Chelsea Transfers

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6 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I think the new wage structure was recently put in place because of players like Sterling and Koulibaly. These owners don’t want to get burned again by giving players that turn out to be huge disappointments £300k a week.

Players like Enzo, Caicedo, etc were brought in and put on “reasonable” (by todays standard) wages when traditionally these mega transfer fee players would be only more than double what we have them on. If we suddenly hand Osimhen £250k per week I can imagine some of the others being annoyed.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d still pay what it takes for the right player. But it’s not without risk.

The difference & more were paid in their inflated transfer fees. Either you overpay where fees are concerned or give out bumper contracts (free agent market is huge). There is no way this approach can be sustained. There will eventually be something that gives. All I can hope for is that it doesn't result in players leaving, as I stated above.

Everything is a risk. However, some risks are worth taking.

[TheHulk 2,447]

Are we even linked to Alvarez, if so he shits all over Oshimhen that's for sure. Honestly the only reason I'd like that bang average Oshimhen is to avoid getting complete turds like Samu otherwise he is waste of money as well.

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26 minutes ago, Hamilton said:

 

I'd take Moukoko over Oshimhen and Samu any day.

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3 hours ago, KEVINAA said:

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Are we collecting goalkeepers? What happened with Slonina.

[mkh 587]

🚨 #Chelsea have submitted an opening proposal worth €15m (£12.7m), including performance-related add-ons for Gremio attacking midfielder Gabriel Mec.

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32 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Are we collecting goalkeepers? What happened with Slonina.

The keeper ahead of Slonina in the Olympic USMNT is really average. He is however keeping Slonina on the bench during the Olympics.

[Vegetable 830]

2 hours ago, Pizy said:

I think the new wage structure was recently put in place because of players like Sterling and Koulibaly. These owners don’t want to get burned again by giving players that turn out to be huge disappointments £300k a week.

 

Let me rephrase this - the new wage structure, actively hurting our potential due to it being overconservative and bightonizing us even further,  was put in place due to owners carelessness to put it lightly, as they were personally deciding to hand out way too high contracts to players who were not worth it and it was visible to anyone remotely watching football from time to time. I think our new owners trying to save the club from themselves is a generally sound idea, but the execution should be prioritized elsewhere.

 

By the way, I find the club trying to cap the wages at midtable level and, at the same time, burning tens of millions buying some random, overpaid players with doubtful potential absolutely ridiculous mode of operation. What is even the point? (even from cynical, business-only standpoint)

Edited July 29, 2024 by Vegetable

[Pizy 18,907]

8 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Let me rephrase this - the new wage structure, actively hurting our potential due to it being overconservative and bightonizing us even further,  was put in place due to owners idiocy, as they were personally deciding to hand out way too high contracts to players who were not worth it and it was visible to anyone remotely watching football from time to time. I think our new owners trying to save the club from themselves is a generally sound idea, but the execution should be prioritized elsewhere.

 

By the way, I find the club trying to cap the wages at midtable level and, at the same time, burning tens of millions buying some random, overpaid players with doubtful potential absolutely ridiculous mode of operation. What is even the point? (even from cynical, business-only standpoint)

I think the owners want to turn us into one of those clubs like Dortmund or Benfica or yes, Brighton who buy these young talents for low fees and mould them into £100m players. Just on a much bigger scale since we aren’t a club that’ll be forced to sell those players when and if they do blossom into superstars.

It seems like scattershot madness right now when it’s in its infancy but if in a few years from now Estevão, Paez, Anselmino, etc are all starting for us the club will look like geniuses. Nobody really has patience anymore so it’s difficult now to see the big picture.

As for the wages we offer, apart from the two Manchester clubs I don’t think anyone else really pays mega wages. I’d bet our highest earners under this new wages structure (about £120-150k) are comparable to what the best players at Arse, Spuds, Liverpool etc are earning. You’ll have your odd superstar like Salah on far more but I doubt Liverpool for example are offering new signings any more than we are. 

[Vegetable 830]

4 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I think the owners want to turn us into one of those clubs like Dortmund or Benfica or yes, Brighton who buy these young talents for low fees and mould them into £100m players.

This is reasonable thinking, however in my simple man's mind you need to buy cheap and sell for big money for it to work. If we are buying mediocre talents for thrice their worth to start with and still need to write off those who will fail (and it might be some and might be most of them) I understand the owners bet on average footballer's price doubling or tripling in next 3-5 years for the numbers to add up. Plus if we will somehow manage to create a superstar, shouldn't the club of our format just… well, keep him? I guess the flipping model comes mainly to selling mid-to-low tier players to mid-to-low table clubs, so the max selling price is limited too. Or we are openly going to become midtable feeder club, who knows.

In terms of wages, well, I do not endorse the buy-to-win model of PSG or City, but pretty much the only way we could compete with oil money clubs without going full plastic was ability to make things happen if needed to, like a little cheeky joker card. If we are limiting ourselves to mediocre players (or worse, as I can't really see any player who came here under Clearlake who'd I call smart business or a steal, at least on Marina's level) by principle, it's a highway to become Arsenal or United type of club, stuck in B-tier and unable to jump forward, so pretty much what we were left with after CL win. I take Pool out of this equation as it was a freaky product of smart management, process, talent, mentality and luck and I don't believe it's possible to replicate in our circumstances. 

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27 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

it's a highway to become Arsenal or United type of club, stuck in B-tier and unable to jump forward, so pretty much what we were left with after CL win. I take Pool out of this equation as it was a freaky product of smart management, process, talent, mentality and luck and I don't believe it's possible to replicate in our circumstances. 

Well, I can easily see Arsenal winning major trophies in the next couple of years. CL can go either way but expect them to overcome Liverpool's 'success' under Klopp in PL. Under Klopp Pool have one title and two second places. Arsenal under Arteta is already two times runner up. Title is missing but they are there and will take it eventually. They are really exciting club right now and not popular thing to say here but if you are neutral they are cutest thing in the world football now. 

Edited July 29, 2024 by NikkiCFC

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Edited July 29, 2024 by mkh

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8 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Title is missing but they are there and will take it eventually. They are really exciting club right now

I always look forward to no-City (or similar type of thing that will emerge in the future) winning the league but I see a lot of our past struggles in them. Of course, reasons are different and circumstances are different, but the effect is similar - always lacking the extra edge. And that extra edge is a difference between being elite and being top always 2-6, been everywhere, lost everything. We could have at least few more cups in cabinet if not that little extra edge. Arsenal is definitely a process, but if they will bounce once more, it may as well go back to hovering around 2-6 and falling apart. Some times an extra kick is needed aside of hard work, but this is completely off topic as we would have to have some solid ground work in place to talk about extra edge and after three years we are still pretty much dragging around the starting point. Still my point was if there is and opportunity to snap some transformative figure (but like seriously, not the Enzo-supposedly-transformative type) we shouldn't deny ourselves to do so for the sake of it. The saying Penny wise, Pound foolish come from somewhere I guess.

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1 hour ago, Vegetable said:

This is reasonable thinking, however in my simple man's mind you need to buy cheap and sell for big money for it to work. If we are buying mediocre talents for thrice their worth to start with and still need to write off those who will fail (and it might be some and might be most of them) I understand the owners bet on average footballer's price doubling or tripling in next 3-5 years for the numbers to add up. Plus if we will somehow manage to create a superstar, shouldn't the club of our format just… well, keep him? I guess the flipping model comes mainly to selling mid-to-low tier players to mid-to-low table clubs, so the max selling price is limited too. Or we are openly going to become midtable feeder club, who knows.

In terms of wages, well, I do not endorse the buy-to-win model of PSG or City, but pretty much the only way we could compete with oil money clubs without going full plastic was ability to make things happen if needed to, like a little cheeky joker card. If we are limiting ourselves to mediocre players (or worse, as I can't really see any player who came here under Clearlake who'd I call smart business or a steal, at least on Marina's level) by principle, it's a highway to become Arsenal or United type of club, stuck in B-tier and unable to jump forward, so pretty much what we were left with after CL win. I take Pool out of this equation as it was a freaky product of smart management, process, talent, mentality and luck and I don't believe it's possible to replicate in our circumstances. 

TBF, clearlake have already submitted evidence against us from the previous owner and we have absolutely no idea what the books looked like, maybe they have to go down this road for the time being.

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[Special Juan 28,141]

The club are now in direct talks with Atletico for Gallagher

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Just now, Special Juan said:

The club are now in direct talks with Atletico for Gallagher

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I can understand the sale. Connor, like Mount, is a limited midfielder. Can keeep him here only as backup. 

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9 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Well, I can easily see Arsenal winning major trophies in the next couple of years. CL can go either way but expect them to overcome Liverpool's 'success' under Klopp in PL. Under Klopp Pool have one title and two second places. Arsenal under Arteta is already two times runner up. Title is missing but they are there and will take it eventually. They are really exciting club right now and not popular thing to say here but if you are neutral they are cutest thing in the world football now. 

Arsenal transfer targets this summer is Calafiori, Fabian Ruiz, Mikel Merino, Gyokeres. They’re a serious team and much better than Chelsea in all departments right now. 

[Wise Old Man 38]

9 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Well, I can easily see Arsenal winning major trophies in the next couple of years. CL can go either way but expect them to overcome Liverpool's 'success' under Klopp in PL. Under Klopp Pool have one title and two second places. Arsenal under Arteta is already two times runner up. Title is missing but they are there and will take it eventually. They are really exciting club right now and not popular thing to say here but if you are neutral they are cutest thing in the world football now. 

Second place is the first loser and they didn’t come runners up with 97 points like Liverpool or make multiple champions league finals. They are rubbish and won’t win anything