Chelsea Transfers

[R2D2 368]

Why the hell is Ziyech getting another chance Bakayoko, Cuadrado, Salah all were binned after a season why the hell should this guy get another season here, waste of space.

[Vesper 30,148]

1 minute ago, R2D2 said:

Why the hell is Ziyech getting another chance Bakayoko, Cuadrado, Salah all were binned after a season why the hell should this guy get another season here, waste of space.

Square was magnificent at RWB/RB on the worst Juve team in ages

2 goals, 19 assists in 3083 minutes (so no crazy Azpi 4700 minute season to pad those)

 

[King Kante 1,643]

27 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Why the hell is Ziyech getting another chance Bakayoko, Cuadrado, Salah all were binned after a season why the hell should this guy get another season here, waste of space.

I agree Ziyech should be sold but lets be real. 

Baka is a Championship grade player

Cuadrado looked like a child playing in the PL

Salah, was the one that should've been given a chance. 

[Jype 6,398]

23 minutes ago, Jas said:

The problem is a lot of our players would also want to start games. Havertz would want to start (Hazard was already starting every week at 21 when he joined us). Werner would want to start. Pulisic would want to start. Mount would want to start. Ziyech and CHO would also want to start. If Mount remains a certainty and someone like Lukaku becomes one, then there's only one spot left up for grabs. The quantity of numbers isn't necessarily the problem. It's the quantity of players that want to be playing week in week out. None of them would settle for being just a backup (would be interesting to hear Ziyech's and/or CHO's thoughts after the recent exclusions).

Pulisic, Ziyech, CHO obviously want to start more games but they also need to start showing why they deserve to be starters. Werner, for all his flaws, has been the best out of the bunch and is definitely ahead of the other three at the moment. Mount and Havertz will definitely expect to start most games and and probably will too, even if Lukaku joins.

Based on their current forms, I'd say Lukaku, Havertz, Werner and Mount would all start plenty enough games for all of them to be happy with their roles. Ziyech and Pulisic already had some complaints this season for their lack of play time and I don't see their situation becoming a lot better next season either, unless they drastically improve their play. Like I said, last chance for them next season.

For CHO I'm not really sure what to do with him. He always shows glimpses of good form when he plays and the quality is definitely there, but he's wildly inconsistent and Tuchel is now the third manager after Sarri and Lampard who has said something about his work ethic and motivation levels so maybe they're onto something? I don't see Hudson-Odoi's situation improving enough if he stays at the club so maybe a change in scenery might do him some good. But because I still rate his talent, I would hate to lose him on a permanent deal because there's definitely the chance of it coming back to bite us in the ass like KDB/Salah. A loan deal to a slightly smaller club would be my pick for CHO, and if he performs well with regular play time he can definitely still return and replace Pulisic/Ziyech later on if those two don't start performing.

[Thor 2,693]

I would take Adama every day of the week here. 

If we are going to be sticking to a 5 at the back system, he is perfect for a second string team, or to bring on against tired legs. He is the type of guy that will play better and be far more useful on a better team too. Ideal player for flat track bully style or to get you out of a tight situation at times. 

[R2D2 368]

29 minutes ago, King Kante said:

I agree Ziyech should be sold but lets be real. 

Baka is a Championship grade player

Cuadrado looked like a child playing in the PL

Salah, was the one that should've been given a chance. 

Thing is this is the only real summer we have to get Sancho, assuming CHO and Ziyech fail next summer when we need to replace them no one will come even close to the potential Sancho has.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

I have the feeling we will go after Sule now.

[Tomo 21,751]

This is the one aspect I'm nervous about with Tuchel, his transfer record isn't particularly great.

[R2D2 368]

Assuming we get Lukaku, Sule, Rice and Traore will this be ranked as worse than 2017 summer or better? Can't decide.

[Jype 6,398]

10 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Assuming we get Lukaku, Sule, Rice and Traore will this be ranked as worse than 2017 summer or better? Can't decide.

So you rate those players lower than Morata, Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Zappacosta? Okay mate.

[R2D2 368]

30 minutes ago, Jype said:

So you rate those players lower than Morata, Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Zappacosta? Okay mate.

Except Rice yes rate all of them the same but considering the money it would need to get him, he isn't a good deal either.

 

Lukaku 44 matches 30 goals 10 assists, 7 penalties, chances missed 19

Morata 44 matches 20 goals 12 assists, 2 penalties, chance missed 15 and this with Juventus playing the worst in years and him missing a bunch of sitters.

There really isn't much between those 2 it's just people blindly thinking the big guy has improved.

For the 100 mil paid for king donkey you get this guy

Sancho 38 matches 16 goals 20 assists and at least you know you buy top class.

 

Edited May 31, 2021 by R2D2

[Jype 6,398]

14 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Lukaku 44 matches 30 goals 10 assists

Morata 44 matches 20 goals 12 assists and this with Juventus playing the worst in years and him missing a bunch of sitters.

There really isn't much between those 2 it's just people blindly thinking the big guy has improved.

What's the point of comparing Morata's stats from 2021 for Juventus to decide how good/bad a signing he was in 2017?

Morata in 2016/17 played 45 matches and had 18 goals and 5 assists for Real Madrid in all competitions. Even though Morata was a few years younger at the time, if you want to make a fair comparison those are the stats you need to compare 2021 Lukaku with.

Another comparison is Lukaku to this day has scored 160 league goals in the PL / Serie A. Morata is the same age and has scored 84 career league goals in La Liga / PL / Serie A. There's zero doubt that Lukaku is the much better player between those two, whether we're comparing their history or their current level.

[Pizy 18,888]

57 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Assuming we get Lukaku, Sule, Rice and Traore will this be ranked as worse than 2017 summer or better? Can't decide.

For me that would be a great summer. We already have a great squad so don’t need to buy 5 world class players this summer. We need quality in a couple of areas and we’re a complete team. 
 

Anyone hoping we go out and buy a bunch of galacticos is going to be disappointed.

[R2D2 368]

26 minutes ago, Jype said:

What's the point of comparing Morata's stats from 2021 for Juventus to decide how good/bad a signing he was in 2017?

Morata in 2016/17 played 45 matches and had 18 goals and 5 assists for Real Madrid in all competitions. Even though Morata was a few years younger at the time, if you want to make a fair comparison those are the stats you need to compare 2021 Lukaku with.

Another comparison is Lukaku to this day has scored 160 league goals in the PL / Serie A. Morata is the same age and has scored 84 career league goals in La Liga / PL / Serie A. There's zero doubt that Lukaku is the much better player between those two, whether we're comparing their history or their current level.

He is marginally better than Morata that's what I'm trying to say, if Morata was trash for us don't expect any massive performances boost from this guy either.

Of course I'm comparing both their actual seasons it's literally the easiest to show that people who think this guy improved whereas the other is the same old donkey is false, the truth is both are donkeys with one just being slightly better than the other

So Lukaku has 23 non penalty goals this season compared to Morata 18 whereas Lukaku had 4 more big chances missed and 2 less assists than Morata both in same amount of matches , how exactly is this guy a big improvement over Morata? 

Yes he scored more than Morata but Alvaro wasn't an starter most the times compared to Lukaku.

Edited May 31, 2021 by R2D2

[R2D2 368]

10 minutes ago, Pizy said:

For me that would be a great summer. We already have a great squad so don’t need to buy 5 world class players this summer. We need quality in a couple of areas and we’re a complete team. 
 

Anyone hoping we go out and buy a bunch of galacticos is going to be disappointed.

I'm not keen on getting only galacticos but we've just won the CL have a great young squad which only needs a couple more quality investments to complete it yet decide to go for donkey Lukaku, Sule who is easily the worst of Lacroix, Kounde, Marquinhos, Traore complete LOL and Rice who is decent but in relation to value/price is another disgrace.

Edited May 31, 2021 by R2D2