away. Hope it's BS.

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

He's had two real stand out games now in the second leg against Madrid, and then last night's final playing that role pretty much perfectly.

It's a much smaller game but there's also the Fulham game and all 3 games saw Werner and Havertz operate upfront together and they did well as a partnership. Werner had someone he can play off with - just like he did at Leipzig - while Havertz had someone who was constantly on the move to create space for him.

6 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'm struggling to decide what I think we should do with our attacking options.

For me Havertz looks like his best position is that false 9. It suits his game to drift and find space, he's shown a huge willingness and improvement to press from the front in recent months and his size and technique make him a perfect foil for the other attackers, whilst still have the pace himself to hurt teams. 

He's had two real stand out games now in the second leg against Madrid, and then last night's final playing that role pretty much perfectly.

I do expect him to kick on next season, full of confidence after this and especially if he can stay fit as I think he'll play regularly.

How much of that goal scoring void he can fill though I'm not sure. I think he's capable of chipping in 12 - 15 goals in the league and maybe pushing up towards around 20 in all competitions. 

I've mentioned previously that a realistic increase in goals from all of the front players could put us in a position where we don't need a 20+ goal scorer and instead become a bigger danger because we're not so reliant on one player. If Havertz and Werner could get 12 - 15 goals and Ziyech, Mount and Pulisic could all chip in with 8 - 10 we'd be in a position I believe to challenge for the title. We'd also then have more flexibility in attacking targets as Tuchel can look at another option which maybe fits the dynamic better but can complement the group with similar goal numbers to above (maybe someone like Sancho). Compared to say someone like Lukaku who will score goals but would it be to the overall detriment of the team if his all round play doesn't suit? 

Inclined to agree. I feel like we should get a striker especially with Giroud AND Abraham looking set to leave but I am just not sure if we really need a big name striker - like Lukaku - at this point. Over the past two seasons (including this season), City and Liverpool have shown winning the league is possible without having a striker, as so as long as the other attackers, midfielders etc contribute the goals, spread them out within the team. Maybe I'm being hopeful but feel like there is more to come from our attackers in terms of converting chances, that this season is not a true reflection of their finishing capability. If we get a big name striker like Lukaku, I feel like he will only get in the way of the others especially if Tuchel is gonna stick with the back 3, not just in terms scoring goals but also the development side of things. Would prefer to get a low key striker like Danny Ings (not necessarily suggesting him specifically but merely throwing an example in), someone that can fit into Tuchel's system (probably more so than Lukaku) and Tuchel's rotation (suspect he'll do the same next season with the packed schedule). Would someone like Lukaku be happy with constantly being rotated? Is someone like Lukaku also suitable for the way Tuchel wants to play, despite his goalscoring record? Will Lukaku's big ego fit in with the rest of the team (@Tomo would be having fits over this)? Tuchel has spoken a lot about the strong dynamic and bond between the players and he doesn't want to disrupt that. 

[R2D2 368]

Winning the CL and targeting absolute donkeys, fuck this crap. Way to ruin a CL title winning squad adding king donkey Lukaku and donkey Traore, makes me puke if it happens.

Edited May 31, 2021 by R2D2