Chelsea Transfers

[Superblue 6,370]

52 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Would he play regularly at Dortmund? If so, it could be a big win to loan him out there and hope he blows up before coming back.

However with Alonso looking likely to move on and I would imagine, Emerson too, there is a possible opening there and whoever might be the backup left back/wing back will likely get good game time with Chilwell coming back from a long term injury.

Of course the club may have someone in mind to buy but ultimately we likely can't buy for every position we need this summer. 

[Blue Armour 4,278]

8 hours ago, Norfolkblue1961 said:

My labrador is more technical than Werner 😄

More hungry for things too, I would assume

[Blue Armour 4,278]

8 hours ago, Vesper said:

the line MUST be drawn with Reece

IF Real pull him off us, we are going to raped from now on

Agreed. It's already an ugly trend in the making.

Need to do more to tie down players and present them with attractive  cause for them to stay. 

[Blue Armour 4,278]

8 hours ago, Vesper said:

I have a REALLY hard time believing we were going to pay him more than £325K PW.

We were, just a few months back, offering £160K PW or so, which pissed him off

I wonder who was in charge of these renegotiations.  Especially after offering Lukaku that ridiculous amount

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

8 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

I'm weary of this potential loan. On the one hand, if Ian isn't a regular there it will be a misstep in his development. On the other, if he starts, he's certain to fall in love with the place which would reduce the chance that he would return to Cobham with 100% enthusiasm to be a Blue.

A successful loan with BVB could amount to little more than an invitation to run down his contract and pick his next destination. Whatever happens he must not be loaned to Dortmund unless he signs a multi year extension first. If he's not prepared to commit, and it's decided that another loan is the correct step for him, then let's organise a positive, but less attractive, one in England.

[Strike 7,217]

Ousmane Dembele is leading La Liga for assists (13) despite missing 16 games this season. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,476]

 

[chelsea_4_eva 1,157]

48 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

He should learn from Harry Kane's predicament.

[Strike 7,217]

48 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Last guy who got a 8-year-contract

[Fernando 6,453]

Rice is not going to sign anything, and West Ham should be careful as if they continue like this he will walk away for free.

That is the trend lately with the players. Like what is happening with Mbappe. 

I was thinking this morning what if we go for Mbappe? With new owner and TT we could try to convince him to come over here? If he liked working with TT then we can try to convince  hm. 

[Strike 7,217]

34 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Rice is not going to sign anything, and West Ham should be careful as if they continue like this he will walk away for free.

That is the trend lately with the players. Like what is happening with Mbappe. 

I was thinking this morning what if we go for Mbappe? With new owner and TT we could try to convince him to come over here? If he liked working with TT then we can try to convince  hm. 

Doubt this. He won't wait till 2025. He's ready for the step up already and I get the sense he's going to try and move in the summer. Worst case, next summer. 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Strike

[milka 3,344]

Chelsea are 'open to a swap deal’ with Barcelona this summer as they consider letting Cesar Azpilicueta and Marcos Alonso leave - in exchange for out of favour defender Serginho Dest and Brazilian keeper Neto (Mail) #CFC

#FCB

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10805411/Chelsea-open-swap-deal-Barcelona-consider-letting-Azpilicueta-Alonso-leave.html

Edited May 11, 2022 by milka

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

15 minutes ago, milka said:

Chelsea are 'open to a swap deal’ with Barcelona this summer as they consider letting Cesar Azpilicueta and Marcos Alonso leave - in exchange for out of favour defender Serginho Dest and Brazilian keeper Neto (Mail) #CFC

#FCB

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10805411/Chelsea-open-swap-deal-Barcelona-consider-letting-Azpilicueta-Alonso-leave.html

Dest is not good enough for Chelsea. This reads to me like it was written and planted by his agent. If the new owners begin their stewardship with such a poor signing it will be a very bad sign.

[Superblue 6,370]

4 minutes ago, milka said:

Chelsea are 'open to a swap deal’ with Barcelona this summer as they consider letting Cesar Azpilicueta and Marcos Alonso leave - in exchange for out of favour defender Serginho Dest and Brazilian keeper Neto (Mail) #CFC

#FCB

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10805411/Chelsea-open-swap-deal-Barcelona-consider-letting-Azpilicueta-Alonso-leave.html

I wouldn't be against this. We're not likely to get much at all for Alonso and Azpi, both with only a year left on their contracts and at their age and the likelihood is Barca won't be prepared to pay anything whilst we could probably do with moving them on.

Dest still has a lot of development and is raw but he is only 21 and I do see potential in him. His market value would probably be at the very least the equivalent of Alonso and Azpi combined and there's a lot of potential upside with him. Also let's not pretend that with the new ownership, there is added marketing potential with him being American.

Don't really know too much about Neto but can only assume the club either has plans to move Kepa on, or Kepa himself is aware of interest and plans to move so replacing him with an experienced number two on the cheap is always the objective.

[Superblue 6,370]

Just now, OhForAGreavsie said:

Dest is not good enough for Chelsea. This reads to me like it was written and planted by his agent. If the new owners begin their stewardship with such a poor signing it will be a very bad sign.

It depends what we're looking at. It's not just a case of bringing in first choice players this summer but our whole defence needs restructuring. 

James is arguably the only really reliable stand out to pin to but even he suffers from niggling injuries and needs managing.

Beyond that we don't know how Chilwell will recover from injury, Silva will be 38, Sarr isn't good enough, Chalobah doesn't seem to carry much trust with Tuchel.

One of the biggest things learnt this season is how important the wing backs have been in our attack when they're flying and how much of a struggle it's been when they're injured. I actually think there's potential in Dest as a wing back. His pace is a big attribute in his position, and I think he's a stronger attacker than he is a defender.

I personally would love us to look at Djed Spence in the full back/wing back role and I don't think he'd be too pricey but ultimately we will need to look at maximising budgets this summer window because so much work is needed and if for example Dest was available as a straight swap for Alonso, I would take that all day as whilst you're gambling on him developing and improving I think the potential upside to the deal is in our favour. 

In all honesty though swap deals are very rare, so a swap deal involving four players seems very remote.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

34 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

It depends what we're looking at. It's not just a case of bringing in first choice players this summer but our whole defence needs restructuring. 

Agreed but they all have to be good enough for the designated role and I don't believe that Dest is.

34 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Beyond that we don't know how Chilwell will recover from injury

Nor do we know if his pre-injury form was temporary or represented him settling into his level for us.

34 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

One of the biggest things learnt this season is how important the wing backs have been in our attack when they're flying and how much of a struggle it's been when they're injured.

They achieved an undesirable, and unsustainable, level of importance because our attacking players are not potent enough. If Chilly returns at a high level and our WBs are once again carrying the burden of our attacking threat, then we will have messed up our recruitment. If so we'll continue to suffer the inconsistent performances that have plagued us. Our wing backs need to be an addition to our attackers, our coup de gras, not the main thrust. Reece and Chilly fit and flying for the entire season will not take us to a title challenge. Led by those two, we may have been top for a while but we did not belong there. The fact that they have been so important to our attack just highlights the problem, it doesn't solve it.

34 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

if for example Dest was available as a straight swap for Alonso, I would take that all day as whilst you're gambling on him developing and improving I think the potential upside to the deal is in our favour. 

In the end this is what we disagree about. I believe Dest's maximum is below our requirements. If he joins I'll be hoping that you are right. If it turns out that you are don't worry, I won't forget that I was wrong. 🙂

Edited May 11, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Superblue 6,370]

11 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Agreed but they all have to be good enough for the designated role and I don't believe that Dest is.

Nor do we know if his pre-injury form was temporary or represented him settling into his level for us.

They achieved an undesirable, and unsustainable, level of importance because our attacking players are not potent enough. If Chilly returns at a high level and our WBs are once again carrying the burden of our attacking threat, then we will have messed up our recruitment. If so we'll continue to suffer the inconsistent performances that have plagued us. Our wing backs need to be an addition to our attackers, our coup de gras, not the main thrust. Reece and Chilly fit and flying for the entire season will not take us to a title challenge. Led by those two, we may have been top for a while but we did not belong there. The fact that they have been so important to our attack just highlights the problem, it doesn't solve it.

In the end this is what we disagree about. I believe Dest's maximum is below our requirements. If he joins I'll be hoping that you are right. If it turns out that you are don't worry, I won't forget that I was wrong. 🙂

Oh for sure they have to be at a certain level even to be squad players here. As I said, my preference for target in the wing back role would be Djed Spence who I think would be a cracking signing but I do see potential in Dest, particularly from his Ajax days. Maybe not so much as a full back because I think he has a lot to learn defensively but in a wing back role and comfortable to play either side I wouldn't be against it if it only involved for example trading him for Alonso. I think the risk/reward becomes far more attractive on his potential then.

Regarding the wing backs, I would agree that the attackers need to do a lot more, but I think with Chilwell and James, you had two players that were quick and capable of getting up and down at will throughout a game and it made it incredibly difficult for teams to cope with. As a result of coming from deep and off the flank too they regularly became the 'spare man' in attack which seemed to present more opportunities to both. Alonso and Azpi in the same role is quite clearly a completely different prospect. I still don't think we'd be close to the top 2 even if Chilwell and James remained fit through the season but I think we'd be well clear comfortably in third and one way or another we need alternatives to both next season, whether that's in a full back or wing back role.

[Vesper 28,768]

3 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

There are only a handful (5, and 6 if you count Ndidi, and only 10 I rate as truly excelled atm who are under 30) of WC DMF's under 30 years of age atm, and Rice is 2nd on the list, and would be top (IMHO) if Bayern, for some reason, switched Kimmich back to RB/RWB.

WHY would Rice accept only £200K PW locked in for EIGHT YEARS when a soon to be 30yo Rudiger, for instance (when the signing bonus is prorated in), is on £400K plus PW? (325K quid PW or so base gross salary) Rice would turn 32 in the first season after that 8 year contract expired, so no chance he gets a monster pay-out then.

 
Joshua Kimmich  
Declan Rice  
Rodri   
Fabinho
Aurélien Tchouameni (potentially close to the top, but not there yet at all)

then a slight drop off

Wilfred Ndidi   

them a drop off for the last 4 

 
Kalvin Phillips    
Tomas Soucek
Sandro Tonali
Rúben Neves
 

Brozovic turns 30yo this fall