Chelsea Transfers

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https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost471

The 471st CIES Football Observatory Weekly Post presents the top 100 of players worldwide who did not yet turn 20 in terms of their relative experience level*. Lamine Yamal tops the list with 2.75 times more experience than the average measured for players of the same age and position. The Spaniard outranks his Barcelona teammate Pau Cubarsí (x2.42) and Real Madrid’s Endrick Felipe (x2.41).

Paris St-Germain’s Warren Zaïre-Emery is fourth, ahead of Manchester United's Kobbie Mainoo. The three youngest players in the top 100 are KRC Genk's Belgian Konstantinos Karetsas (16.8 years; 71st), LOSC Lille's Frenchman Ayyoub Bouaddi (16.9 years; 54th) and River Plate's Argentinian Franco Mastantuono (17.1 years; 22nd).

Outside the European big-5, the top three are Ecuador's Kendry Páez (Independiente del Valle, on loan from Chelsea), Brazil's Estêvão Willian (Palmeiras, also on loan from Chelsea) and Turkey's Yasin Özcan (Kasimpaşa). In total, 38 leagues are represented in the top 100, with a maximum of 13 players for the English Premier League, followed by 10 for the French Ligue 1.

* The level of experience is calculated on the basis of last year’s official game minutes, weighted by the sporting level of matches played.

Experience level relative to age and position

Top 100 worldwide, U20 players, 11/09/2024

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Lol, Paul Merson is on the lash again.

Says we missed a trick by not buying Niclas Füllkrug (soon to be 32yo in several months btw) for the £27m West Ham paid.

He also slated Nico, says we do not have a proper CF.

 

Paul Merson says Chelsea dropped a clanger letting West Ham sign new star but were right to avoid Hammers teammate

 

[DH1988 1,349]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

Lol, Paul Merson is on the lash again.

Says we missed a trick by not buying Niclas Füllkrug (soon to be 32yo in several months btw) for the £27m West Ham paid.

He also slated Nico, says we do not have a proper CF.

 

Paul Merson says Chelsea dropped a clanger letting West Ham sign new star but were right to avoid Hammers teammate

 

Somewhat agree, plan B has been an issue for us since Giroud left, not that Niclas was the answer, and possibly neither was Vlah a few years ago (When Poch first came in) but I saw the Llorente vibes there, was just crazy money at the time.

[milka 3,393]

Michael Jackson not only he is not a proper striker he is not Chelsea level if we have proper managment  like City or Liverpool but we are Clownlake FC and we love to propin  the mediocrity .Compare him to Diego Costa and you'll get an idea of how much the level has fallen in the last years. Osimhen was that type monster player  but they can't pay wages for top players. Apart of Palmer no one of these ''super talents'' we buy can't sneak into  teams who battle for trophies .

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, DH1988 said:

Somewhat agree, plan B has been an issue for us since Giroud left, not that Niclas was the answer, and possibly neither was Vlah a few years ago (When Poch first came in) but I saw the Llorente vibes there, was just crazy money at the time.

When we hired Maresca it got pretty clear that he does not want a plan B and thus the idea of signing someone like Fülle was always a nonstarter. Personally I like old fashioned big man  CFs and their ability to unlock deep defences like Giroud did so many times for us. 
However, Fülle is not exactly the same quality as Giroud when he was in a similar age range and also not that ice cold a finisher as I would have hoped at the euros so I am not too disappointed here

 

Still, in general I do think we would greatly profit from someone like him but the market is just not that rich in quality atm.
history shows that only very smart or very technical big man CFs make it in this league at top six clubs.
They were a dying breed for the last few years but there is some re emergence esp in PL with new ones like Larsen, Igor Thiago, fülle etc. joining. Let’s observe  how they adapt. Maybe even  Maresca or more likely his successor sees the light soon enough 

Edited September 13, 2024 by Magic Lamps

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41 minutes ago, milka said:

Michael Jackson not only he is not a proper striker

but he sure could dance!

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

On 12/09/2024 at 13:04, cosmicway said:

Chelsea wanted Fofana to start in two thirds of the matches or there would be a punishung clause doubling the price.
Also to take him back in January if they wanted.
It was impossible with these conditions.
 

For Turkish spies it was possible!

 

[LAM09 7,062]

On 12/09/2024 at 12:04, cosmicway said:

Chelsea wanted Fofana to start in two thirds of the matches or there would be a punishung clause doubling the price.
Also to take him back in January if they wanted.
It was impossible with these conditions.
 

These types of conditions just emphasise the fact whoever is putting these deals together is worried about the financial side rather than player growth. If a club really wants a player and believes they can improve their squad, they'll play. Inserting these idiotic clauses like the one Broja had at Fulham does little to nothing for the player.

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

For Turkish spies it was possible!

 

AEK rating is 1590 for better or worse.
Goztepe is 1355 ! One cinch above Pitcairn island, Samoa.
However the Turks have money - remember before Boehly there was a Turk who placed a bid to take Chelsea.

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

3 hours ago, cosmicway said:

However the Turks have money 

From where is money coming from? 🤔

Greek priority is basketball. No one spends more in Europe than Panathinaikos and Olympiakos. PAO owner is especially interesting guy. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,078]

5 hours ago, LAM09 said:

These types of conditions just emphasise the fact whoever is putting these deals together is worried about the financial side rather than player growth. If a club really wants a player and believes they can improve their squad, they'll play. Inserting these idiotic clauses like the one Broja had at Fulham does little to nothing for the player.

These clauses are nothing new and are in fact standard. The characterising of something as 'punishing' drives clicks I suppose, but it don't reflect the reality of loans. When players of development age are loaned, it is absolutely normal that the fee is inversely linked to the number of games they play. More games - lower fee, fewer games - higher fee.

Edited September 13, 2024 by OhForAGreavsie

[cosmicway 1,333]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

From where is money coming from? 🤔

Greek priority is basketball. No one spends more in Europe than Panathinaikos and Olympiakos. PAO owner is especially interesting guy. 

Well the clubs of Turkey seem to have money.
They signed players like Icardi, Bats, two or three of the good Greeks also.
Those who seem to have gone abysmal are the once respected Bulgaria.
Greeks are poor but you know something strange ?
In the early seventies Greek budgets were about 50% of those of Europe (and Real Madrid - Italians had a brief lean spell those years it seems).
The world record transfer of 1972 was Alan Hudson from Chelsea to Stoke City for 220,000 pounds and the record Greek transfer was Greek-Argentinian Nicolaou for about half that amount.
This did not last of course as well as the Italians and Madrid returned in strength.
Now the difference is big and especially after the economic crisis of 2010 it is really huge.

If a talent appears in Greece like Mimis Domazos how long will he stay ?
Domazos (the undisputed all time Greek superstar) came to Panathinaikos in 1959 from a lowly neighbourhood side.
The Panathinaikos manager was Harry Game and from the first season Domazos was nicknamed "the general".
If the football world was like today's football world would he have stayed in Greece after January 1960 ? Likely. After summer 1960 ? Unlikely.
Today we would n't even remember him as a Panathinaikos legend. We 'd probably not even remember his Greek club.

[LAM09 7,062]

1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

These clauses are nothing new and are in fact standard. The characterising of something as 'punishing' drives clicks I suppose, but it don't reflect the reality of loans. When players of development age are loaned, it is absolutely normal that the fee is inversely linked to the number of games they play. More games - lower fee, fewer games - higher fee.

I'm aware such clauses exist, but they really shouldn't be a worry if both parties are keen on the move. Fulham reportedly had to pay us an additional £4 million for Broja's loan term on top of his wages. In any case, wouldn't it be better to loan players to clubs in need of them & have a high chance of getting game time?

Just look at the farce that was Santos' loan to Forest. He might as well have been on a holiday for 6 months.

Edited September 13, 2024 by LAM09

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37 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

In any case, wouldn't it be better to loan players to clubs in need of them & have a high chance of getting game time?

To be fair, Broja hasn't looked like a PL level striker since those injuries wrecked his development.   A bit of financial security was definitely helpful in that situation. 

38 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Just look at the farce that was Santos' loan to Forest. He might as well have been on a holiday for 6 months

Funny how he had multiple offers but his agents chose Forest and the Forest manager at the time came out and said something along the lines of we like him as cheap squad depth but he won't be getting minutes. 

At least it's good to see Santos playing more regularly in France and developing his skills!

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1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

These clauses are nothing new and are in fact standard. The characterising of something as 'punishing' drives clicks I suppose, but it don't reflect the reality of loans. When players of development age are loaned, it is absolutely normal that the fee is inversely linked to the number of games they play. More games - lower fee, fewer games - higher fee.

Exactly.  I've seen United, Liverpool and a few other clubs loan out players and they all have penalty clauses for lack of game time.  

It's just easier to write bad when it comes to Chelsea because we get way more clicks on X and other platforms! 

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I'm not a fan, but it's really strange for Rabiot to be a free agent at 29. There are talks about United, but what a weird career move by the player and agent.

Not as strange as 30yo Depay at Corinthians in Brazil, but close.

[cosmicway 1,333]

13 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

These clauses are nothing new and are in fact standard. The characterising of something as 'punishing' drives clicks I suppose, but it don't reflect the reality of loans. When players of development age are loaned, it is absolutely normal that the fee is inversely linked to the number of games they play. More games - lower fee, fewer games - higher fee.

The clause that he plays two thirds of the matches looks ok at first sight.
All this commotion and he does n't play two thirds of the matches ?
But what if the player is injured or red carded ?

To optionally claim him back in ... January is a guillotine.
Heads we win, tails you lose.
If he is bad let him be, if he is good we claim him back !

Goztepe are way bottom of the league in Turkiye and they did n't mind.
However I imagine if AEK Athens had the money and really liked the player they could do something better.




 

Edited September 14, 2024 by cosmicway

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23 hours ago, LAM09 said:

I'm aware such clauses exist, but they really shouldn't be a worry if both parties are keen on the move. Fulham reportedly had to pay us an additional £4 million for Broja's loan term on top of his wages. In any case, wouldn't it be better to loan players to clubs in need of them & have a high chance of getting game time?

Just look at the farce that was Santos' loan to Forest. He might as well have been on a holiday for 6 months.

We have to assume that Forrest thought they needed him or they wouldn't have done the deal. Sometimes moves don't pan out in the way all parties hoped they would.

[Thor 2,722]

On 22/06/2024 at 18:17, TheHulk said:

We're getting a young striker either way rather Beier than clowns like Duran or Samu.

Oh okay. 

 

On 25/06/2024 at 23:39, Pizy said:

We should just be glad that the club is spending only £5m on this kid than £40m on Duran, I guess. 🤷‍♂️

[DH1988 1,349]

Referring to my post a few weeks ago re: Sancho. Looks a completely different player even than at Dortmund post United, so odd. Good for us, obviously, 45 minutes in but he's nothing like he was. Maybe having the going squad of Noni, Cole etc helped heaps.