Chelsea Transfers

[Pizy 18,877]

1 hour ago, Mário César said:

I bet if Chelsea signed Mbuenbo, our fans wouldn’t be too happy about it — and United fans would be like, “Told you so.”

Let’s be honest: he’s only had one great season, and even then, 5 of his 20 goals were penalties.

Playing for a big club is a different kind of pressure, and he might not handle it well.

For sure there would be some of our fans underwhelmed if we signed him but not me. It’s not even mostly about his goals for me but about his playing style and mentality. He’s an animal on the pitch. 

[LAM09 7,043]

9 minutes ago, Pizy said:

For sure there would be some of our fans underwhelmed if we signed him but not me. It’s not even mostly about his goals for me but about his playing style and mentality. He’s an animal on the pitch. 

I personally believe he'd be a better signing than any winger we purchase during this window.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,064]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

A combination of wages and red flags over his pervious performances in the PL. 

Or non-performances. I don't think he actually played a Premier League game. Or should I say, Google doesn't think so. 🙂

Edited June 2 by OhForAGreavsie

[Vesper 30,118]

40 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Tell me the last 27 yr old to not have played in any of Europe's top leagues and delivered.

[King Kante 1,643]

20 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Or non-performances. I don't think he actually played a Premier League game. Or should I say, Google doesn't think so. 🙂

Should've read, last time he played in England. 

Essentially, the red flags come from him being at Brighton for four years and barely getting a chance, while his loans at Champo sides bore decent to good records. Let's not forget Brighton is a club (the key club of Tony Bloom's club network, no less) who are known to be highly data driven and prone to giving youngsters a chance. Him being there so long and not getting much of a sniff after multiple Champo loans is a serious reg flag. 

On top of this, his Champo seasons with Coventry, after being sold by Brighton, where decent but not septactular. He then went to Portugal and put in amazing numbers but this league is also known for churning out players like Darwin and Felix who flatter to decive. Essentially, he kind of screams Kezman. Of course, some players progress much later in their careers, but Gyokeres at £60m plus £250k+ a week for four-five years seems like a risk that you cannot get out of if it goes pear shaped (owing to his age.) 

Edited June 2 by King Kante

[Tomo 21,751]

4 hours ago, Pizy said:

As others in here have mentioned, it’s probably never a good sign when the supporters of the club aren’t bothered at all if a player is sold. Dortmund fans seem perfectly happy to see Gittens sold.

For me he feels like such a Spurs or Villa level signing where that sort of price is the highest they’ll go to and his level is all they can attract. Chelsea should be aiming much higher. 

All Gittens feels like he’d be here is expensive squad depth. And since that’s the case we may as well just keep Sancho for half the cost. 

From what I've seen it's more he doesn't suit their new system (that doesn't play with wide wingers) and the money can go on Jashari or Jobe Bellingham (who would) as opposed to thinking he's outright crap.

Not that he'd be my first choice, but still important context i feel.

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2 hours ago, King Kante said:

prime Yashin

[YorkshireBlue 3,268]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

£60m layout, £300kpw~, and 27 in two days. Not to mention his only productive seasons have come in Portugal. 

It shouldn't surprise anyone why people aren't jumping through hoops for him. Tell me the last 27 yr old to not have played in any of Europe's top leagues and delivered.

Lukakuu springs to mind in a way he had a few good seasons at West Brom, but at Utd and Chelsea was utter shite, went to the Italian league and it just suits him, some players find there level in other leagues and thrive, premier league isn’t for everyone, that’s one good thing I see about bringing these kids in young to play in the league.

[King Kante 1,643]

16 minutes ago, Tomo said:

From what I've seen it's more he doesn't suit their new system (that doesn't play with wide wingers) and the money can go on Jashari or Jobe Bellingham (who would) as opposed to thinking he's outright crap.

Not that he'd be my first choice, but still important context i feel.

I have seen a bit of him and he is more like RLC, where you look at him physically and see some nice moments and go 'wow, what a player,  If he puts it all together he will be unstoppable'. 

Problem is, he is essentially is a CM who doesn't track or have the vision to break lines with his passing but has some decent dribbling ability so gets put in a AM role where you hope he comes up against a smaller and not so fast FB so he can domiante them - however that is a tough ask in the PL. I mean, even in the bloody wide open Bundesliga he got found out when he got asked to stop doing 'kick and rush'/integrate into a managers specific system. 

Edited June 2 by King Kante

[Pizy 18,877]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

I personally believe he'd be a better signing than any winger we purchase during this window.

Have to agree unless we were to sign Nico Williams which looks highly unlikely. Think Mbuemo is going to thrive in all the games against the other big teams for United where you would assume they’ll have less of the ball and he can use his pace and aggression on counter attacks just like at Brentford. 

I wasn’t personally bothered whatsoever about them splashing on Cunha who is a good player. But Mbuemo I think will pretty scary if Amorim and their recruitment can nail this rebuild.

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

£60m layout, £300kpw~, and 27 in two days. Not to mention his only productive seasons have come in Portugal. 

It shouldn't surprise anyone why people aren't jumping through hoops for him. Tell me the last 27 yr old to not have played in any of Europe's top leagues and delivered.

Drogba counts? 🙂

I am not saying we should go for him, just surprised about news being quiet on him. Press indicated all top teams are all over him.

[LAM09 7,043]

22 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Lukakuu springs to mind in a way he had a few good seasons at West Brom, but at Utd and Chelsea was utter shite, went to the Italian league and it just suits him, some players find there level in other leagues and thrive, premier league isn’t for everyone, that’s one good thing I see about bringing these kids in young to play in the league.

You forgot to mention Everton as well. I feel like he needs to be "that guy", and that wasn't the case, especially during his second spell at Chelsea. Had we signed him during Conte's spell, he might have proven to be a decent signing, nothing more.

I agree with your evaluation, though. Some players can't handle the speed or high tempo matches while they are afforded breathers in La Liga or Serie A. The physical aspect isn't as important as it was 20 years ago, but it will be interesting to see if Estevao bulks up from Aug to the start of next year.

4 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Have to agree unless we were to sign Nico Williams which looks highly unlikely. Think Mbuemo is going to thrive in all the games against the other big teams for United where you would assume they’ll have less of the ball and he can use his pace and aggression on counter attacks just like at Brentford. 

I wasn’t personally bothered whatsoever about them splashing on Cunha who is a good player. But Mbuemo I think will pretty scary if Amorim and their recruitment can nail this rebuild.

Rogers would do. I just feel like will continue to buy Conference/EL standard players that might suit the likes of Tottenham rather than us. We need someone that will show a real sign of intent.

I do wonder what will happen with Diallo should this signing be confirmed. He's one player I actually rank from their squad.

1 minute ago, nyikolajevics said:

Drogba counts? 🙂

I am not saying we should go for him, just surprised about news being quiet on him. Press indicated all top teams are all over him.

Last time I checked, Ligue 1 was considered one of the top five leagues especially during that period when you had the likes of Ronaldinho plying their trade there.

The press will print anything for clicks.

[lluubbeenn 173]

I have seen some rumours about Mitrovic to united. He is nowhere near the profile our board looks at, but I think he could be a Giroud level signing. Not happening I know. Only an interesting option to talk about.

[lluubbeenn 173]

As for the talk that the board are better at identifying good attackers than defenders. It is really nearly impossible to buy 20 year old defenders and manage to construct a good defence. Experience and squad chemistry is needed to have a competent back line. You can have an individual moment of brilliance in attack that makes you look brilliant and covers mistakes. That is simply impossible for defenders. 

[Mário César 1,249]

lol