The Tuchel Thread

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

Unfortunately when your at the top there's only one way to go.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

31 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

But again, when confidence is shot so goes form and hunger. 

Zagreb won because they believed in what they were doing. This can't be said about Chelsea for the past several months. 

Im sorry but that is one of the most moronic things I’ve ever heard.

To use an excuse such as the players aren’t believing in what their doing for a lack of basic effort and showing a bit of fight or passion for the shirt is beyond me.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Chelsea have opened talks with Brighton’s Graham Potter over their vacant manager’s job after sacking Thomas Tuchel in the wake of Tuesday’s 1-0 defeat at Dinamo Zagreb in the Champions League.

Potter is Chelsea’s first choice, with Mauricio Pochettino their preferred backup option should talks break down and Zinedine Zidane another on the shortlist. Potter has a release clause which is believed to decrease each year and is currently about £16m.

Tuchel’s departure follows a disappointing start to the season, with the club having also been beaten by Leeds and Southampton in the Premier League, and has been on the cards after Tuchel’s relationship with the co-owner Todd Boehly unravelled during a chaotic summer transfer window. The pair had all but stopped communicating.

Chelsea have spent a record £266m in one window to bring in Wesley Fofana, Marc Cucurella, Raheem Sterling, Kalidou Koulibaly, Carney Chukwuemeka and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang among others. That increased the pressure on Tuchel but not all were his signings and there were other instances of the ownership attempting to foist players on him.

One example was the case of Anthony Gordon, who Tuchel did not want. Boehly’s data analysts had pushed for the Everton midfielder after being impressed by some of his performance metrics. Tuchel came to feel he had too many players to accommodate and not enough he could count on.

Chelsea paid £55m for Cucurella despite having the England left-back Ben Chilwell in their ranks. It is unclear quite how badly Tuchel wanted or needed Cucurella, who Manchester City had chased before deeming him too expensive.

Chukwuemeka, the 18-year-old rising midfield star, was more of a club signing. Boehly is determined to foster a second track of players within the first-team squad, comprising a significant number of academy products and young prospects.

Tuchel was prepared to allow the academy product Armando Broja to leave, believing he was not yet ready for his team and with West Ham having offered £30m. But the club ended up giving the striker a lucrative new six-year deal, leaving Tuchel under pressure to give him minutes.

There are other players Tuchel was prepared to move on only for them to stay, including Hakim Ziyech, who was of interest to Ajax. In terms of the incoming business, Tuchel said last Friday that the club had probably overpaid – out of necessity. “It’s maybe hard to argue when they say it’s way too much money,” he said.

Tuchel admitted there was “always a risk in everything and in every last-minute deal” when he considered the deadline-day loan signing of the midfielder Denis Zakaria from Juventus.

Boehly learned that some senior players were unhappy with Tuchel’s tactics and is keen to make his own appointment. Chelsea used three formations in Zagreb, one of which included using Sterling in central midfield.

The squad were surprised to be given time off after the 3-0 defeat at Leeds in August and some wondered whether Tuchel would have taken the same approach in the early part of his reign.

The sacking took place face-to-face with the owners on Wednesday morning at the Cobham training ground and Tuchel’s three coaches – Arno Michels, Zsolt Löw and Benjamin Weber – are expected to depart.

Tuchel has been extremely outspoken about the squad’s readiness to compete, beginning with his explosive remarks after the 4-0 defeat by Arsenal on the club’s US tour. The owners began to see the same complaints from him and the same excuses but no solutions, with Zagreb representing the nadir. “At the moment, everything is missing,” he said on Tuesday night. The owners have felt his comments affected the players’ confidence.

Tuchel felt isolated after the departures of his close allies Marina Granovskaia, a director, and Petr Cech, the technical and performance adviser. The US tour was heavy on tension, as a number of players in the travelling party faced uncertain futures. Tuchel frequently cut a frustrated figure.

 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

Just now, OneMoSalah said:

Im sorry but that is one of the most moronic things I’ve ever heard.

To use an excuse such as the players aren’t believing in what their doing for a lack of basic effort and showing a bit of fight or passion for the shirt is beyond me.

Moronic is believing a human being should perform 100% even when their confidence is shot. 

We have a manager who virtually hasn't a clue in what he wants. He implements a footballing philosophy that has zero sense of direction and players playing out of position. He criticises the players weekly and tarnishes relationships with everyone.

Tuchel goes on record saying he doesn't know how to fix the issues at the club, and you have the audacity to complain about the players. Why should the players believe in what they are doing when the manager doesn't? 😂

 

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

37 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

And that was down to Tuchel, playing players out of position, fucking formations that didn't suit.

Don't get me wrong I liked Tommy but he had totally lost it.

Sure, but so now we decided to ignore everything that happened regarding the sale, half+ of the staff leaving, and the very late numerous signings in the window? And pretend it was all down to the manager, who has been more of a coach than manager from day one?
Sorry, don't buy that.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

8 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Sure, but so now we decided to ignore everything that happened regarding the sale, half+ of the staff leaving, and the very late numerous signings in the window? And pretend it was all down to the manager, who has been more of a coach than manager from day one?
Sorry, don't buy that.

It's simple very simple, all the old staff have pretty much gone the last one of the old regime was the manager, he's now also gone! Was always going to happen at some point, same with any business that changes owner ship out staff they didn't employ.

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

56 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

First one. Much love for Reece. What a guy. 

Reece little by little showing us why he should be the next captain.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

1 hour ago, Duppy Conqueror said:

I don’t buy that TB didnt want TT.why back him so much in the transfer window. It’s obviously whats gone on since the Spurs game,that’s caused it.

sad day at the bridge.thanks for the good times Tommy and keeping us together during unprecidated times.

Reports are TB kept TT there because he was the only one who knew about football so used him to get through the transfer window and brought in players no manager wouldn't mind working with bar auba.

[calculatingInfinity 1,472]

Better late than never.

 

The down fall of his Chelsea side did not just start with the sanctions against Roman, it started months before that. Terrible football and no results anymore, and his personality on top, makes me very happy about this decision.

 

 

[Gundalf 806]

Btw, no English manager has ever won the PL or CL so far 😂

You have to go back to 1991 and 1984. Make of that what u want. 

[milka 3,393]

Todd Boehly wants Graham Potter to be the man in charge for many years, Dave Roberts at LA Dodgers has been in charge for 7 years. Boehly and Potter are set to have dinner together. (

@SkySportsNews

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

Dinner is serious business with Todd.

[Vegetable 830]

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

Bravo TB, Tuchel had an immediate spark and was a great hire at the time. But it was clear as of last season, that he peaked and his trajectory was only going down.

seriously if Tuchel wasn’t fired today, how else would have this ended? The only thing we would have seen is rock bottom. He wasn't capable of turning this around.

Well, let's be aware, that historically, since +\- Vialli, so modern football of sorts, our managers win rate was 55%, give or take 5%, with TT having one of the highest ratios. We can't sack a manager and replace half of the squad every time we start loosing, for god's sake. 

Especially when it's burdened with same problem as players - no clearly better replacement available, more of same stuff, but different and more expensive. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

3 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Well, let's be aware, that historically, since +\- Vialli, so modern football of sorts, our managers win rate was 55%, give or take 5%, with TT having one of the highest ratios. We can't sack a manager and replace half of the squad every time we start loosing, for god's sake. 

Especially when it's burdened with same problem as players - no clearly better replacement available, more of same stuff, but different and more expensive. 

Last season from April to the end of the season TT win % had dropped to 44%

[Costa19 858]

8 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Dinner is serious business with Todd.

Great food!

[Gundalf 806]

Throwback to 2020: https://www.wearebrighton.com/newsopinion/after-50-games-in-charge-of-brighton-is-the-potter-project-working/

With Potter we will have to be very very patient. I hope all are aware of this. Maybe it even means a few years without CL football. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

58 minutes ago, Kong said:

It's simple very simple, all the old staff have pretty much gone the last one of the old regime was the manager, he's now also gone! Was always going to happen at some point, same with any business that changes owner ship out staff they didn't employ.

That's far more plausible. 👍

28 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Well, let's be aware, that historically, since +\- Vialli, so modern football of sorts, our managers win rate was 55%, give or take 5%, with TT having one of the highest ratios. We can't sack a manager and replace half of the squad every time we start loosing, for god's sake. 

Especially when it's burdened with same problem as players - no clearly better replacement available, more of same stuff, but different and more expensive. 

Completely agree and it dangerously empowers players further.... good luck to the next manager. 

24 minutes ago, Kong said:

Last season from April to the end of the season TT win % had dropped to 44%

Very predictable due to the many ongoing things, including key players singing pre-contracts. Once again, things don't happen in a vacuum nor was it all down to the manager (who was more like a coach).

Does anyone believe Rudiger was giving his 100% after signing a pre-contract with Madrid? I don't.

Edited September 7, 2022 by robsblubot

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

Potter's first ECL game is at home to Salzberg, should be his first win in Europe🙄

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

4 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

Potter's first ECL game is at home to Salzberg, should be his first win in Europe🙄

Potter has European experience.

Potter started his managerial career in January 2011 with Swedish club Östersund. He won three promotions and the Svenska Cupen with Östersund, leading them to the 2017–18 UEFA Europa League knockout stage.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Kong

[Gundalf 806]

11 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

Potter's first ECL game is at home to Salzberg, should be his first win in Europe🙄

Call it Austrian bias but Salzburg will be a bigger struggle for us than Milan. Their biggest strength is our biggest weakness. 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Gundalf