🇩🇪 Kai Havertz

[Jase 43,479]

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

3 hours ago, Ryan Fong said:

A Leverkusen fan wrote the followings at Redcafe’s Havertz thread: (he replied someone said something like EPL has tighter space than Bundesliga blah blah blah)


“I disagree completely. The EPL used to have higher pace but that was primarily due to most English teams kept playing football that was tactically outdated. Bottom and mid table teams are still doing that while the top teams have finally made their homework and adjusted their playing styles to modern approaches (high pressing, counterpressing, fast transitions, controlled build up instead of rushed box to box action and longballs, etc.). The main reason for that is that foreign top coaches joined the league (Klopp, Guardiola, Sarri, Conte, Hasenhüttl, etc.) while some of the old guard finally left (Wenger).

Still, teams in the Bundesliga press much more ferociously than their English counterparts which means that there's significantly less space for midfielders. Fabregas exemplarily said that when Özil signed for Arsenal. And no, I'm not comparing him with de Bruyne, I explicitly said that he would be the best CAM in the EPL if it wasn't for the Belgian. But that's also because currently, there's not really an abundance of great attacking midfielders in England.

However, I think you underrate him because his playing style is rather subtle than spectacular - his type of player usually gets more love from Spanish/Italian fans than British ones. You need to watch closely to understand why he's so good. His movement, timing and problem solution in tight spaces is outstanding. I don't think there's another midfielder currently in world football who's so pressing resistant and confident in his passing while simultaneously posing such a goal threat. His finishing in the box is downright exceptional. He outperforms his xG by quite a margin which usually only few players with high goal output accomplish. All the while maintaining 85% passing accuracy although he played almost a third of his matches as a striker. De Bruyne exemplarily is at 81% passing accuracy and significantly underperforms in terms of xG, suggesting that Havertz chance conversion is already better than his.”

German league has some of the worst defending in top leagues. There is so much space its just funny. Sounds to me whoever wrote this is big fan of Buli and made this quite subjective.

There is never ever a player gonna get this much space in England, Spain or Italy as they get in Buli.

[Valdo 583]

25 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Ugh, I was hoping this would be done soon.

[NikkiCFC 8,322]

Relax...

It was the same with Werner.

No £54m Chelsea deal in place for Werner, claims RB Leipzig director

“We haven't had an exchange yet,” he told Sky Sports Deutschland on the 24-year-old. “Accordingly, we have nothing to report. Timo Werner is a player for RB Leipzig. He signalled a few weeks ago that he was busy with a transfer. Until now nothing is done.

“We are concentrating on the final sprint in the league. We want to qualify for the Champions League. That is the only thing we are currently discussing with Timo. 

12 days later.

OFFICIAL: Chelsea sign Werner

Chelsea have announced the signing of 24-year-old RB Leipzig forward Timo Werner on a 5-year deal. The club note that he will join the Blues in July and is still to pass a medical.

 

[Dimitr 488]

Same words like Werner transfer saga .

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Pizy 18,909]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

We pulling an Arsenal here offering amounts we know they won't accept? 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

We pulling an Arsenal here offering amounts we know they won't accept? 

But we are talking about 100 million and in the current pandemic situation...

[Puliiszola 519]

Just now, Pizy said:

We pulling an Arsenal here offering amounts we know they won't accept? 

Nah. I think 80m€ is the market value and enough specially with corona. We are sticking to our guns knowing the player wants to come and it's in bayer's best interest to keep him happy so that he can give his best in Europa too.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Relax lads, this will be done.

[Pizy 18,909]

Falk now saying the same thing. Bayer are telling him to play EL (as you would expect them to). Again, if you're Havertz why do you play? Tell the club you want to go and come to an agreeable fee.

I've got so invested in this saga now that I'll be seriously let down if it doesn't happen. Looks like it'll drag on for a few more weeks at least. 

[Jase 43,479]

9 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Falk now saying the same thing. Bayer are telling him to play EL (as you would expect them to). Again, if you're Havertz why do you play? Tell the club you want to go and come to an agreeable fee.

I've got so invested in this saga now that I'll be seriously let down if it doesn't happen. Looks like it'll drag on for a few more weeks at least. 

Hope the move fails.

[Rapkun 668]

If they stick to their 100m valuation and we don't buy him, they will end up with an unhappy player who will leave for much cheaper next season. No reason to rush this. 100 is far too much especially considering the circumstances.

[Pizy 18,909]

The unhappy player thing is always overblown I think. Especially with a player so young and especially when he'll only have a year on his contract if he is made to stay. Bayer forcing him to stay just fucks them. They will get nowhere near what we can offer now and they'd probably be watching their crown jewel moving to Bayern where he'd haunt them for a decade or more.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Personal terms done, talks ongoing....Bayer needing the cash after the whole pandemic to keep the club ticking, Kai wanting the move...

It's all the same, he is coming but EL is important to them...agree it all, let him play, we play ball they play ball we get Kai they get the cash.

[Rapkun 668]

8 minutes ago, Pizy said:

The unhappy player thing is always overblown I think. Especially with a player so young and especially when he'll only have a year on his contract if he is made to stay. Bayer forcing him to stay just fucks them. They will get nowhere near what we can offer now and they'd probably be watching their crown jewel moving to Bayern where he'd haunt them for a decade or more.

The unhappy player thing is very real. Plenty of instances where the player looking to leave never played at the same level again. Just look at Zaha from this season compared to last. Obviously every player and every situation is different. but even if Havertz is not the unprofessional type and agrees to stay. If he feels he has outgrown the team, he could unconsciously lose motivation and not try as hard which could also hinder his progress as a young player.

Bayer is trying to squeeze us for every penny they can get. If we were desperate to sign him, maybe we would have agreed to their demands but we have enough players in his position and still need to strenghten in others. They on the other hand are obligated to sell now and the player has already asked to leave. We're the only team who can pay close to what they're asking. They're not in a position of strength at all. Forcing him to play in the EL is a tactic to get Marina to offer more.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

no new news really what Kicker said.

 

He was probably always going to have to play EL for Leverkusen regardless.  Talks ongoing, im sure if the deal is happening there'll be something to report soon enough

[Pizy 18,909]

31 minutes ago, Rapkun said:

The unhappy player thing is very real. Plenty of instances where the player looking to leave never played at the same level again. Just look at Zaha from this season compared to last. Obviously every player and every situation is different. but even if Havertz is not the unprofessional type and agrees to stay. If he feels he has outgrown the team, he could unconsciously lose motivation and not try as hard which could also hinder his progress as a young player.

Bayer is trying to squeeze us for every penny they can get. If we were desperate to sign him, maybe we would have agreed to their demands but we have enough players in his position and still need to strenghten in others. They on the other hand are obligated to sell now and the player has already asked to leave. We're the only team who can pay close to what they're asking. They're not in a position of strength at all. Forcing him to play in the EL is a tactic to get Marina to offer more.

I just think back to us with Hazard. From everything I've seen and read Havertz seems like a quiet, shy, and reserved dude. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who will pull a Diego Costa or Courtois and refuse to turn up and train or kick up a massive fuss. Like Eden, I think if Bayer says they will not sell him this summer he'd just get his head down and play the next season knowing he'll move next summer.

He's not nearing 30 with one last big move before he starts to wane. There's no real pressure for him to have to move now. 

[Jype 6,398]

6 hours ago, Pizy said:

I just think back to us with Hazard. From everything I've seen and read Havertz seems like a quiet, shy, and reserved dude. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who will pull a Diego Costa or Courtois and refuse to turn up and train or kick up a massive fuss. Like Eden, I think if Bayer says they will not sell him this summer he'd just get his head down and play the next season knowing he'll move next summer.

He's not nearing 30 with one last big move before he starts to wane. There's no real pressure for him to have to move now. 

The thing is though, Havertz made his wishes about leaving clear to Leverkusen already a year ago. Or at least that's what the reports are saying.

So if that's true then it's more a Hazard 2018-19 type of situation when the club had already convinced him to stay another year the summer before and he was happy to do that with the promise of a move the following year, but what would've happened if the club still refused to sell Hazard a year later? Same way Havertz might not be happy if he's been promised a move this year and Leverkusen were to go back on their word.

It's all about the EL and always has been.

[Dimitr 488]