Chelsea Transfers

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

8 hours ago, King Kante said:

Barca have serious problems with their wage bill, incredibly it is £480m. To put that in perspective ours was £260m. Further, Barca have zero wriggle room as almost all of their contracts still have 1+ year to run unlike us who have the likes of Pedro, Willian and Giroud expiring. 

In other words, any hit to their finances means they cannot afford pay their players which is why they got all desperate and started spreading rumours that the players were refusing to accept a pay cut. If this Corvid business means the season cannot end and they miss out on any TV/CL/La Liga/Gate Revenue they are going to have to sell just to cover wages. This is against a backdrop where most teams in Europe are also going to struggle to pay their players already on contract.

As a result, Barca are going to either have to fire sale in the poorest market pretty much ever or loan the players out so they're not on the hook for wages. 

In my opinion, Coutinho will be loaned again as they cannot afford to pay him on top of the players in their current squad and no team in Europe is going to be paying serious fees as their income levels will have either been seriously hit and/or uncertain. 

Interesting KK. Thank you.

Is Barca's situation really this tight? Their wage bill is large but, after paying it last season, they stll had more than half a billion pounds of income left over to fund transfer activity and other costs. Chelsea, on the other hand, had barely £170m left over after paying players.

Using the £480m salary number, and calculating that roughly one third of the season will be lost, their squad's voluntary 70% pay cut during the shutdown will shave about £112m off the wage bill. In addition their players are also reported to be intending to make further contributions to help the club meet its non-playing payroll. A much smaller number to be sure, but it will help the club a little, and the people involved a lot.

Barcelona's domestic TV income last season was roughly £136m. Sticking to the same one third reduction guessed at above, they will lose around £45.4m of that this season. After covering this loss, the players' salary sacrifice, leaves Barcelona with more than £76m still in hand. £76m won't come close to matching other lost revenue so Barca's situation is bleak, but not as bleak perhaps as some other clubs.

Things will return to normal eventually. Barcelona's financial situation is strong, with projected incomes of more than £1bn per season going forward. In this suddenly bleak financial climate, where institutions are desperate for 'sure thing' investments, if Barca want loans to stave off a fire sale, the banks will help them out.

[King Kante 1,643]

7 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Interesting KK. Thank you.

Is Barca's situation really this tight? Their wage bill is large but, after paying it last season, they stll had more than half a billion pounds of income left over to fund transfer activity and other costs. Chelsea, on the other hand, had barely £170m left over after paying players.

Using the £480m salary number, and calculating that roughly one third of the season will be lost, their squad's voluntary 70% pay cut during the shutdown will shave about £112m off the wage bill. In addition their players are also reported to be intending to make further contributions to help the club meet its non-playing payroll. A much smaller number to be sure, but it will help the club a little, and the people involved a lot.

Barcelona's domestic TV income last season was roughly £136m. Sticking to the same one third reduction guessed at above, they will lose around £45.4m of that this season. After covering this loss, the players' salary sacrifice, leaves Barcelona with more than £76m still in hand. £76m won't come close to matching other lost revenue so Barca's situation is bleak, but not as bleak perhaps as some other clubs.

Things will return to normal eventually. Barcelona's financial situation is strong, with projected incomes of more than £1bn per season going forward. In this suddenly bleak financial climate, where institutions are desperate for 'sure thing' investments, if Barca want loans to stave off a fire sale, the banks will help them out.

Barca are essentially cooking their books by around €150m. Here is an article that explains it much better than I could.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2020/01/18/intro-to-barcelona-math-how-to-make-revenue-of-836m--990m/amp/

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

Chelsea fans sure can surprise me. For me it would be opposite. 1. Tomori   2. Chris   3. Zouma   4. Rudiger

With one difference.  I would not sale Tomori. Loan him again next season and I am pretty sure that is what we are going to do.

I mean we just kept two clean sheets against Liverpool and Everton with Rudi-Kurt and people are voting for them? 

Of course this is my opinion from Chelsea perspective where we sell(loan) one and buy one (not world class) defender.

I would sell two and buy two world class CBs but what do I know...

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

19 hours ago, Vesper said:

for a fair price, yes, but Barca spent £142m on his arse, so how fair (ie. low) will they go?

 

Also we actually may change both LBs this summer. I know you like him.

Chelsea one of three clubs interested in Atalanta wing-back Robin Gosens — report

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2020/4/3/21206641/chelsea-one-of-three-clubs-interested-in-atalanta-wing-back-robin-gosens-report

[Special Juan 28,141]

I'd have Coutinho here without a doubt, still massively talented.

[King Kante 1,643]

49 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Chelsea fans sure can surprise me. For me it would be opposite. 1. Tomori   2. Chris   3. Zouma   4. Rudiger

With one difference.  I would not sale Tomori. Loan him again next season and I am pretty sure that is what we are going to do.

I mean we just kept two clean sheets against Liverpool and Everton with Rudi-Kurt and people are voting for them? 

Of course this is my opinion from Chelsea perspective where we sell(loan) one and buy one (not world class) defender.

I would sell two and buy two world class CBs but what do I know...

Zouma is the one to sell. We may have kept a clean sheet against Everton but Zouma was all over the place at times. DCL really should've scored after he got himself caught on the half way line in no mans land. Further, his distribution is poor and he is at an age now where he isn't going to improve much more as he is entering his peak. Zouma for me is the Barkley of our CB's. 

[King Kante 1,643]

51 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Also we actually may change both LBs this summer. I know you like him.

Chelsea one of three clubs interested in Atalanta wing-back Robin Gosens — report

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2020/4/3/21206641/chelsea-one-of-three-clubs-interested-in-atalanta-wing-back-robin-gosens-report

No way Barca get €80m for him. This transfer market is going to be the 'bottom of the market'. No way does any club lay out serious fees on players. I mean how exactly can a club go out and pay £50m+ on a player and give them £200k+ whilst their current squads are on 30%+ reductions? Further, which clubs are laying out £102m guaranteed (£50m fee/£200k a week for 5 years) when their income is uncertain in the age of FFP? Lastly, which top players, who are not out of contract, are going to want to sign a multi-year deal in this climate? For instance, Sancho is on €200k a week already, how much more than that is he going to get if he moves now and the club he goes to pay £100m+ just to sign him? It is not going to happen. Everyone is better off waiting this thing out for a year and then moving. 

The only exceptions to this will be; 

A) Players out of contract - they will need to sign something. 

B ) Players with only one year left - clubs will want to sell for something rather than get no fee. Further, some clubs will need to free up their wage bills. 

C) Players that are loaned to free up the wage bills that have become unaffordable for their clubs. 

Mega deals have zero chance this Summer. In the unlikely scenario that a club can afford to do it, how exactly is a £100m transfer fee with £300k a week wages deal going to play with the public when a serious amount of people have lost their jobs. It would be PR suicide. 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

32 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Zouma is the one to sell. We may have kept a clean sheet against Everton but Zouma was all over the place at times. DCL really should've scored after he got himself caught on the half way line in no mans land. Further, his distribution is poor and he is at an age now where he isn't going to improve much more as he is entering his peak. Zouma for me is the Barkley of our CB's. 

I have been very critical towards Zouma earlier in the season by calling him worst CB in the world... But after all I have seen from our other CBs this season not sure what to think anymore.

Imo none of our 4 CB is good enough to be a starter. Maybe Rudiger but by that poll almost 50% of Chelsea fans think he is our worst CB. So I guess Zouma and maybe Chris are good enough to be 3rd or 4th option from the bench.

Do not forget Deschamps rates Zouma over Laporte, Konate, Upamecano, Diop...

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

36 minutes ago, King Kante said:

B ) Players with only one year left - clubs will want to sell for something rather than get no fee. Further, some clubs will need to free up their wage bills. 

 Some great names are in this situation. We should be on alert. 

Sane, Auba, Alaba, Aguero, Thiago, Donnarumma, Torres, Upamecano, Telles, Milik, Zielinski, Tonali...

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

3 hours ago, King Kante said:

Barca are essentially cooking their books by around €150m. Here is an article that explains it much better than I could.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2020/01/18/intro-to-barcelona-math-how-to-make-revenue-of-836m--990m/amp/

Thank you. I haven't read it yet but I will later today.

[King Kante 1,643]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

 Some great names are in this situation. We should be on alert. 

Sane, Auba, Alaba, Aguero, Thiago, Donnarumma, Torres, Upamecano, Telles, Milik, Zielinski, Tonali...

Some great names for sure and you can add Werner to the mix. With the way we work, I would imagine we would be looking at Donnarumma, Upamecano, Telles, Werner and Tonali. Not sure how many we would get/can afford but those are the ones that hit the profile we like i.e. under 27 and/or on cheap wages that means they are not too much of a risk.

As for the others, I cannot see us after a Auba, Alaba, Sane or Thiago because we are a rebuild team and those players would likely want to go to teams challenging while they would still demand top wages and be a decent wack of a fee. Kun for me will leave England when he finishes at City and I am not so sure Torres, Milik and Zielinski are of the right profile for what we need. 

That said, I am not too sure how many we could actually afford as our finances are at the mercy of the current wage bill and how our income will be affected by Corvid. For instance, if we cannot shift either Emerson or Alonso, I can see us not signing a LB. 

[Vesper 30,219]

3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Also we actually may change both LBs this summer. I know you like him.

Chelsea one of three clubs interested in Atalanta wing-back Robin Gosens — report

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2020/4/3/21206641/chelsea-one-of-three-clubs-interested-in-atalanta-wing-back-robin-gosens-report

Coutinho at £70m (maybe less if the euro crashes further v the pound) is a fair price, especially if we miss out on Sancho

he is still really dangerous and is in his prime, we would get about 4 prime years out of him (he is only 6 months older than I am, not that I am footie star! LOLOLOL, maybe back in my 12,13 year old tweenie/teenie girls footie dreams)

this is the last year I would go for him

same goes for Telles and/or Alaba (all are 1992 born like moi, 1992 was a superb year for footie players being born, those I listed, plus players like Neymar, Mane, Salah,Son, Alisson, ter Stegen, Verratti, Eriksen, Casemiro, Marcelo Brozovic, Stefan de Vrij , Cuntois, Koke, Zaha, Danny Carvajal, Pablo Sarabia, Luis Alberto, Filip Kostic, Sergi Roberto, Isco etc etc )

I would be over the moon if we dumped both Emerson and Alonso and picked up Gosens and Telles (Gosens is almost exactly 2 years younger than Alaba and Coutinho, Telles is 13 days younger than me) 

(Alaba will cost Chilwell level or close so I would not splash that cash, would rather have TWO new LB's who would cost almost nothing net IF we sell both of ours )

If not Gosens or Telles for one of the 2 new LB's than I would LOVE to have Theo Hernández, but I dread his price now that he has exploded (best LB in Serie A IMHO, then Alex Sandro (too old now though to buy, he turns 30 in January( then Gosens, then Luca Pellegrini (just turned 21yo, but on loan at Cagliari from Juve, so that's a tough pull), and that's IT for Serie A LB's that I rate atm)

Obviously I would prefer Sancho over Coutinho for many reasons, BUT we do need a bloody plan B, plan C, etc

Coutinho also would have a shit tonne of motivation to beat the scouse vermin as well, I would think (maybe I am wrong, I am not inside his brain)

[lucio 5,418]

Get coutinho and boga for willian and pedro,  big upgrade,  and we don't know for sure if we can rely on pulisic and cho 

 

 

[Jase 43,479]

35 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Coutinho at £70m (maybe less if the euro crashes further v the pound) is a fair price, especially if we miss out on Sancho

What about his wages? Those big Spanish clubs notoriously pay their players BIG wages.

[Jase 43,479]

30 minutes ago, lucio said:

Get coutinho and boga for willian and pedro,  big upgrade,  and we don't know for sure if we can rely on pulisic and cho 

If Coutinho is really as good as you're making him out to be, Bayern would be trying to keep him or Barcelona wouldn't look so desperate to get rid of him. And using Willian and Pedro aren't great barometers for comparison. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Coutinho at £70m (maybe less if the euro crashes further v the pound) is a fair price, especially if we miss out on Sancho

he is still really dangerous and is in his prime, we would get about 4 prime years out of him (he is only 6 months older than I am, not that I am footie star! LOLOLOL, maybe back in my 12,13 year old tweenie/teenie girls footie dreams)

this is the last year I would go for him

same goes for Telles and/or Alaba (all are 1992 born like moi, 1992 was a superb year for footie players being born, those I listed, plus players like Neymar, Mane, Salah,Son, Alisson, ter Stegen, Verratti, Eriksen, Casemiro, Marcelo Brozovic, Stefan de Vrij , Cuntois, Koke, Zaha, Danny Carvajal, Pablo Sarabia, Luis Alberto, Filip Kostic, Sergi Roberto, Isco etc etc )

I would be over the moon if we dumped both Emerson and Alonso and picked up Gosens and Telles (Gosens is almost exactly 2 years younger than Alaba and Coutinho, Telles is 13 days younger than me) 

(Alaba will cost Chilwell level or close so I would not splash that cash, would rather have TWO new LB's who would cost almost nothing net IF we sell both of ours )

If not Gosens or Telles for one of the 2 new LB's than I would LOVE to have Theo Hernández, but I dread his price now that he has exploded (best LB in Serie A IMHO, then Alex Sandro (too old now though to buy, he turns 30 in January( then Gosens, then Luca Pellegrini (just turned 21yo, but on loan at Cagliari from Juve, so that's a tough pull), and that's IT for Serie A LB's that I rate atm)

Obviously I would prefer Sancho over Coutinho for many reasons, BUT we do need a bloody plan B, plan C, etc

Coutinho also would have a shit tonne of motivation to beat the scouse vermin as well, I would think (maybe I am wrong, I am not inside his brain)

70m for Coutinho is way too much. He is overrated as fuck and only plays well against the worst players in BuLi and disappears vs top teams. He has declined a lot since his lpool days he and was overrated back then. 
Gosens + Telles would be sublime obviously but I doubt we will sign both. I would be fine with either with a slight bis towards Gosens, perfect age, pacey, physical, hard worker

[Vesper 30,219]

11 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

70m for Coutinho is way too much. He is overrated as fuck and only plays well against the worst players in BuLi and disappears vs top teams. He has declined a lot since his lpool days he and was overrated back then. 
Gosens + Telles would be sublime obviously but I doubt we will sign both. I would be fine with either with a slight bis towards Gosens, perfect age, pacey, physical, hard worker

Coutinho is not near the top for me, but I do think there is far worse out there

I can see your point though, and £70m is still a shit tonne of cash

as for buying both LB's

if we only sell Emerson and keep Alonso, we are basically conceding we will take a huge loss on him (versus what we could have gotten for him the last 2 years) as he turns 30 in December, at which point, say 2021, we will not even be able to get what we paid for him when we bought him

If we sell Alonso and keep Emerson, we are fucked if the new LB goes down as Emerson is dogshit in the EPL

I have been raving for years about thsi, and each year their values go down and each year we are fucked overall with them at LB

a 31yo, out of position Azpi at LB is utter capitulation as well

Telles is a HUGE weapon on corner and free kicks as well, he is a top 10 on the planet corner kick taker

he has 52 assists in the last 3 and 2/3rds seasons as well, plus 21 goals (10 of them in this last shortened season)

I think we can get both Telles and Gosens for less than £60m, say £55m or so, which is near to what we can get if we sell Alonso and Emerson, (I would guess around £50m)

if we only sell one and buy Chilwell, then that net cost is around £55m (versus £5m or so) and it still leaves us fucked if Ben goes down

I have little hope we will do the correct move though, we have been fucking up at LB since Ash aged out

[Jase 43,479]

In the midst of all this fancy transfer talk, we also still need to see how much are we being affected financially from this coronavirus situation. Our transfer budget, for all we know, could be reduced because the club have to cover up for losses etc. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Ziyech 

Mount 

Ruben 

Virtually no nead and this will die much like the Isco rumor id imagine. 

[King Kante 1,643]

50 minutes ago, Jason said:

In the midst of all this fancy transfer talk, we also still need to see how much are we being affected financially from this coronavirus situation. Our transfer budget, for all we know, could be reduced because the club have to cover up for losses etc. 

This is what is almost definitely going to happen. In my opinion, if we go for Coutinho it will be a loan. No way are we laying out £60m+ on him plus £250pw wages. If Granny signs off on that deal then she needs to leave. I mean if we have lower transfer money than expected, Coutinho is a decent loan signing, however if we have some dollar then there are much better buys out there. 

As for our transfers in, I only expect loans, frees or low fee players who only have a year or something left. I really do not see any club signing players for big money this year.