TheHulk 2,463 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vesper said: Renato Veiga 7.6 – Superb performance from the Chelsea loanee. Tough to beat Physically and composed on the ball (88% passing accuracy via Sofascore). MOTM as a CB Shut down Inter in a 1 nil victory With each passing day we get to see more and more Maresca is nothing but a championship manager and that's it. Edited February 16 by TheHulk Reddish-Blue, bigbluewillie and mkh 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Strike said: Weird how he was handled. Was a good pickup - glad it's only a dry loan. His physicality would have been of use in defense or midfield. His character is rare for someone his age too. If you watched any of derby, you'd have seen him shouting at his teammates. He's been there for 5 seconds and is already leading his team (I do wonder in what language, tho). Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 11 hours ago, Strike said: Weird how he was handled. Was a good pickup - glad it's only a dry loan. His physicality would have been of use in defense or midfield. It is more than a dry loan, it's an opportunity for him to prove himself to other European clubs with a view to permanent transfer. We're struggling in defense and we allow him to go on a dry loan in January? Good move by his agent, put your player in the transfer window and force Chelsea to make a decision in the summer, either play him or sell him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 10 hours ago, TheHulk said: With each passing day we get to see more and more Maresca is nothing but a championship manager and that's it. But don't worry, we'll get to see Sancho and Nkunku walking around the pitch doing f*ck all for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Nkunku is a superb footballer, you just don't go from top quality at Leipzig to what we are seeing now...he has simply down tools since he was left on the bench for god knows how long. He wants away and has jacked it in bigbluewillie and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,278 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 ofc we will lose santos and veiga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,491 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said: It is more than a dry loan, it's an opportunity for him to prove himself to other European clubs with a view to permanent transfer. We're struggling in defense and we allow him to go on a dry loan in January? Good move by his agent, put your player in the transfer window and force Chelsea to make a decision in the summer, either play him or sell him. Yes, I'm just glad there's no buy option or obligation involved. He can come back and be useful for the XI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,195 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 5 hours ago, LAM09 said: His character is rare for someone his age too. If you watched any of derby, you'd have seen him shouting at his teammates. He's been there for 5 seconds and is already leading his team (I do wonder in what language, tho). He speaks 5 lauguages fluently (English, Portuguese, Spanish, French, Arabic) and passable Italian and German. LAM09 and bigbluewillie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) Veiga will be signed by Juventus I feel. Clearly he is making a massive impression already and they are in the race for European football. I think around 25m euros and a sell on clause would probably be seen as enough for the club. I’d also imagine staying at Juventus would be a massive lure, not to mention he’s played as a CB mainly since going there which is what he see’s himself as in the long run. Definitely could have played minutes ahead of Colwill there for us but not sure what the thing was with Maresca. Reports were that it was discipline related. Then that he didn’t want the player - like many we recruited in the summer….. Or mix of both? Edited February 17 by OneMoSalah Reddish-Blue and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,491 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Veiga will be signed by Juventus I feel. Clearly he is making a massive impression already and they are in the race for European football. I think around 25m euros and a sell on clause would probably be seen as enough for the club. I’d also imagine staying at Juventus would be a massive lure, not to mention he’s played as a CB mainly since going there which is what he see’s himself as in the long run. Definitely could have played minutes ahead of Colwill there for us but not sure what the thing was with Maresca. Reports were that it was discipline related. Then that he didn’t want the player - like many we recruited in the summer….. Or mix of both? Reintegrate Veiga and Santos into the squad in the summer. bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkh 596 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 💭We are in serious trouble with Maresca!!!🤐🙉 🗨Last time Maresca went through a difficult run was when he was at Parma not too long ago. Here’s a passionate assessment from a Parma fan. Many Parma fans echoed similar sentiments at the time. Notice how strikingly similar it is to today. Where to start... Maresca, by now, is totally disconnected from the reality of the facts and each of his comments is self-referential. The project, set in the summer in words, which spoke of purposeful play and domain of the field remained objectively only in the comments of the coach, without any trace on the playing field. Here, the further you go, the more the players give the feeling of not knowing what to do with the ball and also how to move without the ball. Some small mitigating factors can be given to the coach, talking about a market that is anything but optimal, in which many young people have still been taken from abroad and only Coulibaly gives the impression of being up to the task. Of the young people of last year, who in theory should have been the most prepared as they had already settled in, are doing well, in alternating phases only the 2 Romanians and Brunetta Personally, I have a very annoying feeling that Krause and Ribalta have taken the piss out of us talking about the championship to win and go back to A, however, in this frustration, there is also a lot of Maresca. If a coach has only one game proposal in mind, without ever considering the slightest variation, then it means that he is limited to the improbable and we already had one like that last year (or rather 2) and we know how it ended. Mmmmhhh....l'm afraid it's more of a systematic thing, which repeats itself identically, with the famous marescans story of the full-back who then goes to be the centre of the midfield and that when the others start again and know that ifthey attack you on the righthe has not yet returned to his position and then there to defend he must go with the results that we are seeing the attacking outside. I repeat . I would postpone these experiments to later, when the mechanism is oiled.. 4 months he managed to completely atrophy the team, that little agonism seen in Frosinone and with Benevento disappeared as the days went by. There was talk of game domination and ball turnover but we can't even win possession against a team in 10. We lost 2 months with the flying full-back it cost us points and time and the result was to put the full-backs back in their place. I've never seen a team with so little desire to win, so soft and so mean we play as if we were due everything. In front you don't pass the ball even dead, with the outsiders with inverted feet that come back ALL the fucking times we are very predictable and under goal we are soft as shit. Ah, I think the exchange management is one of the worst ever seen in Parma: you take down a bad Man (the only one able to skip the man anyway) to put on an 18- year-old who barely walks. Mister 20mln enters and can't even hold a ball for more than 2 seconds, regularly anticipated and perpetually offside. We all know how it will end, he will be dismissed shortly after the umpteenth defeat against a bad squad that will surely field at least the desire to win. Applause. Investing in a real coach who was a football master and put the roast before the smoke, acting as a compass in difficult moments especially with a team of boys, a wannabe was chosen who as a resume only had being Pellegrini's assistant and having a coffee with Guardiola and that maybe he will become a great coach but who at the moment he has a lot to learn and who in eight days, in addition to having exposed strange things that are difficult to implement at a tactical level, he was wrapped up by almost everyone he met. For his and our good 1 hope they get better, but to date it's handicap and not even for a little. When asked if he expected to be at this point or hoped for better, he answers "| expected to be at this point": no game, no results. When you say play it and sing it alone. This, for me, won't even centre the playoffs and, maybe, with a crescendo season finale, he will say: next year... (too bad that next year we start from a -30 M) Ah.. for the record: he's already starting the unloading, because he's already said that the U23 guys feel too much pressure to play with the Parma shirt. Of course it is... Krause has made a lot of mistakes, including that of hiring Maresca, but to think that he is really the one who dictates the delirious choices of the technician is bordering on the grotesque. Unfortunately, Enzino doesn't need councillors to do one shit in a row, he can do it perfectly independently... Greetings. but among the various shits of the prophet there was pure that this summer of not doing background work to put physical preparation in the legs. I only work with the ball. The new prophet, all the others are stupid.. But everyone arrives on the ball before us and goes twice as much.. Here, there is one thing that literally drives me crazy: since the beginning of last year we have been athletically inferior to ANYONE. In whatever area of the field we arrive later on the ball, we never manage to speed up an action, if a ball is in the air the others take it, ALWAYS. We are stuffed with young people who should be physically overflowing, instead not only do they not know where the fuck to go, but they are also slow. Seeing Parma, frankly, for a (nice) while is an agony. This coach apparently doesn't work at all on the players' heads, and not even too much on the athletic aspect A lot of technique and a bit of tactics. That's fine if you train the chicks. Maresca is disappointing me a lot, zero personality, zero high pressing, zero hunger. Strange because as a footballer I remembered the exact opposite. Well, but that the fish stinks from the head reveals him ad abundantiam the same choice of someone who to this day is not a coach and who has been regularly destroyed on a tactical level by at least 7 of the opposing coaches faced, who may not have had coffee with Guardiola, but in their most humble apprenticeships in the Pro League they proved to be less arrogant and opposing than him. Maresca is a coach in the making, maybe he becomes a phenomenon, but today even poor Apolloni is his grandfather, both tactically and in managing the game. It's no longer his fault, but of those who put him believing that having done all-in with the youth teams of one of the strongest teams in circulation was indicative that this was a phenomenon and even worse he is doing in keeping him in the saddle despite being clearly inadequate, yet another shit beaten by this arrogant moron.. You heard the exact same thing from Leicester City fans after Maresca left. City's U23s have no fans⛔️⛔️ 🗯The same thing is happening now at Chelsea and he has learned nothing from his previous mistakes‼️‼️ Edited February 18 by mkh Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkh 596 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Simon Phillips reported the following yesterday: Chelsea hierarchy unhappy and concerned with recent results There is some pressure Despite what you read in the media at the moment, there is certainly some pressure building at Chelsea at the moment. The pressure is growing on Enzo Maresca to get results again. I heard this weekend from some sources that the club's board are “unhappy and concerned” about the recent results and very disappointed that the performance of the team and Maresca has dropped off after a good start to the season. Some at the top of the club are “confused” about the recent performances and results after what they saw as a very good start to the season. Every club has contingency plans for coaches in case something unprecedented happens, and Chelsea are no different. It's perfectly normal for them to have a shortlist of coaches that they communicate with and keep an eye on in case they want a change. Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 12 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Definitely could have played minutes ahead of Colwill there for us but not sure what the thing was with Maresca. Reports were that it was discipline related. Then that he didn’t want the player - like many we recruited in the summer….. Or mix of both? Who does Maresca actually want though? Apparently he didn't want Felix at all, then changed his mind on KDH after spending 30 million on him to bring him here (would have gone to Spurs), gets zero production out of Nkunku, told Chalobah he isn't needed and then proceeds to bring him back from Palace and play him every other game... This guy seems like a Championship manager, no different to Lampard. mkh and TheHulk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 43 minutes ago, mkh said: Simon Phillips reported the following yesterday: Chelsea hierarchy unhappy and concerned with recent results There is some pressure Despite what you read in the media at the moment, there is certainly some pressure building at Chelsea at the moment. The pressure is growing on Enzo Maresca to get results again. I heard this weekend from some sources that the club's board are “unhappy and concerned” about the recent results and very disappointed that the performance of the team and Maresca has dropped off after a good start to the season. Some at the top of the club are “confused” about the recent performances and results after what they saw as a very good start to the season. Every club has contingency plans for coaches in case something unprecedented happens, and Chelsea are no different. It's perfectly normal for them to have a shortlist of coaches that they communicate with and keep an eye on in case they want a change. This is good, if the players want Maresca to stick around, they will give it a go on the pitch. If they want to down tools, Maresca will be gone by end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkh 596 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 🗯Next Simon Phillips Report: Sources: Some key Chelsea players getting restless with recent form. Of course some of the players out there need to do more right now to over turn this poor form we are in, but even still, there are some key Chelsea players who are getting pretty restless right now, sources can confirm via those close to more than a handful of regular starters. players are on long contracts, there are some contracts that have certain clauses that mean that if a club comes in with an offer above a certain amount and Chelsea do not qualify for the Champions League, then they have to accept it. Some of the clauses are different and involve certain restrictions and finer details, but in some of the players contracts right now, such clauses do exist. This means that some of them are not untouchable. Sources have confirmed that many of the current Chelsea players in the squad have either become unhappy with playing time and have been looking to leave as a result of that, or have become restless with recent results and are therefore thinking about their futures come the end of this season. These players want to play Champions League football, and I have heard from top sources that if they do not get that come the end of THIS season, there will be a few key players approaching the club to speak about their futures and potentially asking for moves away. Of course, they may not get said moves away and there will be a lot of other things that depend on it, such as clauses, or if they even have them. But I know of one top Chelsea player in particular who is already now considering his future at the club should they not make Champions League football this season. 🤐🚑🚑🚑 Edited February 18 by mkh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Players are getting restless with the current form? Yet it is those fuckers causing it..... Vesper, Mhsc and mkh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 14 hours ago, Strike said: Reintegrate Veiga and Santos into the squad in the summer. I think Santos will be integrated for sure but Veiga not so much. Mainly as the club seem to be firm believers in Badiashile over the long run based off various reports. Maresca also reportedly not wanting Veiga, usually playing him as a LB, the issues with discipline and him now going and playing his preferred position at a big club like Juventus, makes it incredibly more difficult for us to keep him IMO. If we change manager, maybe more of a chance but I am 90% certain he will be off. But I think at the same time, whilst he has started well at Juventus that it is not an absolute given he will be this elite level player. Remains to be seen. But I think we will sell. mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I wouldn’t read too much into that PR brief on Maresca.. they know a protest is coming snd sre trying to pretend they give s fuck now.. literally the other day they said there is zero pressure on Maresca and they are happy with his progress and tactics ect. I wouldnt trust a word of these journos any more.. they are all on Clownlakes payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,195 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Chelsea agree to loan Deivid Washington to Santos https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6142173/2025/02/17/Chelsea-deivid-washington-santos-loan/ Chelsea have agreed to loan striker Deivid Washington to his former club Santos for the 2025 season. Washington, who was part of the Brazil side which won the Under-20 South America Championship over the weekend, is now expected to play alongside Neymar at Santos to continue his development. The league season in Brazil starts on March 29 and ends on December 21, but Chelsea have installed a break clause which can be triggered in the English summer. There is also no option to buy included and Santos will pay his salary. There is no loan fee involved. Washington has made just three substitute appearances for the first team since joining from Santos for €16m (plus €4m in add-ons) in August 2023. Neymar, 33, agreed to join Santos on a six-month deal after the former Barcelona forward mutually agreed to terminate his contract with Saudi club Al Hilal. Meanwhile, Kendry Paez has arrived at the club’s training base to start a period of acclimatising to European football ahead of officially completing a transfer to Chelsea in the summer. Chelsea agreed a fee (including add-ons) with Independiente del Valle in 2023 when he was just 16. He cannot formally complete the transfer until he turns 18, with his birthday coming in May. But FIFA rules do allow him to spend some time at the club beforehand to have a period of adaption, as long as he doesn’t play for the club. Paez playing for Ecuador in a World Cup qualifier last year (Franklin Jacome/Getty Images) This is just the start of his experience and he is expected to remain in Europe rather than go back to play for Independiente del Valle, which is what he has been doing since negotiations were completed.Like Washington, Paez was also at the Under-20 South America Championships. He captained the side at the tournament but they were knocked out in the first group stage. GO DEEPER Kendry Paez, Ecuador's Chelsea-bound sensation: 'The bigger the challenge, the better he gets' (Top photo: Chris Lee – Chelsea FC/Chelsea FC via Getty Images) mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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