Super Frank Thread

[Puliiszola 519]

24 minutes ago, Jason said:

Equally, if the system in place isn't suitable best suited to the players available, then the team performance will also suffer. Werner, for example, isn't a winger but is asked to do the winger things and at Everton, we had no wingers whatsoever to play the 4-3-3 but we played the 4-3-3 anyway. 

We were 17 games unbeaten with almost all the games playing a formation of 4-3-3. 

I can bet that 95% of us in the match thread predicted/wanted the line up FL put up and were even happy with it.

As for werner, sadly I don't think puli and ziyech have been fit at the same time, meaning werner having to deputise as a winger for all of the season so far. 

 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Puliiszola said:

We were 17 games unbeaten with almost all the games playing a formation of 4-3-3. 

I can bet that 95% of us in the match thread predicted/wanted the line up FL put up and were even happy with it.

We played 4-3-3 in those games because we at least had the wingers for it. Ziyech was available and even CHO was available. That wasn't the case at Everton, for example, and we ended up shifting Havertz there and he just looked lost. Then at Wolves, Pulisic was available but is only effective on the LW while Werner is not suited to either flanks. 

7 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

As for werner, sadly I don't think puli and ziyech have been fit at the same time, meaning werner having to deputise as a winger for all of the season so far. 

We had CHO and Ziyech available at the same time at some point but Lampard did zilch with it. Still decided to stick Werner out wide on the LW anyway. 

If Lampard really wants to persist with Werner out on the LW, then he needs to look at changing his role because it's clear as hell that he's not a winger. His confidence is probably already shot from being asked to do things that he isn't good at.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

53 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I would have done the same. 

He is a good super sub. And good to have for another season. 

Everton it was evident Giroud should've been brought off at half time and against Wolves he shouldn't of even started. 

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

8 hours ago, Jason said:

Havertz and Werner might need Chelsea formation change to bring best out them

https://theathletic.com/2264487/2020/12/16/werner-havertz-formation-chelsea/?source=emp_shared_article

 

 

I suggested that before Everton. Now with wingers back no point...

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

4 hours ago, killer1257 said:

 Man City would never won the title without KDB and Aguero two seasons ago

City won 98 points that season. KDB played 974 minutes in the PL of possible 3420. 

He played just 28.4% of games. And 3 of their 4 losses came with him in the squad.

Liverpool conceded more goals in 4 games with VVD this season than in all others without him this season in the PL and CL.

They beat Barca 4:0 with Origi, Shaqiri...

They have systems.

I do not understand this narrative that we suffer because of the injuries. Pulisic played yesterday. CHO is not even on the bench when everyone is fit.

And why all this talk like we are one man team with Ziyech.  All his goals came in 3 games against 3 shit teams.

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

24 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I suggested that before Everton. Now with wingers back no point...

With wingers back it just makes Havertz redundant. Mount has eclipsed him when we all expected Havertz to hit the ground running. They can't even play together anymore considering Havertz looks bloody clueless with the ball. 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

You cant use injuries as an excuse unless its on biblical proportions, the moment you are relying on 1 player you are fucked.

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

With wingers back it just makes Havertz redundant. Mount has eclipsed him when we all expected Havertz to hit the ground running. They can't even play together anymore considering Havertz looks bloody clueless with the ball. 

Kante, Havertz, Mount midfield will never work against top teams or decent because there is no balance.

[killer1257 3,282]

You cant use injuries as an excuse unless its on biblical proportions, the moment you are relying on 1 player you are fucked.

Man city rely on KDB and Aguero. They clearly suffer from not having Aguero, because Jesus is not on his level.
Spurs rely on Son and Kane. If Son and Kane did play as much together as Pulisic and Ziyech did for us (ziyech and pulisic played on match together in CL), I don't think they would be in their current position. Furthermore, Liverpool rely on Mane and Salah. If Mane and Salah played as much together as Ziyech and Pulisic did for us, I don't see them being competitive for the title.

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[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Kante, Havertz, Mount midfield will never work against top teams or decent because there is no balance.

Agreed but its effective against the bottom half in closing games out. Now, it looks to be shit when Havertz virtually offers nothing. 

 

 

[Fernando 6,585]

You guys need to also understand that this season is unique and expect a lot of up and down. 

Look at Southampton being first at the moment. A team that got beat badly last season....

As a whole to me Lampard and Chelsea are fine. 2 loss is not going to change my mind as I judge based on results of months, progress in the area of youth and building for the future. 

Lampard is doing everything good and I'm sure the board see it as well. This was always a 3 year project. Lampard and company has made the right buys in this transfer window, now to progress and continue with the youth and the right buys in the next transfer window. 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

29 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Man city rely on KDB and Aguero. They clearly suffer from not having Aguero, because Jesus is not on his level.
Spurs rely on Son and Kane. If Son and Kane did play as much together as Pulisic and Ziyech did for us (ziyech and pulisic played on match together in CL), I don't think they would be in their current position. Furthermore, Liverpool rely on Mane and Salah. If Mane and Salah played as much together as Ziyech and Pulisic did for us, I don't see them being competitive for the title.

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Its still a collective effort though your point is fair enough.