AOIRO 64 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Ziyech Werner Onana Havertz Declan Rice Tagliafico Biggest Summer ever !!! mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, AOIRO said: Ziyech Werner Onana Havertz Declan Rice Tagliafico Biggest Summer ever !!! Not too sure about some of those signings. Onana is a problem as he has to disappear once every two years for six weeks, which is a massive problem at GK. Rice is a project if we buy him and not someone that will come in and do an immediate job, which is kind of what we need in the CB role. As for Tagilifico there are serious questions about his physicality and athleticism and whether he would be able to handle the PL. In my book Telles is a much smarter buy and even though I am not a fan at all I may even say Chilwell is preferable as we cannot go through another cycle of 'buy a FB and see if they adapt'. If we are doing that just go with Alonso and Maatsen next year I really cannot be bothered with another weak arse FB like Zappa, Baba and Emerson who ends up sitting around. killer1257, Johnnyeye, 0007 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 GK Ugurcan Cakir or Predrag Rajkovic or IF we just want a stopgap, then go for Vicente Guaita (who would become our new, FAR better backup IF and when we dump Kepa for good) Left-footed CB Alaba (can obviously play LB as well, allows us to sell both Emerson and Alonso) 20-25m or so cheaper than Romagnoli and far easier to pull, plus more versatile LB Telles (Alaba and Telles can BOTH be had for close to the price of Chilwell alone) OR If we want to drop a tad more then Theo Hernandez for LB DMF/CB Declan Rice, BUT ONLY if we fail at Havertz (and if we fail at Havertz I would go for Theo over Telles at LB as well as Rice now, otherwise go for Rice next summer) AMF/CF/SS/RW Havertz Forget Nicolás Tagliafico, he is basically the same age as Alaba (only 2 months younger) and a vastly inferior player to David, plus offers no flexibility (and is short) and now is not the time to get experimental (the bloke has never played, at almost 28 years of age, in a big 5 league, plus even IF the Eredivisie had finished, he only would have averaged around 25 league games played per year for his entire time at Ajax, 23 now per year, as it stands, and even if you add 9 more games on on top of this season's non-played ending, it is still only 28 per year, that is not good enough) Forget Chilwell unless we are talking £45-50m, which I so doubt Leicester drops down to, I think they stay firm around £80m, he is not worth fucking ourself out of either Havertz or a WC CB, the fullbacks I listed ar all massive upgrades on what we have now Juve are insane rating 29yo (30yo in January) Alex Sandro at 45+m euros so he is off my board (and his age worries me if we are tossing big money in terms of valuation in for him) IF we fail on Havertz and also do not do Rice and do not do the top 2 GKers listed and just do the very inexpensive Guaita, then we really should go for Romagnoli, Alaba and Telles, all three, or if not Romagnoli, then another WC CB like Skriniar or José Giménez or Marquinhos (who can play DMF to a superb level as well, thsu negating any need for Rice atm) or even try and do a swap, Jorginho + Emerson for de Ligt that is how I would play this shrenshah and Atomiswave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOIRO 64 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, King Kante said: Not too sure about some of those signings. Onana is a problem as he has to disappear once every two years for six weeks, which is a massive problem at GK. Rice is a project if we buy him and not someone that will come in and do an immediate job, which is kind of what we need in the CB role. As for Tagilifico there are serious questions about his physicality and athleticism and whether he would be able to handle the PL. In my book Telles is a much smarter buy and even though I am not a fan at all I may even say Chilwell is preferable as we cannot go through another cycle of 'buy a FB and see if they adapt'. If we are doing that just go with Alonso and Maatsen next year I really cannot be bothered with another weak arse FB like Zappa, Baba and Emerson who ends up sitting around. Onana and Tagliafico are very cheep , They will help us for 1-2 years . We will add Chilwell and SuperGK next few years . Rice will play DM-position if we add SuperCB like VVD . Mount - Rice - Gilmour will be future Midfielder squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 52 minutes ago, AOIRO said: Onana and Tagliafico are very cheep , They will help us for 1-2 years . £60-70m or so for both is not very cheap in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dec 33 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 Advanced issue found ▲ 9 1 hour ago, AOIRO said: Onana and Tagliafico are very cheep , They will help us for 1-2 years . We will add Chilwell and SuperGK next few years . Rice will play DM-position if we add SuperCB like VVD . Mount - Rice - Gilmour will be future Midfielder squad. Rice: £45m Taglifiaco: £30m TOTAL - £75m Alaba: £45m Telles: £36m TOTAL - £81m It's not that cheap. We could upgrade CB and LB with a lot more quality for just £6m more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dec 33 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Sorry I typo'd Alaba post and an error is preventing me editing. It should read £54m. This would bring the total to £90m and £15m above Tagliafico and Rice's cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Dec said: Rice: £45m Taglifiaco: £30m TOTAL - £75m Alaba: £45m Telles: £36m TOTAL - £81m It's not that cheap. We could upgrade CB and LB with a lot more quality for just £6m more! those prices are off Rice will cost far more than £45m, would be surprised if he goes for under £60m (West ham pre-Covid were saying £80-85m or so, same as Chilwell) Tagliafico will be around £23-27m or so, as he is basically 28yo and Ajax operates in euros, he oly cost them 3.6m quid in January 2018, so they are makking a great profit either way Same for Telles, he will go for £22 to 25m (1 year left on contract and COVID market) zero chance they get his full release clause (the £36m ie 40m euros) and Porto are really forced to sell more as he turns 28 in December,, so it isn't like you are getting a 5, 6 year starter or even a player with much resale value Alaba at £45m (50m euros) is close, and is a fair price, but Bayern will scrap to extract max money, they are talking about £55m or so (60m euros) I think 52m euros, I think 53m euros ( £48m) or so would , 55m euros (£50m) for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrenshah 186 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Considering cost, talent and availability these are logical signings in order of preference - Alaba - 50mn Telles - 25mn Havertz - 75mn Oblak - 100mn (last in list cause low chances of him leaving am but can have an alisson like effect, 2nd option would be dean henderson) Rice - 50mn (Only if we end up not buying oblak) Total of 250mn which is heavy considering we spent 90mn already...but we become title contenders by doing so If we sell or let go baka, batshuayi, pasalic, Barkley, Jorginho, Moses, Willian, Pedro, Giroud, Alonso, Emerson, Zouma We can end up with 200+mn and also thats some major savings in terms of salary as well so we are balanced as far as ffp is concerned even though its relaxed Loan out kepa with an eye to sell him in a year or 2 mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dec 33 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Vesper said: those prices are off Rice will cost far more than £45m, would be surprised if he goes for under £60m (West ham pre-Covid were saying £80-85m or so, same as Chilwell) Tagliafico will be around £23-27m or so, as he is basically 28yo and Ajax operates in euros, he oly cost them 3.6m quid in January 2018, so they are makking a great profit either way Same for Telles, he will go for £22 to 25m (1 year left on contract and COVID market) zero chance they get his full release clause (the £36m ie 40m euros) and Porto are really forced to sell more as he turns 28 in December,, so it isn't like you are getting a 5, 6 year starter or even a player with much resale value Alaba at £45m (50m euros) is close, and is a fair price, but Bayern will scrap to extract max money, they are talking about £55m or so (60m euros) I think 52m euros, I think 53m euros ( £48m) or so would , 55m euros (£50m) for sure Not the most reliable sources but I was looking at reports for the costs. The most recent report for Rice was The Sun at £45m and Munich want €60m for Alaba. Obviously costs can fluctuate as no journalist, especially not The Sun, will know but it was a rough estimate to show that Rice and Tagliafico are equally as costly as Alaba and Telles. Yes, there may be sell-on value for Rice, but in the short term he won't push us closer to title contenders, and that is what we need. We have Tomori and Maatsen breaking through for CB/LB and if we don't land Chilwell, who is my first choice LB, then Telles would be a better and slightly younger option for pushing us up the table than Tagliafico. If we were to get a goalkeeper, why not just spend big on Donnarumma? He's got only one year left on his contract and is young but experienced like Lampard wants. I'd love a deal with Romagnoli but I think that's a pipe dream to get both of those. Overall, I don't see the need for doing it on the cheap, even more so if they aren't that much cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Personally be more than happy with rice. He's a good footballer, just think he's not got that fashionable foreign football feel to him. He's a good set of feet too. Hammers end up getting relegated he could easily go for the 40 million mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,334 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 hours ago, shrenshah said: Oblak - 100mn (last in list cause low chances of him leaving am but can have an alisson like effect, 2nd option would be dean henderson) We activated his clause before signing Kepa. He did not want to come. Our last 6 signings: Jorginho, Kepa, Pulisic, Kovacic, Ziyech and Werner. Wow! This is better on paper than early Roman days. Just imagine Oblak there for Kepa. No one can complain about our ambition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOIRO 64 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I saw Alex-Telles when he played at Inter-Milano , He is bad player . Now he will work like Alex Sandro ?? I dont think Alaba join Chelsea . If he come this club , no need to sign Rice and Chilwell . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Artandur 939 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: Anybody got a take on him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 #Ajax manager Erik ten Hag: “Based on their performance and ambition, a number of our players also want to make the move abroad. Agreements have been made with Andre Onana, Donny van de Beek and Nicolas Tagliafico” (Het Parool) #CFC #LCFC #PSG #MUFC #RMCF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Special Juan said: #Ajax manager Erik ten Hag: “Based on their performance and ambition, a number of our players also want to make the move abroad. Agreements have been made with Andre Onana, Donny van de Beek and Nicolas Tagliafico” (Het Parool) #CFC #LCFC #PSG #MUFC #RMCF Damn, they are being dissected Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, Artandur said: Anybody got a take on him? he is very short and wants at least £2 to 2.5m a year in salary turned down £1.3m per year offer from Manure AMF zero goals, zero assists in around 500 topflight minutes OhForAGreavsie, killer1257 and Atomiswave 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Special Juan said: #Ajax manager Erik ten Hag: “Based on their performance and ambition, a number of our players also want to make the move abroad. Agreements have been made with Andre Onana, Donny van de Beek and Nicolas Tagliafico” (Het Parool) #CFC #LCFC #PSG #MUFC #RMCF grab Ryan Gravenberch!!!!! my nightmare is he ends up at Shitty or Manure or Victimpool Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 grab Ryan Gravenberch!!!!! my nightmare is he ends up at Shitty or Manure or VictimpoolWe can't have them all hahaGesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Vesper, Atomiswave and Beigl 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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