Chelsea Transfers

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1 hour ago, Blue Armour said:

I think the difference in Mount's form this season is more than just his padded stats. There was a time when him not being in the team made a big difference, leading to Tuchel making him a guaranteed starter. And it's not like he hasn't delivered against big teams, ever.  But let's agree to disagree. He's in terrible form right now and that we can all agree on. It's on him to fix that.

I'm still not sure about Gallagher., as I don't know if his technical limitations can be fixed. But I agree he can be a decent squad player. I just don't think he is anyway better than Mount.

And during that time, he also had the likes of Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho controlling the midfield.  As I said, him being a guaranteed starter was only because he was a good fit on the wing for Tuchel's tactics with a class midfield behind him. 

The problem moving forward will be utilizing Mudyrk, Nkunku, possibly Felix in attack....which leaves Mount as the odd man out.  Haven't seen a single game where Mount has actually influenced the game from midfield. 

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36 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

The best squads have the best players though. I mean listen to yourself. Do you think at City Stones, Dias, Laporte accept not playing every week? Do you think Grealish, Mahrez, Foden, Silva accept not playing every week? Do you think ANY top player accepts not playing every week? The ones who are under 30 and are willing to sit on the bench/rarely play are the worst ones because they don’t ever go on to achieve anything as they never push themselves. Hence why RLC has never ever kicked on, he should have left the club permanently years ago but he would rather sit, have maybe 6-8 starts a season and make £150k a week.

Nkunku coming in also means its doubtful Felix will stay IMO, because again, unless we sell Mount why would he stay? Nkunku and Felix are both 10s/second strikers. Why spend 63m on Nkunku only to go and spend 70-80m on Felix in the summer (although who knows with Boehly)? I mean the Felix staying logic is coming from people seeming to think we wont try sign a CF in the summer also, which we likely will. Also Felix has played 45 mins for Chelsea so lets see how the next 5 months play out, his career is still very much up in the air in terms of his consistency, he’s not done a great deal the past 2 season.

Proven right? Why because Connor did good in the championship? Then had a good season at Palace? Didn’t Loftus-Cheek also do good at Palace and barring 12 weeks here struggle/not do anything of note? Yes he was selected for the World Cup but he was a surprise selection I think thats fair to say. Ruben also went to the 2018 WC after a good season with Palace too and again was a surprise selection, so does that mean anything? And hows that 6 months struggling excuse not the same for Mount then (not like we’ve particularly great or consistent when he’s been in the team barring a good spell with Tuchel) and also again, Mount had a good season in the championship with Derby prior to being integrated here 🤣

Honestly it just seems as if the excuse suits for some but not others. 6 PL starts or not, it is clear to see he is not ready/good enough to play for Chelsea. That much is clear. You just have some sort of agenda against Mount. Clearly.

And the money logic is even more stupid, the club isn’t going to evaporate into thin air if we give Mason around the same wages Reece got, or a bit more, is it? 🤣 I mean we’ve got guys like CHO and RLC on 150k a week, Koulibaly is apparently on nearly 300k a week, Sterlings on 325k a week apparently, Lukaku was on 325k a week. 

But he is considerably better? How is it weird to say? CG looks like a rabbit in the headlights playing for us. He might run about but his personality and technical ability on the ball, he is well out of his depth. I mean playing well for Palace means nothing, look at RLC he had a “good season” there hows his career fared?

He might come good true eventually true but Mount, who had double figure goals and assists last season, is a much better player. Not sure how its even a debate.

And again, funny you mention the English youngsters at City/Arsenal, Mount is much closer to them than Connor is ability wise and always will be.

I like how you had to bring up Gallagher at the end of your point just to inflate Mount's value once more.  Not sure why you're trying to compare starting quality youngsters like Saka/Foden to a young English squad player like Gallagher...that's comparing apples to oranges.  

At the end of the day, let's put it this way, if Mount stays here as a starter, we won't be better than a top 4 side for years to come (I highly doubt he would accept a squad role).   
 

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12 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

He will have one more year left on contract in the summer. I think 35-40m should do it. 

Also I just checked Liverpool players salaries and cannot see them giving him more than 150k. They are way more conservative than us in that department. 

Selling Mount for £35-40m is probably the worst post I have seen in the last 2 to 3 months. Utter madness.

SMDH

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https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/gusto-signs-for-Chelsea

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28 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Selling Mount for £35-40m is probably the worst post I have seen in the last 2 to 3 months. Utter madness.

SMDH

Players with one year left on contract are usually half the price than if they have let's say 3 or 4 years. 

If Enzo doesn't have rc and is one year left on contract he would also be max 50m. 

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That’s our business done I’d say.

Overall I think I’d give this January window an 7/10. Completely refreshed a stale attack in a single window, bought a young CB that I was skeptical about but has instantly settled, and have now made sure the RB position is locked down for years to come.

Would’ve bumped it up to 8/10 if we could’ve brought Gusto in immediately and a 10/10 if we could’ve pulled off an Enzo deal. But those two scenarios appeared impossible due to the selling clubs.

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6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Players with one year left on contract are usually half the price than if they have let's say 3 or 4 years. 

If Enzo doesn't have rc and is one year left on contract he would also be max 50m. 

Mount is a homegrown English Sr National team starter, so 10-15m easy in 'English tax'

you are saying all we can get, minus that 'English tax' (extra cost to clubs for English players, we pay it all the time, all clubs do, people who try and deny it exists are not operating in good faith)

is £20m to £25m, 30m or so in the pure transfer fee part????

laughable

you have long had a massive agenda against Mount (I invite all to go look at the Mount thread, up and down it, you slagged him off even when he was at our multiple POTY level), so your opinion is extremely biased and tainted anyway

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53 minutes ago, MetsajCFC said:

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/gusto-signs-for-Chelsea

Malo Gusto has completed a permanent move to Chelsea from Lyon.

The exciting 19-year-old right-back has signed a contract at Stamford Bridge to summer 2030 and heads back to France for the remainder of the current campaign to continue with Lyon in Ligue 1, where he has made 15 league appearances.

Gusto, who has been capped at Under-21 level by France, progressed through the youth ranks at Lyon and made his senior debut in January 2021.

The following season was a breakthrough for the attack-minded full-back, becoming a regular for Lyon both domestically and in Europe. He registered four assists in 30 Ligue 1 appearances, while also helping his side reach the quarter-finals of the Europa League.

That fine form has continued this campaign under the stewardship of Laurent Blanc, with Gusto a key part of the OL backline as they sit in 8th place in the French top flight.

The defender will now continue his impressive progress on loan at the Groupama Stadium before joining up with the Blues in the summer ahead of the new campaign.

Chelsea would like to thank Lyon for enabling Malo to take up this new opportunity.

Welcome to Stamford Bridge, Malo!

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7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Mount is a homegrown English Sr National team starter, so 10-15m easy in 'English tax'

you are saying all we can get, minus that 'English tax' (extra cost to clubs for English players, we pay it all the time, all clubs do, people who try and deny it exists are not operating in good faith)

is £20m to £25m, 30m or so in the pure transfer fee part????

laughable

you have long had a massive agenda against Mount (I invite all to go look at the Mount thread, up and down it, you slagged him off even when he was at our multiple POTY level), so your opinion is extremely biased and tainted anyway

You wrote at least 200 posts complaining why Marina didn't sell Courtois for 70-80m year before and we had to sell one of the best GKs in the world for 35m with one year left on contract. What do you think would be Mount price with one year left on contract and also with 3 or 4? 

And I see thousands of people having the same opinion on Mount as me all the time. Especially this season I feel it's like 90%. But don't know why is this again topic. 

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3 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Players cannot improve their innate technical ability. They can only learn to make better use of what they have. Remember when people were telling us that Rom had been doing extra training with Conte and had improved his? The Messi principle applies; if players could improve their innate technical level, then why wouldn't they all just keep practicing until they became Lionel Messi?

I am not wading into the Gallagher argument (I am biased, I say sell him)

BUT

culture, environment and training definitely plays a role in technical ability

it is NOT just something you are born with or not

look at tiny football-obsessed nations like Uruguay, The Netherlands, Belgium, and Croatia

who put out very technical players all the time

and compared them to the rough beast in the West:

America and its 334 million people, millions of whom are extremely athletic, yet no footie culture like those small  football factory nations

The USA has the biggest pool of super athletes ever in 5 plus million years of human/hominid history, they have the best tech, the most disposable resources, yet their football and footballers are SHIT becuase the culture from birth is not there

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

3 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I like how you had to bring up Gallagher at the end of your point just to inflate Mount's value once more.  Not sure why you're trying to compare starting quality youngsters like Saka/Foden to a young English squad player like Gallagher...that's comparing apples to oranges.  

At the end of the day, let's put it this way, if Mount stays here as a starter, we won't be better than a top 4 side for years to come (I highly doubt he would accept a squad role).   
 

Well how did we manage to win the CL with him as a key player who delivered big performances and big contributions in key games if he is that bad 😂

The whole point of these posts have been comparing Mount to Gallagher in terms of keeping them/who would accept what squad roles/their wages/value etc so if your going then going to bring up Saka and Foden in comparison to Mount quality wise then why can’t I bring Gallagher up who we are originally comparing to Mount? Your logic here is baffling.

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10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

You wrote at least 200 posts complaining why Marina didn't sell Courtois for 70-80m year before and we had to sell one of the best GKs in the world for 35m with one year left on contract. What do you think would be Mount price with one year left on contract and also with 3 or 4? 

And I see thousands of people having the same opinion on Mount as me all the time. Especially this season I feel it's like 90%. But don't know why is this again topic. 

I do not think we should sell Mount, I think we should come to a salary compromise, something Marina should have long ago done, but once again cocked up

her legacy is extremely problematic for me, we won those trophies despite her for the most part, not because of her, I believe that to the theoretical depths of my non-existent (I am an atheist after all) soul

I own my bias against her, it is not against her as a person, I am sure she can be lovely, BUT I think she and our scouts and the board left us in shambles (along with Roman being denied his UK visa renewal post-Skripal poisoning and then pulling the plug on the new stadium, all of which I predicted beforehand)

I know that opinion make me hated here by some (most probably), but I own it to the bone

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Yeah and Enzo will accept this, delusional cunt.

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Hardly any time left now unless we're just paying the release clause, so I doubt it is happening sadly. Would have really made the rest of the season exciting.

Still thrilled with the business we've done. Pleasantly surprised how much Boehly is not fucking around, the quality of what we're doing seems to have improved so much since summer when imo we made a lot of shitty deals. 

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14 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Yeah and Enzo will accept this, delusional cunt.

That will mean Benfica are going to have to offer Enzo Ferdnandez a new deal then.

Only way they can do it legally, or so you would think. Wouldn't be surprised if they gave him a pay rise as well plus the bonus and a higher release clause.

He would probably accept it too considering his antics when he scored that goal after our fucked up pursuit of him, indicating he was staying so I wonder if they’re gonna sweeten the deal for him by doing that and also cover their own arse in the summer. Regardless, someone will still pay €150m for him in the summer.

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by OneMoSalah

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11 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

 

as I and especially actual Portuguese have pointed out, The Record is a bird cage liner level rag, they literally just make shit up

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2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

And someone will still pay €150m for him in the summer.

I highly doubt that, (that is £132m)

that is Bellingham (and only by an English club for him, Real will not dump out that much I wager) level cash

and Benfica will perhaps try and play their bullshit 'pay the taxes too' games, which will kick it up close to €200m!!!

Enzo is not prime Messi or CR7 or current Mbappe

also:

zero chance Enzo signs that deal

sub zero

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Nobody will go to €150m for Enzo but I absolutely think both Manchester clubs would trigger his €120m clause in the summer. That’s why it’s so crucial we do so before they decide to. Hopefully they’re preoccupied by chasing Bellingham and it leaves us to Enzo.

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17 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I highly doubt that, (that is £132m)

that is Bellingham (and only by an English club for him, Real will not dump out that much I wager) level cash

and Benfica will perhaps try and play their bullshit 'pay the taxes too' games, which will kick it up close to €200m!!!

Enzo is not prime Messi or CR7 or current Mbappe

also:

zero chance Enzo signs that deal

sub zero

Not sure though, Liverpool and Madrid both in the market for Bellingham. He can only go one place and I don’t think any would flinch at paying €150m for Enzo Fernandez either in the summer. If he is going to be that sort of level of player who is exceptional for the next 10+ years.

I am actually surprised Madrid haven’t been linked with Kroos apparently considering retiring this summer and Modric’s age.

Also if nobody will go for him at €150m then why would anybody go for him at €120m? Its not a huge difference, its £26m or something. Begs the question, is he really that good? He looked pretty good for Argentina but is he going to be one of the top level elite elite midfield players?

Also I dont buy those taxes stories, just seems like utter nonsense. Never heard of it for any other transfer.

Edited January 29, 2023 by OneMoSalah