Chelsea Transfers

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

5 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Where's the thread for him? 

The Twitter comments are disgusting 

[TheHulk 2,467]

Just now, Vegetable said:

Sorry to lay it down to you, but he is a businessman and billionaire because he is NOT stupid. This is how business work - asking prices are asking prices and reality is reality. There is literally no interest for other clubs, Benfica is clearly playing hardball on us, he would be idiot paying 127 million for player, who literally didn't exist in November, from team that isn't even worth this much as a whole company. They don't want to sell, they can fuck off and try their luck somewhere else, that's how it works. And expecting someone to pay LEAGUE RECORD just because is ridiculous - after 15 or so years I see that kind of fans we were ridiculed for when Roman took over actually exist.    

Do you still not understand the problem? The main problem is the American verbally told Benfica we we're willing to pay the 120M, Benfica came to the table BECAUSE of this, they we're willing to negotiate instead of buyout knowing Boehly told them an offer around 120M was on the table. The negotiations and time wasting happened because Benfica was told something and as soon as they discussed Boehly came up with other numbers 85M. 

Of course they got pissed off and rightfully so, what kind of shady shit is this. Why didn't Boehly simply say, listen I want us to come to the table an discuss a price around 85-90M for Enzo but of course he didn't do this because Benfica wouldn't even turn up for negotiations. The reality is the American wasted Rui Costa's time, wasted Enzo's time, waste Mendez time and wasted all our time. What a shady ass business work this is.

[bijitaq 9]

5 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Sorry to lay it down to you, but he is a businessman and billionaire because he is NOT stupid. This is how business work - asking prices are asking prices and reality is reality. Ever tried to buy a house or car from someone?

There is literally no interest for other clubs, Benfica is clearly playing hardball on us, he would be idiot paying 127 million for player, who literally didn't exist in November, from team that isn't even worth this much as a whole company. They don't want to sell, they can fuck off and try their luck somewhere else, that's how it works. And expecting someone to pay LEAGUE RECORD for some random just because he got twitter hype after wc is ridiculous - after 15 or so years I see that kind of fans we were ridiculed for when Roman took over actually exist.    

I'm in awe of your entitlement. Did Benfica contact Chelsea to sell Enzo or was it the other way around? Benfica is a football club and we want to win silverware, that's it. Your club knew the conditions of the deal upfront. Imagine being outraged because a club doesn't want to sell one of his best players in the January window bellow the release clause. Delusional. 

[TheHulk 2,467]

7 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

When you buy a car, it has a price tag onit, look at that price as a buy out Claus, u pay that money it's yours 100% no questions asked, that also makes you an idiot especially if you don't even try get money off.

You do this at the start of the negotiations not at the end when the buyer is like but you said you want to pay the tag price. Be fair and square, let him know you want to negotiate at a lower price, don't fucking waste his time telling you want the tag price to put him on the table and after lowball, this is embarrassing shit.

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

6 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

You do this at the start of the negotiations not at the end when the buyer is like but you said you want to pay the tag price. Be fair and square, let him know you want to negotiate at a lower price, don't fucking waste his time telling you want the tag price to put him on the table and after lowball, this is embarrassing shit.

It's business, you think these ppl have all this money from been upfront and straight?

Edited January 5, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

9 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I'm happy with the approach of getting these younger guys. 

It reminds me of 2012 when we had a lot of younger players, but we screwed up by getting Mourinho. 

The real work of Potter is to blend those younger guys in. I remember reading how he did that at Brighton. 

That's why this season is a free pass, he needs to get rid of a lot of deadwood and older guys that don't fit with what we are aiming for. 

Theres no such thing as a free pass. I fucking hate that term. 

Was the same pish being thrown around when Frank was here with Roman. And the squad we have now is still better than what we had then.

I mean is there really a free pass for Graham Potter based on how things have gone so far? Would you say hes shown enough as Chelsea manager? Mentality wise more so specifically as well? Results wise, what does this season even mean if it doesn’t involve CL football next season? Were closer to 12th than 4th. We are 10th. If we finish in the same position he’s got to go.

Whats the point in him blending young players in if we are going to go significantly backwards under him? Which is what its looking like so far. The teams soft mentally. That mentality and attitude has got to stem from the manager first and foremost.

I genuinely don’t think the players are having him.

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Felix bloke is reporting that there was a verbal and written agreement that the Chelsea lawyers completely backed out on. They instead provided their own terms which went against the verbal/written agreement. 

It's also no wonder why DiMarzio and tier 1 Argentina sources also claimed the deal was close to being done as both clubs had a verbal and written agreement. 

Smh. 

Edited January 5, 2023 by MoroccanBlue

[TheHulk 2,467]

Just now, YorkshireBlue said:

It's business 

No it's not is shady tactics, I've never heard of such bullshit in business, you don't piss off people you negotiate with by inventing different numbers from the ones you set out initially, this just make you look like a mug and a man with no honor, what sort of credence can someone have in you if you show up with different numbers to the ones you told them beforehand to get them to sit at the table.

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

6 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

No it's not is shady tactics, I've never heard of such bullshit in business, you don't piss off people you negotiate with by inventing different numbers from the ones you set out initially, this just make you look like a mug and a man with no honor, what sort of credence can someone have in you if you show up with different numbers to the ones you told them beforehand to get them to sit at the table.

You answered your own question, to get them sat at the table.

[Vegetable 830]

16 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Do you still not understand the problem? The main problem is the American verbally told Benfica we we're willing to pay the 120M, Benfica came to the table BECAUSE of this, they we're willing to negotiate instead of buyout knowing Boehly told them an offer around 120M was on the table. The negotiations and time wasting happened because Benfica was told something and as soon as they discussed Boehly came up with other numbers 85M. 

Of course they got pissed off and rightfully so, what kind of shady shit is this. Why didn't Boehly simply say, listen I want us to come to the table an discuss a price around 85-90M for Enzo but of course he didn't do this because Benfica wouldn't even turn up for negotiations. The reality is the American wasted Rui Costa's time, wasted Enzo's time, waste Mendez time and wasted all our time. What a shady ass business work this is.

You really do rate this guy like he had 10 ballon d'ors under his belt, don't you? I pointed it out yesterday, the clause is 120 mil, wich is ridiculous, we could pay & go or negotiate, but negotiating OVER this clause would be just crazy of a bad deal. The clause worth in installments would be the absolute max of what Chelsea could reasonably do and it would be a borderline bad business.

It's really not like Benfica is in position of endless power here - club of this size lives of selling players and there is, I repeat, ZERO interest from other clubs on this guy, so it's basic business they put up more realistic proposition. Benfica can take it or leave, no harm done. Business.

 

15 minutes ago, bijitaq said:

I'm in awe of your entitlement. Did Benfica contact Chelsea to sell Enzo or was it the other way around? Benfica is a football club and we want to win silverware, that's it. Your club knew the conditions of the deal upfront. Imagine being outraged because a club doesn't want to sell one of his best players in the January window bellow the release clause. Delusional. 

That's how transfer market works, sorry. Actually, I couldn't care less for Benfica selling him or not, the clause is so ridiculously high to prevent it I guess. The only outrage I have is some people here crying for us to 10 times guys worth and, if any of the reports are true, tolerate some weird tantrums, when the right time to walk away from the deal was like yesterday's morning already.

 

Some of you guys are bringing up some knight-code matters of honor and dignity, whereas there is just normal business operation being done, somehow apparently livestreamed to dummy twitter reporters, lol. No one is kept at the table by force, either they sell or not, either we buy or not, end of story.

Edited January 5, 2023 by Vegetable

[bijitaq 9]

1 minute ago, TheHulk said:

No it's not is shady tactics, I've never heard of such bullshit in business, you don't piss off people you negotiate with by inventing different numbers from the ones you set out initially, this just make you look like a mug and a man with no honor, what sort of credence can someone have in you if you show up with different numbers to the ones you told them beforehand to get them to sit at the table.

It's business in the same way Donald Trump was presidential. 

[Vegetable 830]

Just a sidenote, but if You are guys shaken by the fact, that someone promised to pay asking price and then started to negotiate better terms and think this is some scandalous, dishonorable move (whereas it pretty much how negotation process works), better not even let your mind wander to think of how and what kind business did Abramovitch conduct throught his entire live…

[bijitaq 9]

3 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

That's how transfer market works, sorry. Actually, I couldn't care less for Benfica selling him or not, the clause is so ridiculously high to prevent it. The only outrage I have is some people here crying for us to 10 times guys worth and, if any of the reports are true, tolerate some weird tantrums, when the right time to walk away from the deal was like yesterday's morning already.

No. It normally doesn't work like that. You told Benfica and the player you were willing to reach the value of the release clause then agreed terms with the player and surely had a hand on his recent disciplinary issues. Only to then go back on your word and try to lowball us thinking the pressure being placed upon us by the player and his agent would make us fold. Well it didn't work. 

[TheHulk 2,467]

3 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

You really do rate this guy like he had 10 ballon d'ors under his belt, don't you? I pointed it out yesterday, the clause is 120 mil, wich is ridiculous, we could pay & go or negotiate, but negotiating OVER this clause would be just crazy of a bad deal. The clause worth in installments would be the absolute max of what Chelsea could reasonably do and it would be a borderline bad business.

It's really not like Benfica is in position of endless power here - club of this size lives of selling players and there is, I repeat, ZERO interest from other clubs on this guy, so it's basic business they put up more realistic proposition. Benfica can take it or leave, no harm done. Business.

 

That's how transfer market works, sorry. Actually, I couldn't care less for Benfica selling him or not, the clause is so ridiculously high to prevent it. The only outrage I have is some people here crying for us to 10 times guys worth and, if any of the reports are true, tolerate some weird tantrums, when the right time to walk away from the deal was like yesterday's morning already.

If they want to put up a more realistic proposition all fine, it's their right but why lie and say something else initially, ah right because Rui Costa wouldn't even bother with this 85M. If someone told me he was gonna pay me close to 120M in installments to come to the table and after discuss, waste my time for 3 days and show up with 85M I would be very angry as well. Despite us tapping the player, which would make anyone mad, Costa was willing to let that go and continue discussions and after you lie like an idiot about the numbers as well. If I was Costa I'd sell him for 80M in the summer to someone else.

[Vegetable 830]

1 minute ago, bijitaq said:

No. It normally doesn't work like that. You told Benfica and the player you were willing to reach the value of the release clause then agreed terms with the player and surely had a hand on his recent disciplinary issues. Only to then go back on your word and try to lowball us thinking the pressure being placed upon us by the player and his agent would make us fold. Well it didn't work. 

So what is the problem in particular here? That Chelsea tried to buy a player or that Costa already thought he mugged Boehly and counted money in his mind, when the London team had flipped the table and it fell apart? Benfica don't want to sell, no other club want to buy, so no harm done to anyone I guess. Thousands of transfers fell apart this way and thousands more will. 

The bold part sounds like a very common happening in football and, be it good or bad, mostly works, as the team can't do shit with a player who doesn't want to play there.

[Costa19 858]

9 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

You really do rate this guy like he had 10 ballon d'ors under his belt, don't you? I pointed it out yesterday, the clause is 120 mil, wich is ridiculous, we could pay & go or negotiate, but negotiating OVER this clause would be just crazy of a bad deal. The clause worth in installments would be the absolute max of what Chelsea could reasonably do and it would be a borderline bad business.

It's really not like Benfica is in position of endless power here - club of this size lives of selling players and there is, I repeat, ZERO interest from other clubs on this guy, so it's basic business they put up more realistic proposition. Benfica can take it or leave, no harm done. Business.

 

That's how transfer market works, sorry. Actually, I couldn't care less for Benfica selling him or not, the clause is so ridiculously high to prevent it I guess. The only outrage I have is some people here crying for us to 10 times guys worth and, if any of the reports are true, tolerate some weird tantrums, when the right time to walk away from the deal was like yesterday's morning already.

 

Some of you guys are bringing up some knight-code matters of honor and dignity, whereas there is just normal business operation being done, somehow apparently livestreamed to dummy twitter reporters, lol. No one is kept at the table by force, either they sell or not, either we buy or not, end of story.

Well they probably have all the power here. Multiple clubs are reported intrested in signing Enzo but only in the summer. Benfica can easily sit back and wait for a bidding war comes the summer. Not to mention they fighting for the league and doesnt wanna lose their golden egg.

If we want to sign Enzo in january? Well pay the damn asking price. Instead we are making a fool out of ourselves and becoming a bigger meme than Harry Maguire. 

[TheHulk 2,467]

Hopefully we see more of this tonight, had enough of this shit since the summer. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

2 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Hopefully we see more of this tonight, had enough of this shit since the summer. 

The more details that are coming out say that Vivell was the one negotiating the Enzo deal.

[Fernando 6,585]

28 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Theres no such thing as a free pass. I fucking hate that term. 

Was the same pish being thrown around when Frank was here with Roman. And the squad we have now is still better than what we had then.

I mean is there really a free pass for Graham Potter based on how things have gone so far? Would you say hes shown enough as Chelsea manager? Mentality wise more so specifically as well? Results wise, what does this season even mean if it doesn’t involve CL football next season? Were closer to 12th than 4th. We are 10th. If we finish in the same position he’s got to go.

Whats the point in him blending young players in if we are going to go significantly backwards under him? Which is what its looking like so far. The teams soft mentally. That mentality and attitude has got to stem from the manager first and foremost.

I genuinely don’t think the players are having him.

 

Well that's what it is, because no matter what Potter does he will continue to be here. 

Well bar being in relegation fight, that might do it. But I think ever if we finish 10th he will be still be here next season, hence free pass. 

Todd no way will he kick Potter out, he will keep at all cost. 

[TheHulk 2,467]

1 minute ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

The more details that are coming out say that Vivell was the one negotiating the Enzo deal.

Both of them are equally just as stupid