🇩🇪 Kai Havertz

[Valdo 583]

51 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Lets wait to see how Werner, Ziyech and others adapt to PL. Then we can talk about great deals or flops. 

Even Jorgi and Kepa ultimately proved they were flops and not worth the money and time.

Since Torres, Morata etc I prefer to wait even if a big name is signed.

Chelsea have signed Werner and Ziyech.

There ya go, 2 big name signings.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

10 minutes ago, Valdo said:

Chelsea have signed Werner and Ziyech.

There ya go, 2 big name signings.

By that I meant even if we sign a big name (that Werner and Ziyech defo are) doesnt mean they are gonna be big players for us.

They might flop, so I will wait first to see how they play here and then judge if the board did a good job identifying and buying them.

[Valdo 583]

6 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

By that I meant even if we sign a big name (that Werner and Ziyech defo are) doesnt mean they are gonna be big players for us.

They might flop, so I will wait first to see how they play here and then judge if the board did a good job identifying and buying them.

I know, that was "phun" intended. I think Ziyech will settle in the league sooner then Werner, I think Werner might struggle the first couple of weeks. But I'm sure they won't turn out to be Torres/Morata/Bakayoko/Drinkwater w/e level signings.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

18 minutes ago, Valdo said:

I know, that was "phun" intended. I think Ziyech will settle in the league sooner then Werner, I think Werner might struggle the first couple of weeks. But I'm sure they won't turn out to be Torres/Morata/Bakayoko/Drinkwater w/e level signings.

haha i see.

I agree, Ziyech and Kai if signed will definately adapt to the league in their own way because they have quality, question is if they suit the league. Like Di Maria who is absolute class, just not for PL.

Werner isnt technical, so there is always some chance he just isnt good enough for a big club. He could flop easier than other two signings. We shall see.

I hope they form some badass attack in couple seasons.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Liverpool was in for Werner, but Liverpool was undecisive about the move and Werner is here.

If the reports that almost all is done are true, then Kai will be here sooner or later. Its big transfer and this takes time.

But if we are ducking around, I can see United get ahead. They too have UCL, and after sevilla loss they must improve and have money since they didnt buy Sancho.

[Pulisicismydaddy 91]

3 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Liverpool was in for Werner, but Liverpool was undecisive about the move and Werner is here.

If the reports that almost all is done are true, then Kai will be here sooner or later. Its big transfer and this takes time.

But if we are ducking around, I can see United get ahead. They too have UCL, and after sevilla loss they must improve and have money since they didnt buy Sancho.

They didn't buy Sancho specifically because they don't have the money, also why would they be after Havertz with Bruno and Pogba.

I agree however I'm very worried about this transfer, Matt Law and others saying it's a matter of when not if but this silence on all fronts puts me off, if no positive news this week I seriously think we blew it.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 minute ago, Pulisicismydaddy said:

They didn't buy Sancho specifically because they don't have the money, also why would they be after Havertz with Bruno and Pogba.

I agree however I'm very worried about this transfer, Matt Law and others saying it's a matter of when not if but this silence on all fronts puts me off, if no positive news this week I seriously think we blew it.

Leverkusen CEO said Kai is ready for the next step just last week. IMO the rumours have gone silent because pretty much everyone knows at this point Kai to Chelsea is not a surprise anymore. The only next step is official confirmation. 

It was the same with Werner. Apparently he agreed terms and then it was nothing for couple weeks and then announcement.

With United and cash I meant they have enough for Kai. They were willing to pay 100m for Sancho, but Bvb wanted 120m. But 100m would be enough to buy Kai. 

They dont need Kai, they need proper winger. But you know how clubs work these days. United has cash and they will hope to land a supertalent now with Sancho out of the picture. And there arent many bigger talents than Kai out there. 

But IMO this is a done deal. If it wasnt all bs since the beggining and Kai realy wants us etc, then its done deal.

[Superblue 6,372]

10 minutes ago, Pulisicismydaddy said:

They didn't buy Sancho specifically because they don't have the money, also why would they be after Havertz with Bruno and Pogba.

I agree however I'm very worried about this transfer, Matt Law and others saying it's a matter of when not if but this silence on all fronts puts me off, if no positive news this week I seriously think we blew it.

I'm pretty sure the Werner deal was similar to this though. Got 'leaked' out that Chelsea were in the driving seat ready to complete the deal but everything went quiet for a week or so before it heated back up again and the deal was announced. 

And that was a simple release clause deal. This one is far more complicated and as a result the negotiations are likely to be more long winded because we'll want to structure the deal and/or clauses as favourably as possible for us. 

There hasn't been anything from a reliable journo to suggest that this has broken down and the suggestions that Havertz has decided he wants to come to us are only a positive. I just think some patience is needed with this one.

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

haha i see.

I agree, Ziyech and Kai if signed will definately adapt to the league in their own way because they have quality, question is if they suit the league. Like Di Maria who is absolute class, just not for PL.

I think ADM was more a case of he quickly realized how shit that United side were and if they were going do anything of any note he'd have to carry them in ways never seen in the PL before.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

You know what Werner has that makes for a smooth transition?SPEED, really fucking fast speed and control when going really fucking fast. He also seems genuinely humble in his pursuit to improve.

[Pizy 18,909]

14 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

You know what Werner has that makes for a smooth transition?SPEED, really fucking fast speed and control when going really fucking fast. He also seems genuinely humble in his pursuit to improve.

Exactly. If there's one thing defenders hate it's pace. I don't think Timo will struggle early at all. Perhaps if he's thrown straight in as the CF it'll take some getting used to. But with Pulisic likely starting the season out injured I expect Werner will begin on the left. So he'll be able to unleash his pace and sprinting in behind from the off.

And I don't know where this stuff about him not being "technical" is coming from. Have you watched him? Looks more than capable to me. He's not Neymar or Hazard on the ball but he is easily capable of dribbling defenders and playing in tight spaces. When I think of forwards who are not technical I think Lukaku/Tammy.

[Special Juan 28,141]

This week

[Dimitr 488]

Let’s gooo

[Jase 43,479]

18 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

Let’s gooo

Is that any different to what we have been hearing/reading?  

We have known for ages that it's about the payment structure and yet, they are taking ages to agree on it! 

And not to mention, Kevin Palmer knows F all! He's just saying the same stuff that others are saying, same like that wannabe journalist Simon Phillips!

[Pizy 18,909]

^ Yep. Kevin Palmer is a bullshitter who knows nothing.

[Jase 43,479]

11 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Lets wait to see how Werner, Ziyech and others adapt to PL. Then we can talk about great deals or flops. 

Even Jorgi and Kepa ultimately proved they were flops and not worth the money and time.

Since Torres, Morata etc I prefer to wait even if a big name is signed.

That is strange, considering you pretty much wrote off Pulisic before he even kicked the ball for us... 

[Jase 43,479]

9 hours ago, Valdo said:

I know, that was "phun" intended. I think Ziyech will settle in the league sooner then Werner, I think Werner might struggle the first couple of weeks. But I'm sure they won't turn out to be Torres/Morata/Bakayoko/Drinkwater w/e level signings.

 

9 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

haha i see.

I agree, Ziyech and Kai if signed will definately adapt to the league in their own way because they have quality, question is if they suit the league. Like Di Maria who is absolute class, just not for PL.

Werner isnt technical, so there is always some chance he just isnt good enough for a big club. He could flop easier than other two signings. We shall see.

I hope they form some badass attack in couple seasons.

You lot talk about Werner like he's some dud from the Danish league or something. 

And is this a competition or something - Ziyech or Werner to settle in first before the other? Ideally, we would want both to settle in ASAP but as we all know and Lampard has mentioned before, we need to give them some time to settle in. 

[Dimitr 488]

We only knew that we are in discussions with Bayern . We didn’t know if we made official bid yet (probably not) . If Kevin palmer says the truth ,then we know that we have agreed the fee for havertz and we are focusing on instalments of the deal .

[BlueLyon 9,359]

36 minutes ago, Jason said:

That is strange, considering you pretty much wrote off Pulisic before he even kicked the ball for us... 

I was sceptic about Puli and for 65m someone who didnt exactly pull brilliant numbers and was injured, its normal. I also said I will support the dude, like all players but that is forgotten?

Then again Puli had great few games. Anyone, even Alonso or Jorginho had a run of great games. Im not just gonna change my opinion after couple games and join the bandwagon. Yet people are already calling him next Hazard and that he will be better than Hazard. Maybe. But lets wait if he can actualy deliver entire season of this. Then I will say I was truly wrong about him. 

It was same about Jorginho. I was sceptic and yet he had a good run, but ultimately wasnt good enough. Puli has a long way to show his worth. Few games are nothing compared to whole season of leading us on next level, like Costa, Hazard did in recent history.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

I was sceptic about Puli and for 65m someone who didnt exactly pull brilliant numbers and was injured, its normal. I also said I will support the dude, like all players but that is forgotten?

Then again Puli had great few games. Anyone, even Alonso or Jorginho had a run of great games. Im not just gonna change my opinion after couple games and join the bandwagon. Yet people are already calling him next Hazard and that he will be better than Hazard. Maybe. But lets wait if he can actualy deliver entire season of this. Then I will say I was truly wrong about him. 

It was same about Jorginho. I was sceptic and yet he had a good run, but ultimately wasnt good enough. Puli has a long way to show his worth. 

So we are moving the goalpost here from "whether he can do it in the Premier League?" to "whether he can perform beyond a season?"?

Few games? Pulisic was already good when he broke into the first XI since last October and he got even better after the restart. He has shown the qualities that he can succeed here, especially when his playing style is similar to Hazard. The question of course is whether he can stay fit for at least 90% of the season. Otherwise, I have no doubt that he will do well for us and he also has the right mentality and attitude to go with his talent. 

Not sure about the Jorginho comparison because he is ultimately a limited player and a system player - which Pulisic isn't. Play him in a system like Sarri's, yeah, he will likely do well. Otherwise, he is unable to do that and although he plays in a different position to Pulisic, Jorginho has so many more flaws to his game. 

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

Few games are nothing compared to whole season of leading us on next level, like Costa, Hazard did in recent history.

Hazard and Costa led us to the next level? That certainly made a difference domestically in helping us to win titles but I don't they carried us to the level like Man City and Liverpool are at. Granted, it's not entirely their fault that we didn't build a great squad all those years ago but yeah, we yo-yo-ed between success and disaster, even with them. Hazard did well domestically but didn't (still doesn't) turn up in Europe. Costa also somewhat similar and he tended to fall off the pace in the second half of the season.