Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Johnnyeye and Blue Armour 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,791 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 13 hours ago, Vegetable said: Just a sidenote, but if You are guys shaken by the fact, that someone promised to pay asking price and then started to negotiate better terms and think this is some scandalous, dishonorable move (whereas it pretty much how negotation process works), better not even let your mind wander to think of how and what kind business did Abramovitch conduct throught his entire live… Going by the strong reactions from Benfica calling it 'unacceptable', the negotiating team dropped the ball here. They should figure that Benfica are not desperate for cash - sold Nunez in the summer and have sold Felix in the last few years for similar money. This low-balling has made the chances of a deal very slim and it is not just in hindsight, there were plenty saying this before the official negotiation - that it would take an amount close to the release clause to have any hope of striking a deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,721 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Superblue said: Jesus Christ, I've only just jumped on here after last night and had to trawl through half a dozen pages of rambling and moaning. The Benfica side is saying we offered one thing and now something else. The Chelsea side (Matt Law today, but particularly David Ornstein all along) is saying that the figures being put out there were never offered and we're sticking to our own valuations of the player. You clearly believe the Benfica side, probably because you're pissed off that the potential transfer has collapsed. But the facts are none of us were there, so it's all just assumption at present and when two sides of a story are wildly different the truth is usually something in the middle. Whilst I'd love us to buy Enzo, I also don't want us being mugged off in the market and paying over players valuations. We did enough of that in the summer, the club needs to at times make a stand and ensure it's being run financially sound moving forward. Whether we like it or not, THAT is more important for the long term future than any player potentially being bought or not. Maybe we did not offer said amount to Benfica. The point of contention here is that we told the player, Enzo, and his entourage that we would trigger the clause. Maybe something got lost in translation, but it apparently turned the players head., according to their club president. And there is some evidence here, given that Enzo basically failed to show up for training for few days. Having a poor relationship with another club is one thing (and definitely not good), but screwing a top player doesn't send a good message when trying to convince other superstars. Anyway, damage if any, is already done. Time to move on. Edited January 6, 2023 by Blue Armour Strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,765 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 If we do manage to get this bloke it will be a club record fee and probably a 42 year contract Vesper and Reddish-Blue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,581 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Vesper said: yup, pretty much sums up the state of the club. Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Anyone who thinks the entire Benfica organisation (who are amongst the more straight dealers in the big 10 leagues) is just making shit up is delusional we fucked up badly, and I can see this becoming an ultimate 'split the TC board' event, where you have some hardliners who refuse to admit we fucked up badly Boehly's word is now tarnished across Europe to a point, and if we nightmarishly do this again, we are WELL FUCKED in the transfer market as long as he is involved with us and it. Marina did not do this type of shit, she didn't play games and lead clubs on in monster deals (and I have some gravitas backing me up on that, as most know I was far from her biggest fan) PLUS, we are not getting a profoundly needed player who had a damn good chance of of being quite transformational a good summary: https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1717465/Chelsea-transfer-news-Enzo-Fernandez-Benfica-Premier-League-latest Chelsea have reportedly had three meetings with Benfica this month to try and lure Fernandez to Stamford Bridge. But the Portuguese giants quickly made it clear that the 21-year-old wouldn't be going anywhere unless any suitors triggered his £106million release clause. Rife reports earlier this week claimed Chelsea were willing to offer £112m to persuade Benfica to part ways with their most prized asset, but in instalments to adhere to FFP rules. However, Fabrizio Romano later reported that the Blues only offered £75m, significantly less than the demands that would've made Fernandez the most expensive Premier League player in history. And Schmidt has backed up that revelation by revealing an interested party were 'disrespectful' by offering lower than the release clause, despite indicating an intention to pay the full amount. He said: "We don't want to sell Enzo [Fernandez]. There's a club that wants him [and] tempted him, but they know the only way is [by paying the] £106m (€120m) clause. "They're disrespectful. They're leaving the player crazy. They acted like they wanted to pay clause... then wanted to negotiate [a cheaper fee]." The Benfica boss also heaped praise on Fernandez, stressing his desire for the World Cup's Best Young Player to remain in Lisbon beyond January. "Enzo is a good guy and an extraordinary player. We want him to stay," Schmidt added. "The situation is not easy. He played in the World Cup, won the World Cup, had proposals. There is a lot of money at stake." Blue Armour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 I would really like to see fans of any other club crying for owner to break league transfer record every purchase without second thought and calling him names for having a minimum of reasonability. And it's coming from people I would consider absolutely level-headed posters here! I don't know what kind of mentality it is to think Benfica is having a pure gold mix of Pele and Zidane on their hands (yet somehow no other club seems to care for this bargain price of 120 million) and we are some small-time club, that has to kiss their feet to even talk with them, when we are not even competing with anyone. We are not some Arab or USA club, that has to sweeten every deal with extra 100 million for anyone to even talk with us. And most important question to those overexcited: What if this guy comes for ridiculous, record fee of 130 million and turns out another Saul (what is highly probable)? You gonna apologize, or just go radio silence or even bash the club for stupid transfers and cry for another 150 milion kid, because it's not your 130 milion that went to the shitter? Fact we Paid 90 mil for Lukaku and 60 for Cucu only means this idiocy has to stop, not that we have to pay twice more for anyone better. Clubs saw TB is overpaying and are rightly milking it, so being assertive is a right thing to do, not "turning us into untrustworthy club". And us "turning player's head?" Lol. What about Bayern or Real snooping around our players and targets 24/7? Or maybe better, wanna talk about ethical background of pulling favela kids from South America for penauts to play in your stars-breeding team? Just chill, we've sold Hazard, freaking prime Hazard for 100 million, so maybe start your thinking from there before firing up FM23 for a next new great wonderkid. We wanted smarter business and now people are upset, because TB is looking to stop pulling even more headless version of early Roman, just chill. Especially since we have zero knowledge of what *actually* happened and if it's Benfica leaking this drama, then they should be slapped and left to play to rot with their golden boy. OhForAGreavsie, mkh, Reddish-Blue and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,647 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Vesper said: Anyone who thinks the entire Benfica organisation (who are amongst the more straight dealers in the big 10 leagues) is just making shit up is delusional we fucked up badly, and I can see this becoming an ultimate 'split the TC board' event, where you have some hardliners who refuse to admit we fucked up badly Boehly's word is now tarnished across Europe to a point, and if we nightmarishly do this again, we are WELL FUCKED in the transfer market as long as he is involved with us and it. Marina did not do this type of shit, she didn't play games and lead clubs on in monster deals (and I have some gravitas backing me up on that, as most know I was far from her biggest fan) PLUS, we are not getting a profoundly needed player who had a damn good chance of of being quite transformational a good summary: https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1717465/Chelsea-transfer-news-Enzo-Fernandez-Benfica-Premier-League-latest Chelsea have reportedly had three meetings with Benfica this month to try and lure Fernandez to Stamford Bridge. But the Portuguese giants quickly made it clear that the 21-year-old wouldn't be going anywhere unless any suitors triggered his £106million release clause. Rife reports earlier this week claimed Chelsea were willing to offer £112m to persuade Benfica to part ways with their most prized asset, but in instalments to adhere to FFP rules. However, Fabrizio Romano later reported that the Blues only offered £75m, significantly less than the demands that would've made Fernandez the most expensive Premier League player in history. And Schmidt has backed up that revelation by revealing an interested party were 'disrespectful' by offering lower than the release clause, despite indicating an intention to pay the full amount. He said: "We don't want to sell Enzo [Fernandez]. There's a club that wants him [and] tempted him, but they know the only way is [by paying the] £106m (€120m) clause. "They're disrespectful. They're leaving the player crazy. They acted like they wanted to pay clause... then wanted to negotiate [a cheaper fee]." The Benfica boss also heaped praise on Fernandez, stressing his desire for the World Cup's Best Young Player to remain in Lisbon beyond January. "Enzo is a good guy and an extraordinary player. We want him to stay," Schmidt added. "The situation is not easy. He played in the World Cup, won the World Cup, had proposals. There is a lot of money at stake." Slowly but surely were reaching Arsenal level of pettiness, yesterday I saw people come up with gymnastics about what it means to be a businessman which reminds me of Ty from AFTV who was so far down his club's ass he couldn't comprehend the idea his club could ever be in the wrong. We fucked up this deal, fucked up in some possible deals from here on and probably bought us the Rice ticket from next season, which makes me sick and angry. Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 I am deffo pulling Dembele off any 'even remotely available'-based lists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,721 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, Vesper said: He said: "We don't want to sell Enzo [Fernandez]. There's a club that wants him [and] tempted him, but they know the only way is [by paying the] £106m (€120m) clause. If there's still a positive in all this - If those are his exact words (and not just a result of translation), he's speaking in the present tense and says that Chelsea still wants him, and has not backed away. And he hasn't said that they won't deal with us again. So the door is still open, I guess. Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Vegetable said: I would really like to see fans of any other club crying for owner to break league transfer record every purchase without second thought and calling him names for having a minimum of reasonability. And it's coming from people I would consider absolutely level-headed posters here! that is NOT the issue for me it's the duplicitous short-arm play, talk up paying the RC, then when its time to shit or get off the loo, have the cheek to toss in an official offer that was 35m less than a price we knew was basically etched in stone (the wiggle room was on the instalment terms, but that is now blown to fuck for good) you and some others may be all good with that I think it is fucking disastrous way to try and do business Edited January 6, 2023 by Vesper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Vesper said: that is NOT the issue for me it's the duplicitous short-arm play, talk up paying the RC, then when its time to shit of get off the loo, have the cheek to toss in an official offer that was 35m less than a price we knew was basically etched in stone (the wiggle room was on the instalment terms, but that is now blown to fuck for good) you and some others may be all good with that I think it is fucking disastrous way to try and do business I get You, however I stand by the idea we have zero knowledge of what actually happened and wouldn't be so fast to hold TB for his words. I would believe we wanted to trigger the clause, but after 2nd day of twitter drama I stopped believing a single word that was reported. And actually, what if mid talks Bohely came up with like "hey, we've got new analytics, our numbers show he may be like 30% more Saul than we thought, best we can do is 80 mil"? What should we do? They have right to take it and right to walk away, it's not unusual new stuff is coming up during talks, just look at the old Fofana ordeal. All we know it's another time board lets to make clown of club in media, because they have zero pr team. Edited January 6, 2023 by Vegetable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, TheHulk said: Slowly but surely were reaching Arsenal level of pettiness, yesterday I saw people come up with gymnastics about what it means to be a businessman which reminds me of Ty from AFTV who was so far down his club's ass he couldn't comprehend the idea his club could ever be in the wrong. We fucked up this deal, fucked up in some possible deals from here on and probably bought us the Rice ticket from next season, which makes me sick and angry. hell no to Rice for what West Ham is demanding just hell to the fucking no he has been shit in the majority of the games I have watched him in this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 17 minutes ago, Vegetable said: however I stand by the idea we have zero knowledge of what actually happened I believe that Benfica are telling the truth, they have never been a dodgy club that I know of, and I have always respected Rui Costa, plus I think Schmidt is a great manager they have been so public and so consistent about it after it happened that it would mean the entire top of the organisation would be making something up if it is not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Chelsea target Enzo Fernandez 'out of Benfica match tonight' as transfer tussle continues https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1717724/Chelsea-news-Enzo-Fernandez-Benfica-transfer-tussle Chelsea target Enzo Fernandes will not be in the Benfica squad for Friday's match against Portimonense as he continues to be linked with a January move to Stamford Bridge, according to reports. The Blues have been locked in talks with Benfica regarding their interest in Fernandez over the last few weeks, although a deal is yet to be struck at club level as things stand. There have been issues in terms of agreeing a transfer fee, with Benfica adamant that Fernandez will only be allowed to leave the club this month if Chelsea are willing to pay his nine-figure release clause. The Blues are yet to give in, though, and have even reportedly offered three of their own players in a part-exchange deal that was swiftly rebuffed by those in power at Benfica. It was claimed on Thursday that negotiations at club level were at risk of fizzling out, but it seems as though the move remains in the works in spite of Chelsea's reluctance to meet Benfica's demands as of yet. Fernandez will not feature for his current employers against Portimonense on Friday evening, according to Portuguese newspaper A Bola, which suggests that his immediate future is still very much in the balance. Fernandez was said to have skipped training last week in order to make an unauthorised trip to Argentina, which angered Benfica officials prior to his return on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 eek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, Vesper said: eek Meh, for me he is just a much smarter version of Kondue move. He is also dynamic and can handle the ball but also is big and reasonably priced. There is Silva and, in theory, KK to be a tank of clinical defender to cover for second CB mistakes. I feel like we were always trying to set up a pair this way. He may be molded into more conservative CB when paired with Fofana I guess, but I doubt he is an instant Silva replacement. Also, those guys claim we don't need CM but rather pull a striker out of thin air, so there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,674 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Vesper said: Anyone who thinks the entire Benfica organisation (who are amongst the more straight dealers in the big 10 leagues) is just making shit up is delusional we fucked up badly, and I can see this becoming an ultimate 'split the TC board' event, where you have some hardliners who refuse to admit we fucked up badly Boehly's word is now tarnished across Europe to a point, and if we nightmarishly do this again, we are WELL FUCKED in the transfer market as long as he is involved with us and it. Marina did not do this type of shit, she didn't play games and lead clubs on in monster deals (and I have some gravitas backing me up on that, as most know I was far from her biggest fan) PLUS, we are not getting a profoundly needed player who had a damn good chance of of being quite transformational You mean the same Marina that led us to signing a rubbish striker for 95 million from Inter Milan who then proceeded to go back to Inter Milan after 1 season on a loan. Playing games and trying to negotiate is just part of the business. I don't recall any tier 1 sources like Ornstein say that Chelsea were ready to pay the release clause for Enzo. I'm quite satisfied that we aren't going to pay the release clause for Enzo. The kid is good but he's not worth 120 million, far from it. This is the first time that the club appears to be using the knowledge of the new footballing director to try and get a better deal. mkh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 34 minutes ago, Vegetable said: Meh, for me he is just a much smarter version of Kondue move. He is also dynamic and can handle the ball but also is big and reasonably priced. There is Silva and, in theory, KK to be a tank of clinical defender to cover for second CB mistakes. I feel like we were always trying to set up a pair this way. He may be molded into more conservative CB when paired with Fofana I guess, but I doubt he is an instant Silva replacement. Also, those guys claim we don't need CM but rather pull a striker out of thin air, so there is that. my 'eek' was because they just seemed so negative about everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 33 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said: I don't recall any tier 1 sources like Ornstein say that Chelsea were ready to pay the release clause for Enzo. you are conflating 2 seperate things, between holding talks that insinuated we were going to pay it with inner circle intent to apparently NOT pay it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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