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6 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Werner on the LW might explain why Lampard keeps putting Pulisic on the RW. 

No. Playing Werner on the LW, with him operating like a winger is just stupid. We would just be wasting his qualities, might as well have not bought him. If we're gonna play Werner on the left side, then it should be when we play a back 3 system and not a back 4. 

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6 minutes ago, Jason said:

No. Playing Werner on the LW, with him operating like a winger is just stupid. We would just be wasting his qualities, might as well have not bought him. If we're gonna play Werner on the left side, then it should be when we play a back 3 system and not a back 4. 

I would hope there is a better reason that he keeps putting Pulisic on the RW other than making room for Mount as a winger.

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2 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I would hope there is a better reason that he keeps putting Pulisic on the RW other than making room for Mount as a winger.

Am guessing he doesn't want to make the left side too attack minded with Chilwell and Pulisic? Although that doesn't really make sense since James isn't exactly a defensive full back and would think the long term plan is to have Ziyech and James on that right side, which is hardly defensive minded side. 

[MoroccanBlue 4,880]

Think many need to remember that United will be without Martial and possibly Greenwood too. That limits their pace up top with only Rashford, and James if Ole has the balls to play him again. 

We won't need to go 343 here. It will be Silva+Zouma vs Cavani. 

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Did Cavani get game time after the restart last year?

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20 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Did Cavani get game time after the restart last year?

No. He's had zero game time. 

Both Martial and Greenwood out would be huge in terms of how we set up. 

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

In a back 3 system, think it's fine to play Werner on the left on the front 3 because he'll operate much closer to the striker position (as opposed to wide on the flanks in a back 4 system). He played there for Leipzig and has done the same for Germany too, I believe. In fact, I'm kinda curious to see if we'll use Werner alongside alongside Abraham or Giroud, who he can play off with like he did with Poulsen at Leipzig.

Yeah possibly but I cant see FL going 343 anytime soon, lets see what he is conjuring up come saturday

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4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

No. He's had zero game time. 

Both Martial and Greenwood out would be huge in terms of how we set up. 

It is hard to see how Ole would put Cavani as a starter in a big game when he has not played a meaningful game in 2020. Ole was not very trusting of his subs last year,

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I know it is not our game, but Everton is losing quite a few players for this and possibly next game. A win can really bunch up the top of the table for us. This year is shaping up to be a year that we could make a run for the top, if we can get our team rolling.

[MoroccanBlue 4,880]

I would play Mount, but only at RW. He can add much needed protection for James against Rashford.Other than that, imagine Chilwell, Pulisic, and Werner terrorising that left side?

Again, all this talk will be pointless if the players aren't focused and Lampard isn't drilling into them the game plan of a disciplined performance. 

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1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

It is hard to see how Ole would put Cavani as a starter in a big game when he has not played a meaningful game in 2020. Ole was not very trusting of his subs last year,

Thats a bit of an odd statement. It’s actually incorrect because OGS started Telles last v PSG for his debut. Which v PSG would defo say is a big game. Also started Fred, who has only played 145 minutes so far this season so again debunks the doesn’t trust his subs carry on. Scott McTominay as well started and has played just 225 minutes. Axel Tuanzebe also started for his first game all season but was more likely forced but again he put him in and the way he played by the sounds of it wouldn’t be surprised if he plays against us. Playing those guys v PSG is probably as big a sign he trusts them as theyll get. 

For any manager, not just OGS, at any club, why would you not throw in someone who despite only making 22 appearances due to injury last season still scored 7 goals, who if fit could have a good impact?

United will look better with an actual 9 I reckon and not a winger upfront. Whether or not Cavani is the man for them, although I think he still has plenty to give, I don’t know.

Cavani has a good goal record against us as well from his time in Naples and Paris. Lets hope he doesn’t play even at 33 think he could get a few chances.

I think they will set up the same against us as they did v PSG though and just try to exploit us on transitions. This is a huge game for Frank, not picking up any points here leaves us with 8 points after 6 games and whatever way you look at it, thats not great. When you consider the fact we drew with West Brom and Southampton in the manner we did, I think we need to get a win. Then have to beat Burnley, Sheffield United, Newcastle before the Spurs game comes up at the end of next month or the pressure will get more intense. 

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I don't think Cavani was a sub for PSG. It is hard to imagine not thinking he is ready to play any minutes to starter in 4 days.

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4 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I don't think Cavani was a sub for PSG. It is hard to imagine not thinking he is ready to play any minutes to starter in 4 days.

Only made 7 starts in Ligue 1, 7 more appearances as a sub. Then 3 CL games and 3 French cup games (not sure if he started them or not) but he was more or less second choice to Icardi when he was fit and did miss portions of the season due to injury. 

I think he has been training prior to signing for United. Plus he’s had 14 days self isolating, where I am sure he has managed some sort of exercise work again as more so now clubs have been making programmes for people to maintain their fitness during the lockdown initially and will have more than likely continued that for guys self isolating so I don't think its completely unlikely he could feature.

Hes only trained with his United team mates since Sunday according to the Express. I mean I think with how the pre-seasons gone for most clubs and players, its hardly out of the picture to think he could play. If he was lacking fitness he wouldn’t of been outside doing much with the group I wouldn’t have thought.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1350024/Edinson-Cavani-debut-why-not-playing-PSG-when-Cavani-Man-Utd-debut-evg/amp

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There's being fit and match ready. 

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2 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

It is hard to see how Ole would put Cavani as a starter in a big game when he has not played a meaningful game in 2020. Ole was not very trusting of his subs last year,

He put Tuanzebe on Neymar and Mbappé after Tuanzebe hadn't featuring in little over a year.

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3 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I would hope there is a better reason that he keeps putting Pulisic on the RW other than making room for Mount as a winger.

In lamp setup we want a player who stay wide on the right, it is puli and cho. Essentially if you play puli on the left you kinda have to start cho. 

 

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4 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Good lineup but why play Werner there, Puli should be there instead and Werner as striker.......Giroud would be better bet than Tammy anyway.

You can certainly play puli and Werner up top no problem. But I want fresher leg plus I want more than just speed behind, tammy offer different all around package. Better holder, and can offer physicality to the game. 

On LW, it does not matter if we play werner or puli. Whoever fresher should play. One of them can come in later on. 

In 343,Tammy is actually better than Giroud. You kinda want an all arounder because without midfield support you are tasked to do almost everything. 

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2 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

There's being fit and match ready. 

There is but how are you meant to get match fit not playing any games? At some point you've got to play somebody, match fitness and getting some rhythm from playing games is different from training yes but they can't get it keeping someone out... I think they'll throw him in if they don't play 3412 again. 

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

There is but how are you meant to get match fit not playing any games? At some point you've got to play somebody, match fitness and getting some rhythm from playing games is different from training yes but they can't get it keeping someone out... I think they'll throw him in if they don't play 3412 again. 

It's the risk involved. Tossing in a player who hasn't played competitive football in months in a game as prolific as this. 

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11 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

It's the risk involved. Tossing in a player who hasn't played competitive football in months in a game as prolific as this. 

It is but I think the fact they didn't take him to Paris and he stayed behind with Maguire, Greenwood and whoever else to train would indicate they want him ready and could possibly be looking to use him in the game v us. By sounds of what Solskjaer said in his interview, he's hinted more that Cavani will be closer/more ready than those others who stayed behind. Course the risk is greater because he hasn't played competitive football since March at club level (think it was March they cancelled Ligue 1?) but I don't think its highly unlikely he will have been doing work prior to his contract expiring and maintaining it over the period he was out of contract. Plus as mentioned before the time he was self isolating, he wouldn't just of been sitting about and he's been in about with their first team training so would think he will be close to offering something be it starting for 55-60 minutes or coming on for 25-30 minutes. And either way I hope he doesn't. He's a different proposition to what they have in CF positions and now the fact they have Fernandes who can find those guys in the advanced positions, as I said I hope he doesn't play because everytime he seems to do so against us he has a tendency to score.