Special Juan 28,140 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Sounds like Sabitzer is close to United and we are focused on other targets according to Romano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Think a lot of that is clouded by the fact we weakened a position that was already in a terrible state by selling Jorginho whilst bringing in no one. I think the bigger picture needs looking at. Chances of us either winning the Champions League or making top 4 are probably at best about 20%. Most people have wanted us to get rid of Jorginho for years, and we now have an option to take £12m for a player who we'd expected was leaving for nothing anyway. It's a great deal that we have to run with in my opinion. If we're left a little short for now, so be it. Give one of the young players a go in there. Personally I'd have no problem giving Webster a couple of games whilst we're still waiting on players to come back from injury if we're short on players in there. Muzchap and OhForAGreavsie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashishi 148 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Is enzo off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 43 minutes ago, TheHulk said: Coming here right when it looks like the deal is in collapse, I'm sure his intentions we're pure.. That poster joined almost 4 weeks ago and has not been a troll. Muzchap and OhForAGreavsie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,140 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Matt Law reporting we are going to have meet the clause head on or shorten the structured payments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,098 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Not sure what to think, if the number on offer is agreeable and they just want it upfront I assume we can sort that. Do not believe we will trigger clause+tax under any circumstances, so if that is the real deal then this whole thing is off but if that were true we would not have been there or 2 days negotiating. Most likely there is some way to still get him but if the club have given up fair enough, it is a lot of money and a lot of risk so they have to do what feels right on balance to them. It is money once spent we can't spend elsewhere after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Superblue said: I think the bigger picture needs looking at. Chances of us either winning the Champions League or making top 4 are probably at best about 20%. Most people have wanted us to get rid of Jorginho for years, and we now have an option to take £12m for a player who we'd expected was leaving for nothing anyway. It's a great deal that we have to run with in my opinion. If we're left a little short for now, so be it. Give one of the young players a go in there. Personally I'd have no problem giving Webster a couple of games whilst we're still waiting on players to come back from injury if we're short on players in there. Lol who is Webster ? Is this amateur hour? We are world champions NikkiCFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Hashishi said: Is enzo off? It is not looking so good atm, subject to change. We are all flying pretty blind. I would say it is 60/40 no deal for him atm. There has been so much fake news and rumours since the WC tgat it is really hard to suss it all out. OhForAGreavsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,140 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 It's going to get to a point when the clock ticks later that it's shit or bust- but if we are backing away it will be any time soon to start dealing with other options. xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just take it or leave it, we need time to look for someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Yea, it's not happening. Ahhh I really thought I was going to wake up today to see him holding the Chelsea shirt up. Oh well. Who now then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) Will be a meltdown on here if it doesn’t happen for whatever reason and somebody else goes and signs Enzo in the summer 😂 I think this transfer this month has been built up as its now or never (as in January only) and I would totally agree that it’s that sense. We 100% won’t get a clean run at him in the summer and will be outside the CL spots undoubtedly so I don’t think he will move here come the summer. We better hope there is a plan B, and has Jorginho officially moved to Arsenal or not? Edited January 31, 2023 by OneMoSalah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, TheHulk said: The owners are so delusional think everyone knew 6 installments was to much from the get go, how about you offer something that's eye catching for them instead of this shit. I don't suppose we will ever get to read the full facts of this negotiation, but would I love to see them. I simply do not believe that the structure of the payments matters a fig to Chelsea's owners. As @Vesper pointed out in an earlier post, the numbers being discussed are trivial amounts to them. All that matters is what fits, or doesn't fit, for FFP accounting. The clause, if formally triggered, means no FFP amortisation and that, we must infer from Chelsea's behaviour, means we would fail FFP. On the other hand, a 'standard' transfer, regardless of whether we pay it all up front, or in instalments, can be amortised for FFP accounting. The standard transfer, we must infer again, would mean that Chelsea can pass FFP. Edited January 31, 2023 by OhForAGreavsie Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) So we sell Jorginho and no Enzo 😂 another panic loan deal aka Saul/Zakaria Edited January 31, 2023 by milka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,140 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 If we don't get him today we will never get him OneMoSalah, Vesper and Pepic95 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, lucio said: Lol who is Webster ? Is this amateur hour? We are world champions Charlie's a decent player. Not I think a great one, but decent. Muzchap and lucio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vytis33 1,276 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I'm picturing Todd's negotiation going like this so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: They can't prevent us triggering the clause that is correct obviously. What they can do, and I believe are (or were) doing, is to point out that a 'standard' transfer, even for an amount above the clause figure, can actually cost Chelsea less because of the tax implications. That is already better for The Blues, even without the advantage that comes from being able to amortise the accounting of a standard transfer fee for FFP reporting. They can argue that it would therefore be in Chelsea's interests to pay a higher figure specifically to avoid the clause, and they would be right. This is what I believe is behind those reports which have claimed the we offered more than €120m. The latest number I've seen quoted (in this thread) is £115m, which is well north of €120m of course. Yes, I also said as much (about the taxes). Cheers Edited January 31, 2023 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said: Just take it or leave it, we need time to look for someone else. If we want someone else as a plan B, then we've already looked. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 8 hours, 53 minutes left Tick tock guddy69 and OhForAGreavsie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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