Chelsea Transfers

[Tomo 21,751]

11 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Is this realy bs people believe?

Was Sancho good enough? Because he looks pretty damn good to me. Yet City decided to buy Mahrez and Silva instead of giving chance to Sancho.

Yea he would play sure. Maybe a game every 100 years. But he wouldnt develop like he did in Bvb. 

This crap about if he is good he will play is worlds biggest load of crap. Lets say Odoi plays well. Will Ziyech be benched? Kai? Puli? Never. It would take Odoi to play 10-20 games in row to leave any sort of mark. One game wont change shit. And only if someone gets injured, he will get those 10+ games. Sancho at the time wasnt "good enough" to play so Pep didnt play him. But you dont judge them on now, but on 1,2, 5 years from now. Can Odoi be great player then? Yes. What does he need to achieve? Faith and playtime as in first 11, week in and out. Will we do that? No because we forked 200m on others.

So no, playtime here and there with side role isnt gonna make CHO or anyone else here a worldbeater. 

He will have more than enough minutes for a 19 year old. There's more ways to develop a player than starting them every game god sends,for example, at the same age CHO is now, Xavi was on less first team appearances while Pedro, Puyol and Busquets were still awaiting their debut, they turned out ok.

Infact, foreign teams do tend to by inlarge take a more staggered approach (Dortmund aside), the desperation to make teenagers bonafide starters immediately is more an English (club) thing, that's why everyone freaked out and couldn't properly grasp the context when Sarri said it will take a few years until Callum is fully ready to start week in week out.

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Is this realy bs people believe?

Was Sancho good enough? Because he looks pretty damn good to me. Yet City decided to buy Mahrez and Silva instead of giving chance to Sancho.

Yea he would play sure. Maybe a game every 100 years. But he wouldnt develop like he did in Bvb. 

This crap about if he is good he will play is worlds biggest load of crap. Lets say Odoi plays well. Will Ziyech be benched? Kai? Puli? Never. It would take Odoi to play 10-20 games in row to leave any sort of mark. One game wont change shit. And only if someone gets injured, he will get those 10+ games. Sancho at the time wasnt "good enough" to play so Pep didnt play him. But you dont judge them on now, but on 1,2, 5 years from now. Can Odoi be great player then? Yes. What does he need to achieve? Faith and playtime as in first 11, week in and out. Will we do that? No because we forked 200m on others.

So no, playtime here and there with side role isnt gonna make CHO or anyone else here a worldbeater. 

The difference between CHO and Sancho is that CHO is part of the first team squad, getting game time and now is arguably next in line on either flank behind Pulisic and Ziyech. He'll get opportunities throughout the season and he has to step up and take them. He isn't going to be simply handed them because he has a good reputation at youth level. The top clubs just won't do that. It's difficult to come in and out and try to make an impression but that is what he has to do, and then either gets the fortune of a run of games due to injuries or forces his way into the team. 

Sancho wasn't even getting a sniff at City, and was well out of the picture.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The difference between CHO and Sancho is that CHO is part of the first team squad, getting game time and now is arguably next in line on either flank behind Pulisic and Ziyech. He'll get opportunities throughout the season and he has to step up and take them. He isn't going to be simply handed them because he has a good reputation at youth level. The top clubs just won't do that. It's difficult to come in and out and try to make an impression but that is what he has to do, and then either gets the fortune of a run of games due to injuries or forces his way into the team. 

Sancho wasn't even getting a sniff at City, and was well out of the picture.

Wasnt Sancho just 17 when he left? Odoi at 17 wasnt playing for us either.

Its more like Foden situation now. Silva left. So everyone expects Foden to step up. Is he great player? No. But could be. City could still throw a bag of money and sign established midfielder. Which puts Foden back to not just the bench, but guaranteed place on bench with game here and there. See the difference?

Odoi is same. Pedro and Willian left. Odoi could step up. But instead, we signed Ziyech who will keep him out. Lets not kid ourselves. Even a couple bad games from Ziy and couple good from Odoi wont make Odoi a starter here. Just like when Rudiger came back, Tomori was warming the bench. Sure Tomori wasnt great when he came on but thats the thing. You dont play for long periods, sure you will be rusty. Then next game the star will already start the game. And you will get chance later, rusty again. Rinse and repeat.

Same is with Mount. If Kai gets here, Mount wont be a starter. Maybe he will get game on wings, and another deeper, but he is AM. Will certainly not develop like he would playing every game as AM. 

Its like when we brought Lamps, we also brought Zidane and tell Lamps he will get the chance. Never. 

Sad thing is that players like Odoi, Mount at one point in future would bleed for the club being ours. Kai and others might be world stars, but I doubt they will. Times when foreigners like Drogba gave 120% are long gone with the new spoiled generation. Also Kai could decide to move to Real in few years. Mount even if he became star wouldnt. We would have to pay yes, but they would stay for the club. Foreigners are more likely to dream of Real and Barca etc.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,058]

11 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Sancho wasn't even getting a sniff at City, and was well out of the picture

He was really young when he left. So young that he played in the U17 World Cup after joining BVB. Also, to be fair, City had a more powerful squad then than we have now. In other words, a more difficult squad for a youngster to force his way into.

[Tomo 21,751]

12 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Wasnt Sancho just 17 when he left? Odoi at 17 wasnt playing for us either.

Its more like Foden situation now. Silva left. So everyone expects Foden to step up. Is he great player? No. But could be. City could still throw a bag of money and sign established midfielder. Which puts Foden back to not just the bench, but guaranteed place on bench with game here and there. See the difference?

Odoi is same. Pedro and Willian left. Odoi could step up. But instead, we signed Ziyech who will keep him out. Lets not kid ourselves. Even a couple bad games from Ziy and couple good from Odoi wont make Odoi a starter here. Just like when Rudiger came back, Tomori was warming the bench. Sure Tomori wasnt great when he came on but thats the thing. You dont play for long periods, sure you will be rusty. Then next game the star will already start the game. And you will get chance later, rusty again. Rinse and repeat.

Same is with Mount. If Kai gets here, Mount wont be a starter. Maybe he will get game on wings, and another deeper, but he is AM. Will certainly not develop like he would playing every game as AM. 

Its like when we brought Lamps, we also brought Zidane and tell Lamps he will get the chance. Never. 

Sad thing is that players like Odoi, Mount at one point in future would bleed for the club being ours. Kai and others might be world stars, but I doubt they will. Times when foreigners like Drogba gave 120% are long gone with the new spoiled generation. Also Kai could decide to move to Real in few years. Mount even if he became star wouldnt. We would have to pay yes, but they would stay for the club. Foreigners are more likely to dream of Real and Barca etc.

You've destroyed your own argument mentioning Lamps. He had a world cup winning CM sign the very same summer as him and two years later Makelele and Veron.

If they're destined to be great player's they'll embrace the competition like their manager did.

[DDA 9,924]

30 minutes ago, Tomo said:

He will have more than enough minutes for a 19 year old. There's more ways to develop a player than starting them every game god sends,for example, at the same age CHO is now, Xavi was on less first team appearances while Pedro, Puyol and Busquets were still awaiting their debut, they turned out ok.

Infact, foreign teams do tend to by inlarge take a more staggered approach (Dortmund aside), the desperation to make teenagers bonafide starters immediately is more an English (club) thing, that's why everyone freaked out and couldn't properly grasp the context when Sarri said it will take a few years until Callum is fully ready to start week in week out.

In hindsight, Sarri was bang on the money although if it wasn't for that injury, I truly believe Odoi had that special aura and ability about him to go full steam into stardom. I'm literally praying to the footballing Gods that this version of Odoi we are currently witnessing is down to confidence rather than an apparent loss of pace and acceleration. 

[Tomo 21,751]

4 minutes ago, DDA said:

In hindsight, Sarri was bang on the money although if it wasn't for that injury, I truly believe Odoi had that special aura and ability about him to go full steam into stardom. I'm literally praying to the footballing Gods that this version of Odoi we are currently witnessing is down to confidence rather than an apparent loss of pace and acceleration. 

Honestly I think his "fall" has been wildly exaggerated personally.

He had a nightmare today but has recently faced the two best teams in Europe and didn't look out of place, infact I thought he was great at Anfield, went a bit under the radar because of Pulisic though.

[DDA 9,924]

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Honestly I think his "fall" has been wildly exaggerated personally.

He had a nightmare today but has recently faced the two best teams in Europe and didn't look out of place, infact I thought he was great at Anfield, went a bit under the radar because of Pulisic though.

Yea, he had a decent game against them tbf.. it's just that loss of acceleration and the fearlessness to take players on isn't there at the moment. The momentum of his growth has completely stalled and understandably so. Just annoying as fuck man.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

You've destroyed your own argument mentioning Lamps. He had a world cup winning CM sign the very same summer as him and two years later Makelele and Veron.

If they're destined to be great player's they'll embrace the competition like their manager did.

Was it Petit? He wasnt even in same position. Neither were Makelele or Veron being creative midfileders. So no, this wasnt Lamps direct competition. Lamps was at the time our main choice.

He was brought as THE signing. In case of Odoi or Mount; Kai and Ziyech are the signings who will start. 

I mean what do people think? Are you trying to believe this is gonna work and our youth will flourish?

Mount played almost all games last season and he was good. The CLUB then decided we need to spend 100m in his position. And 40m on RW where Odoi could easily play. And 60m where Tammy could play. 

Its clear arent youth isnt trusted enough if the board went and splashed 200m on new arrivals.

Kai is biggest AM talent in the world. But yes sure, the club believes in Mount so much, he will definately play ahead if he is good enough😄

The only way our youth will play isnt if they play well, but if these new stars flop. 

Liverpool could splash millions on new RB but they stuck with Trent. If they bought expensive RB who would perform, it wouldnt matter if Trent was good in cup game here and there. Big game and that new reliable expensive RB will get picked 9/10 times.

What are you people smoking...we had good go with the youth, but its over. We will be better team now for sure. Kai is better than Mount. Werner over Tammy etc. But we wont have youth core. These players wont be big players for us. They will be good rotation options, but never key players.

That is unless new signings flop or get injury prone.

[milka 3,390]

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

8 minutes ago, milka said:

 

Cech was also 24, played superb euro 2004 and won u21 in 2002 with CZ. Mendy is 28.

 

[Tomo 21,751]

35 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Was it Petit? He wasnt even in same position. Neither were Makelele or Veron being creative midfileders. So no, this wasnt Lamps direct competition. Lamps was at the time our main choice.

He was brought as THE signing. In case of Odoi or Mount; Kai and Ziyech are the signings who will start. 

I mean what do people think? Are you trying to believe this is gonna work and our youth will flourish?

Mount played almost all games last season and he was good. The CLUB then decided we need to spend 100m in his position. And 40m on RW where Odoi could easily play. And 60m where Tammy could play. 

Its clear arent youth isnt trusted enough if the board went and splashed 200m on new arrivals.

Kai is biggest AM talent in the world. But yes sure, the club believes in Mount so much, he will definately play ahead if he is good enough😄

The only way our youth will play isnt if they play well, but if these new stars flop. 

Liverpool could splash millions on new RB but they stuck with Trent. If they bought expensive RB who would perform, it wouldnt matter if Trent was good in cup game here and there. Big game and that new reliable expensive RB will get picked 9/10 times.

What are you people smoking...we had good go with the youth, but its over. We will be better team now for sure. Kai is better than Mount. Werner over Tammy etc. But we wont have youth core. These players wont be big players for us. They will be good rotation options, but never key players.

That is unless new signings flop or get injury prone.

You mention Trent well.

1. Right back is completely different, that's one position, CM, AM and wingers are really fluid and offer a lot of game time and rotation, even more in the season to come. We can play two number 8s like City did (which allows room for Havertz and Mount) while CHO has actually gone from 4th choice winger to 3rd. The only academy player that's likely going to see a massive cut down of minutes is Abraham, which is no disgrace, having a back up forward like him is what's allowed us the funds to sign big names.

2. We have a young prospect at right back, and we abandoned attempts to sign Hakimi because of that. 

Re Lamps, back then we played 442 so any CM signing even if not exactly the same type of player was very much a threat to him.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Look anybody is better than Kepa IMHO 

[NikkiCFC 8,287]

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

Is this realy bs people believe?

Was Sancho good enough? Because he looks pretty damn good to me. Yet City decided to buy Mahrez and Silva instead of giving chance to Sancho.

Yea he would play sure. Maybe a game every 100 years. But he wouldnt develop like he did in Bvb. 

This crap about if he is good he will play is worlds biggest load of crap. Lets say Odoi plays well. Will Ziyech be benched? Kai? Puli? Never. It would take Odoi to play 10-20 games in row to leave any sort of mark. One game wont change shit. And only if someone gets injured, he will get those 10+ games. Sancho at the time wasnt "good enough" to play so Pep didnt play him. But you dont judge them on now, but on 1,2, 5 years from now. Can Odoi be great player then? Yes. What does he need to achieve? Faith and playtime as in first 11, week in and out. Will we do that? No because we forked 200m on others.

So no, playtime here and there with side role isnt gonna make CHO or anyone else here a worldbeater. 

Sancho never got a chance at City. Look around, Fati gets the chance as 17yo and you see there is a lot of potential so he will play even in Barca. It is the same with all wunderkind talent around the world.

Do you know how much Mount played last season? Abraham? Even in previous clubs. I myself saw more than 5000 minutes of both of them and I think I know what is their level and what kind of a players they are.

If we continue with them as starters they may become just a little bit better but we should already have an idea of their future level and it is not Chelsea starters (my opinion). In fact, I think Mount was overplayed last season.

James and CHO are still not there, they should play more and I never criticized them because I think they did not fulfill even 20% of possible potential.

James last season played around 50% of all minutes, this season he will play even more and even more in the season after. So it is up to him.

It is the same with CHO. I mean we have just 3 wingers, so he is the 1st backup for both Ziyech and Pulisic. And Pulisic is injured all the time so Callum will play a lot. Again it is on him.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

In hindsight, Sarri was bang on the money although if it wasn't for that injury, I truly believe Odoi had that special aura and ability about him to go full steam into stardom. I'm literally praying to the footballing Gods that this version of Odoi we are currently witnessing is down to confidence rather than an apparent loss of pace and acceleration. 

I really want Cho to be great but I think since the injury he looks bang average. Today his passing/decision making was pretty poor. Hope he steps up