Chelsea Transfers

[TheHulk 2,489]

Off topic but the forum is loading pages and twits like complete trash.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

See all these Saudi deals? I take it we're getting a transfer fee as well as losing the dead weight?

[Pizy 18,959]

Just now, ulsterchelsea said:

See all these Saudi deals? I take it we're getting a transfer fee as well as losing the dead weight?

Surely we are when players like KK & Ziyech have more than 1 year left on their deals.

[Vesper 30,234]

On 17/06/2023 at 11:28, TheHulk said:

Not even Vesper rates him.

rates who?

I rate Toney

and I am not at all negative on Jackson, I had him in a list of possible CFs back in May here

 

On 17/06/2023 at 11:31, YorkshireBlue said:

No offence to vesper, but she's hardly scouting royalty,

I am obviously not a pro, and especially never claimed royalty scouting status (lolol) but at least let me find out who Hulk was talking about (meaning did I actually say I did not rate some player)

[TheHulk 2,489]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

rates who?

I rate Toney

and I am not at all negative on Jackson, I had him in a list of possible CFs back in May here

 

I am obviously not a pro, and especially never claimed royalty scouting status (lolol) but at least let me find out who Hulk was talking about (meaning did I actually say I did not rate some player)

Meant regarding Jackson, I didn't see you say anything about him so assumed you don't rate him high.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

4 hours ago, Tomo said:

This could come back to haunt me but I'm really not getting the hype over Ten Hag so far, their football has been no different to Ole's.

I think they have to be a bit more progressive at times next season although there was some games with sequences where you could see bits and pieces of how EtH’s Ajax played also but would say United were a bit more rigid than Ajax who were a bit more free. I don’t think he will be able to completely instil that way of playing from Ajax to United either as I would imagine with some of the players he has at United he can tailor things to utilise certain skills. Plus Ajax always play in that style, although theres always slightly variations.

Overall though, from how I looked at it, it looked like EtH focused more on resetting the attitude and mentality as well as trying to get back to that sort of ‘this is Man United’ of the past. Where as under Jose, Ole and Ragnick you got the feeling they were soft and would roll over after any little struggle.

You’d expect them to go on and buy a few good players this summer and keep building. They did have some big losses though which again, difficult to shake off despite what you’d expect has to he considered a very positive season for United but they seemed to be a bit more resolute and not cave in moments where they did before.

[Tomo 21,751]

7 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I think they have to be a bit more progressive at times next season although there was some games with sequences where you could see bits and pieces of how EtH’s Ajax played also but would say United were a bit more rigid than Ajax who were a bit more free. I don’t think he will be able to completely instil that way of playing from Ajax to United either as I would imagine with some of the players he has at United he can tailor things to utilise certain skills. Plus Ajax always play in that style, although theres always slightly variations.

Overall though, from how I looked at it, it looked like EtH focused more on resetting the attitude and mentality as well as trying to get back to that sort of ‘this is Man United’ of the past. Where as under Jose, Ole and Ragnick you got the feeling they were soft and would roll over after any little struggle.

You’d expect them to go on and buy a few good players this summer and keep building. They did have some big losses though which again, difficult to shake off despite what you’d expect has to he considered a very positive season for United but they seemed to be a bit more resolute and not cave in moments where they did before.

He hasn't really fixed the soft mentality though. They suffered three history book tonkings and won once away against the top 12 (couldn't even beat us in what was probably our worst ever big game performance at Stamford Bridge).

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, DDA said:

I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince anybody that the majority of the current squad have been nothing short of a disgrace and there is certainly no convincing me otherwise. Many of these players are overrated..  the winning of the CL was a team effort and had nothing majorly to do with the excellence of individuals. If anything the stand out player of that campaign was Rudiger. The other trophies are in all honesty mickey mouse trophies that nobody really gives a fuck about. 

That in itself should be cautionary tale as he was the biggest scapegoat under Lampard 1.0.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,820]

This one just will not die

 

[Vesper 30,234]

On 17/06/2023 at 15:08, Gundalf said:

definitely not seen as a world class striker back then. 

disagree

Ligue 1 Goal of the Year: 2003–04
Ligue 1 Player of the Month: January 2004, May 2004
Ligue 1 Player of the Year: 2003–04
Ligue 1 Team of the Year: 2003–04

Onze d'Or: 2004

The Onze d'Or (alternative name: Onze Mondial European Footballer of the Year) is an association football award given by French magazine Onze Mondial since 1976. The award honors the best player in Europe, with any player in a European league eligible. Since 1991, there has also been a vote for the best coach of the year.

 

[TheHulk 2,489]

 

[Mário César 1,289]

thank god

off him and zyiech it will be amazing! 

[dimmas 131]

To be honest, I hardly understand what Arsenal saw in Havertz.

Maybe I'm one of the person who don't rate him highly based on what I have seen from him in the past 2-3 years.

Could he perform better and have much better stats in a much better attacking team or with a certain style of play? Yes, that is something that could still happen.

But can Havertz transform his game and become a completely different player than what he has shown with us? I hardly believe that.

I mean, it's like saying that after Jorginho moves to Arsenal, he could become stronger physically, have quicker feet, better dribbler, capable of keeping the ball under pressure in much more consistently, and provide much better threat and become strong combative player as midfielder. I mean, by playing in a more suitable system with better teammates, someone could perform better and become a more functional player. But when the issue lies in the player's lack of skills and attributes (or in havertz case also his sluggish style of play and often being invisible), I hardly believe that.

The same thing also applies to the case of Sterling. He had much better performances and numbers when playing in the City team, but we have already seen what he lacks from his City days, and it just becomes more apparent in a worse functioning team.

Edited June 18, 2023 by dimmas

[ZAPHOD2319 4,820]

 

[whats happening 1,623]

will be very awkward if havertz's transfer collapses and he stays with us.

[Vesper 30,234]

38 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Meant regarding Jackson, I didn't see you say anything about him so assumed you don't rate him high.

he was not at the top of my lists, but I did list him as a possible target

[Mário César 1,289]

15 minutes ago, whats happening said:

will be very awkward if havertz's transfer collapses and he stays with us.

and why you say that could be fail?

[Pizy 18,959]

Seems the Saudi’s may save our asses on several players that may have otherwise been very difficult to move. Koulibaly, Ziyech, and maybe even Mendy and Lukaku.

Wouldn’t be surprised if the moaners in the English media start calling for an investigation 🤣🤣🤣

[bluesman2610 1,422]

3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Seems the Saudi’s may save our asses on several players that may have otherwise been very difficult to move. Koulibaly, Ziyech, and maybe even Mendy and Lukaku.

Wouldn’t be surprised if the moaners in the English media start calling for an investigation 🤣🤣🤣

This is definitely in the horizon for us. Let’s be honest English media and the FA never liked us.

[Vesper 30,234]

I see so many say, 'but but, buy an established star CF'

well

there is just not that many viable buy CFs to choose from:

the pipe dreams, not happening:

Kylian Mbappé (and I always contend he is a winger, not a CF, he dislikes playing CF)

Victor Osimhen    (simply too expensive and we have no CL) my number one target for ages but the money is just not there, thanks to Boehly's clown spends plus we collapsed for europe

Julián Álvarez (as if Pep is going to sell him knowing Håland is gone in a year or 2)

then

Harry Kane (crazy hard pull, only if a fair price. so doubtful for many reasons)

Randal Kolo Muani (likely too expensive though, they want €100m, and is he actually better than the next two? Maybe, but I cannot see is dumping 100m euros on him)

the only two serious options (besides Jackson) left and they are both expensive AF and super hard to pull:

Dusan Vlahovic

Lautaro Martínez

and many here do not rate those 2 either

the rest:

Jonathan David (will be double the cost of Jackson, and many here do not rate him as a 'lead the line' CF)
Ivan Toney (suspension fucks it)
Gonçalo Ramos (they demand £80m, that is too much IMHO)
Rasmus Højlund  (off my board, as Atalanta want an insane €100m, no bargaining)
Marcus Thuram  (free transfer, but is he better than Jackson? Likely going to AC Milan)
Aleksandar Mitrović (would be cray expensive for what we would get, not a Poch style striker at all)
Hugo Ekitiké  (PSG said not for sale, and is he really better than Jackson?)
Benjamin Sesko  (almost no chance RB sells him on after just getting him in a couple weeks)
 

then youth:

Marcos Leonardo Brasil 20yo

Vitor Roque Brasil youth 18yo

Alejo Véliz Argie youth 19yo 

Estevão Willian 16yo Palmeiras youth