Vesper 30,175 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Just now, killer1257 said: He is young. Those type of incidents will continue. I do not think he will reach Ramos nor Pepe level, but those type of actions are disgusting. So probably every season once or twice those type of incidents will happen. Alli and Son do that type of action also every season multiple times Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk nope, not buying your attempts to set in a false frame narrative that you will then keep pushing and referencing your own words retroactively to try and lend legitimacy to it not going to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 nope, not buying your attempts to set in a false frame narrative that you will then keep pushing and referencing your own words retroactively to try and lend legitimacy to it not going to work You just try to defend a player you love for an incident where he wanted to harm another player. I also lost a lot of respect when JT kneed Sanchez. Bitch move is a bitch move Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, killer1257 said: You just try to defend a player you love for an incident where he wanted to harm another player. I also lost a lot of respect when JT kneed Sanchez. Bitch move is a bitch move Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk never said it was fair play, but I am not going to let some narrative be set in that Davies is a 'dirty' player the lad is 19, it is ridiculous to try and extrapolate out the next 13, 14, years based off one incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 never said it was fair play, but I am not going to let some narrative be set in that Davies is a 'dirty' player the lad is 19, it is ridiculous to try and extrapolate out the next 13, 14, years based off one incidentWe will see in the next 5 years how many times he will lose control of his emotions. Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Vesper said: Alphonso Davies is 19, has been playing LB for only 7, 8 months, and is already top 3, perhaps even the best (if not, soon will be), LB on the planet. Chilwell is not remotely in his league. Davies is an exceptional talent but saying that Davies is playing at a team where he is rarely exposed as they always dominate the ball against virtually any team they play. Chilwell is a very good LB who will improve. He got ripped by Sarr yesterday and Mahrez but generally speaking he is quite solid defensively. I don't agree that he is so bad defensively. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 34 minutes ago, Stats said: Davies is an exceptional talent but saying that Davies is playing at a team where he is rarely exposed as they always dominate the ball against virtually any team they play. Chilwell is a very good LB who will improve. He got ripped by Sarr yesterday and Mahrez but generally speaking he is quite solid defensively. I don't agree that he is so bad defensively. Chilwell is an upgrade from what we have now (there are multiple LB's out there who all are upgrades) but absolutely no way he is worth £80m. IF we had all the rest of the team sorted and we want to piss out an extra £30, 40m, on the exact LB we wanted, then sure, its only money, but we are not there at all. Money aside, Alaba, Theo Hernandez and even Alex Sandro (age makes him less appealing but right NOW he is a better player) are better LB's than Chilwell IMHO at this moment, and all cost far less. Bottom line for me is I have zero issue if we buy Chilwell, UNLESS (and it probably will) it fucks us in upgrading or adding at CB, GK and on attack (probably no Havertz at all if we drop 80m on Chilwell, and then even another winger (Havertz plays in so many positions he takes pressure off only carrying 3 true wingers) for far less than Havertz's cost will be in jeopardy. Atm it truly looks like Leverkusen are 75% plus likely to miss out on CL (all it takes is a draw or a win for Gladbach OR a draw or a loss for Bayer and they are out), and that lowers Havertz's (or should per multiple German reports) cost to around £70m or so. I cannot think of a realistic scenario where Chilwell is worth £10m or so MORE than Kai Havertz. It simply is not the case for me. If Chilwell was not English, his price would be half of what it is. We are amongst the least of the top ten teams who have a homegrown quotient issue, so another English player is simply not important at all. Leicester have zero reason to lower his price (unless he demands a transfer). They do not need the cash, they are 95% plus CL bound, have no huge stadium debt, have a multi-billionaire owner, and no FFP issues. Fernando and Atomiswave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 6 hours ago, shrenshah said: Based on current season i guess kante kova and gilmour are ahead of jorginho in the pecking order...not many supporters incl me would want him to start ahead of the 3 mentioned players but he is the vc...the emergence of gilmour has already replaced jorgi so a sale with rice coming in will just help bring a hell lot of versatality just like lampard wants Its a squad game these days even more so now with what is going to be an absolute crazy schedule while football plays catch up on lost time due to lockdown (we're looking at summer 2023 until the calendar breaks even and even that's on the assumption there's not another suspension). With the way Lampard likes to play a regista is crucial, even more so currently given we don't exactly have the best ball playing CB's, asking Gilmour to play every game at his age and with the scheduling in the coming years is unrealistic, we need two capable players in that position minimum, none of our other midfielders are capable of giving high efficiency in that role not even Kova. I could just about get my head around Rice if he's exclusively played as a CB and signed for a reasonable price (around £35m, 40 tops) but I don't want him anywhere near the midfield. That said I'm not totally against selling Jorginho if an irresistible offer comes in given his age and the fact he's probably not an undisputed starter anymore due to Billy's emergence but he absolutely must be replaced by another player capable of playing the regista role and lightening the load on Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,394 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 BC is def better than what we have, but that does not make him an 80M pounds player.....23 years old or 28, he aint worth that outlay. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Atomiswave said: BC is def better than what we have, but that does not make him an 80M pounds player.....23 years old or 28, he aint worth that outlay. if he was 28yo (thus 29yo more than likely sometime in the coming season if not even before) and we paid £80m for him I would lose my fucking mind Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Yeah we need to sort defense before anything else. LB is coming but we need top CB badly! Even RB I am not sure. Azpi is declining 31yo this summer and James needs time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Chelsea ‘to attempt to grab Xavier Mbuyamba on free transfer this summer’ with 18-year-old defender set to leave Barcelona when deal ends http://www.insidefutbol.com/2020/06/21/barcelona-make-decision-on-chelsea-target/460284/ earlier story Wonderkid reveals he wanted Chelsea transfer before sealing Barcelona move Chelsea served a ban during last summer's transfer window and that cost them the chance to register any new players ahead of the 2019/2020 season https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/chelsea-transfer-news-barcelona-wonderkid-17905394 Xavier Mbuyamba in action for Holland U19's Chelsea's two-window transfer ban cost them the chance to sign Netherlands wonderkid Xavier Mbuyamba. The Blues were unable to register any new players during the 2019 summer transfer ban as a result of serving a punishment in regards to breaching FIFA rules in their dealings with overseas players under the age of 18. That decision was later overturned in December, but the west London outfit opted not to sign a single player in the January transfer window despite links to Jadon Sancho, Moussa Dembele and Ben Chilwell among others. And by the time the winter window was open, Mbuyamba had already been snapped up by La Liga giants Barcelona. Only time will tell if the Blues end up ruing this particular transfer decision. But the wonderkid has revealed that he was keen to join the west London outfit after training with the youth teams last summer. snip MASSIVE potential, huge (1.95m at 17yo), super athletic CB killer1257, ZAPHOD2319 and Atomiswave 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Chelsea ‘to attempt to grab Xavier Mbuyamba on free transfer this summer’ with 18-year-old defender set to leave Barcelona when deal ends http://www.insidefutbol.com/2020/06/21/barcelona-make-decision-on-chelsea-target/460284/ earlier story Wonderkid reveals he wanted Chelsea transfer before sealing Barcelona move Chelsea served a ban during last summer's transfer window and that cost them the chance to register any new players ahead of the 2019/2020 season https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/chelsea-transfer-news-barcelona-wonderkid-17905394 Xavier Mbuyamba in action for Holland U19's Chelsea's two-window transfer ban cost them the chance to sign Netherlands wonderkid Xavier Mbuyamba. The Blues were unable to register any new players during the 2019 summer transfer ban as a result of serving a punishment in regards to breaching FIFA rules in their dealings with overseas players under the age of 18. That decision was later overturned in December, but the west London outfit opted not to sign a single player in the January transfer window despite links to Jadon Sancho, Moussa Dembele and Ben Chilwell among others. And by the time the winter window was open, Mbuyamba had already been snapped up by La Liga giants Barcelona. Only time will tell if the Blues end up ruing this particular transfer decision. But the wonderkid has revealed that he was keen to join the west London outfit after training with the youth teams last summer. snip MASSIVE potential, huge (1.95m at 17yo), super athletic CB I like his characteristics. We rarely produce any good CBs from our youth system either. Get him in. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,818 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Yes, please on Xavier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,818 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I hope we get our business complete on transfers before the second wave of this pandemic hits. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 6:39 AM, Pizy said: I've done a little research on several hot LB prospects and it seems every one of them is very good going forward but not great defensively. That's just the modern fullback. Only very few are world class at both. You either get a fullback like Azpi or Wan Bissaka who are basically defense first and nearly useless going forward or you get an all out attacking fullback who you just hope doesn't fuck up very often to cost you. Look at Liverpool's or City's fullbacks. Robertson, TAA, Walker, and Mendy are all fantastic going forward. But if you have a quality winger who is direct and aggressive they all can be got at. If we sign Chilwell it's the same. There will be times against quality wingers where he's going to get burned. It's inevitable. I've watched numerous big CL games where Marcelo looks like a clown defensively. But he's so outrageously skillful going forward that it's overlooked and accepted. Almost in any position, it is very2 difficult to find complete player. The question is what you want that player to do and can you cover his weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu35_army 551 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 come on marina,,just fly to italy and make a bid to one of Skriniar, Romagnoli or even Koulibally. enough this season we concede more than 40 goals and this is the worst between the top 7 now.... killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu35_army 551 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 come on marina,,just fly to italy and make a bid to one of Skriniar, Romagnoli or even Koulibally. enough this season we concede more than 40 goals and this is the worst between the top 7 now.... NikkiCFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, blu35_army said: come on marina,,just fly to italy and make a bid to one of Skriniar, Romagnoli or even Koulibally. enough this season we concede more than 40 goals and this is the worst between the top 7 now.... She may fly somewhere on one month vacation soon On a serious note you are right. Liverpool scored 13 goals more than us this season, City 18 more. I think Werner and Ziyech will be enough to close this gap. Also Pulisic, CHO had injuries and their numbers will only get better. But when we speak about conceded goals there are 7 teams better than us and Burnley conceded same as us. Brighton, Newcastle, Arsenal and Spurs just one more. Offensive play can impact defense this is why we were 3rd last season in conceded goals after Pool and City and no David Luiz was not the reason. But Sarriball. And I do not mean this as a good thing. So how do we close the gap in conceded goals with best teams? Yeah, top CB is MUST! Did not see any rumors so this is a worry. blu35_army 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrenshah 186 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Get xavier mayubu for our reserve team on a freeBuy a world class bad a$$ cb like KoulibalySell ac and zoumaWe get Rudiger and Koulibaly as startersTomori and Ampadu as backup with Mayubu just for coverSent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.