Super Frank Thread

[killer1257 3,282]

I hope we don't lose the opportunity in trying to get nagelsmann. He is the one that we need to get for next season. 
As I doubt he will leave now, so Lampard will finish the season and next season get nagelsmann. 

Nagelsmann will cost couple of millions fee though and no chance we will get him during this season. Next season maybe, but like i said, he will not go for free.

And Nagelsmann is still very much high risk. People forget how good RB Leipzigs scouting team is and it is not like that Nagelsmann performened miracles with bad players. They get a lot of good, young players from outside Germany. We already went with AVB and it did not work

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[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

Nagelsmann will cost couple of millions fee though and no chance we will get him during this season. Next season maybe, but like i said, he will not go for free.

And Nagelsmann is still very much high risk. People forget how good RB Leipzigs scouting team is and it is not like that Nagelsmann performened miracles with bad players. They get a lot of good, young players from outside Germany. We already went with AVB and it did not work

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TBF, Nagelsmann also did well at Hoffenheim and got them into the Champions League.

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Plenty of questions on the defensive problems thrown at Lampard in today's presser...

[Fernando 6,585]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Plenty of questions on the defensive problems thrown at Lampard in today's presser...

Good, as it should be. 

[Alabama 1,992]

7 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I hope we don't lose the opportunity in trying to get nagelsmann. He is the one that we need to get for next season. 

As I doubt he will leave now, so Lampard will finish the season and next season get nagelsmann. 

It's easy to pinpoint and find the next shining toy to scapegoat...Nagelsman also has his flaws am not saying I wouldn't like or want him here but just like killer opined above....No clear cut candidates out there without their obvious weakness...In addition  Nagelsman with clowns like Kepa Zouma Christesen Rudiger and co is a recipe for disaster....

[Jase 43,479]

8 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Nagelsmann will cost couple of millions fee though and no chance we will get him during this season. Next season maybe, but like i said, he will not go for free.

And Nagelsmann is still very much high risk. People forget how good RB Leipzigs scouting team is and it is not like that Nagelsmann performened miracles with bad players. They get a lot of good, young players from outside Germany. We already went with AVB and it did not work

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6 minutes ago, Jason said:

TBF, Nagelsmann also did well at Hoffenheim and got them into the Champions League.

And another point here is that Nagelsmann is accumulating years as a manager before taking the next step to a bigger club. So, he's basically working his way up if you like. 

AVB only had 2 years of experience as a manager before taking over here while Lampard had only 1. 

[Jase 43,479]

Lampard doesn't look in good mood in the presser and is getting thrown A LOT of questions about the defensive issues.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

5 minutes ago, Alabama said:

is a recipe for disaster

Already is a disaster

[Vesper 30,081]

On 17/10/2020 at 7:56 PM, Tomo said:

The two best CB's realistically available last summer were probably Ruben Dias and Nathan Ake and they've hardly tightened City up, have they?

they were not remotely the 2 best available, especially Ake, who is so so overrated

we failed to sell most all of our huge dregs (mainly do to COVID-19 tbf), but IF we had liquidated a tonne

then ALL (not joking) of these could have been bought (not the whole lot all at once obviously, I mean each on an individual cases basis) of the following were within our grasp, IF we had so chosen to buy

we especially could have worked swaps + cash deals

money talks, especially in this window, look at what we did

there are others I could list too, but they would have cost too much (and the first one, Gimenez, is maybe the case as well)

José Giménez   
Kalidou Koulibaly    <<< too old for the money, BUt he was so available, and he is vastly better than Dias or Ake, I am pretty shocked that Manure did not buy him
David Alaba    << deffo was available, it was his wage demands that were insane
Stefan de Vrij   << thsi was his last year, in 2021 he is too old for the cash they will want (he turns 30yo in 15 months)
Milan Skriniar      
Alessio Romagnoli    <<< I may stop listing him, as AC Milan looks headed towards being a top 10 global team, and he has zero reason to leave, we should have bought him 5 years ago, fucking board
Ozan Kabak    
Marash Kumbulla   <<< he was sold
Felipe  (could have been part of a 2-fer with Kante going to AM, and Partey+Felipe coming here) 
Evan N'Dicka    
Edmond Tapsoba
 

next summer we need to buy two of the following

Dayot Upamecano <<<< MUST Buy

+ José Giménez

or if not Giménez (manly due to his cost),

Matthias Ginter or Evan N'Dicka (left footed) or Edmond Tapsoba

[killer1257 3,282]

TBF, Nagelsmann also did well at Hoffenheim and got them into the Champions League.

After that season, they placed ninth place. Favre also got Gladbach into the CL, but nobody here wants Favre and Gladbach at that time were horrible before Favre. They nearly got relegated, Favre came and brought them into CL one season after that.
Also, Hoffenheim have also great scouts like with Firminho and they have a big president with Hopp.

Nagelsmann might work here, because we do not have big names at Chelsea. AVB had to worry about Terry, Lampard and, Drogba, who were AVBs age and those guys did not respect young coaches, who were no names in their professional career. Ramos for instance did not rate Mourinho because Mou was a former low level player. Big players do not respect that, but we do not have big players no more, so Nagelsmann might work here

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1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

After that season, they placed ninth place. 

Yes but I don't think anyone fancied Hoffenheim to qualify for the Champions League and what happened after that was due to inexperience and not having the squad depth to cope. Nagelsmann certainly admitted the former about their Champions League campaign back then, saying he was wrong to set up Hoffenheim in the Champions League like they did in the Bundesliga because teams are more likely to punish mistakes, there needs to be more rigidity etc

6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Favre also got Gladbach into the CL, but nobody here wants Favre and Gladbach at that time were horrible before Favre. They nearly got relegated, Favre came and brought them into CL one season after that.

After getting Gladbach into the Champions League, Favre left the club after losing the first five games...

And let's not pretend Favre is all that great either. His football is boring and his time at a big club like Dortmund has hardly been convincing overall. You're not daft to know it's more than just the results when talking about Nagelsmann. 

9 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Also, Hoffenheim have also great scouts like with Firminho and they have a big president with Hopp.

Having great scouting system is one thing but it still needs the manager to improve and get the best out of the players he has. Can't say Nagelsmann hasn't done that. 

[Tomo 21,751]

11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

they were not remotely the 2 best available, especially Ake, who is so so overrated

we failed to sell most all of our huge dregs (mainly do to COVID-19 tbf), but IF we had liquidated a tonne

then ALL (not joking) of these could have been bought (not the whole lot all at once obviously, I mean each on an individual cases basis) of the following were within our grasp, IF we had so chosen to buy

we especially could have worked swaps + cash deals

money talks, especially in this window, look at what we did

there are others I could list too, but they would have cost too much (and the first one, Gimenez, is maybe the case as well)

José Giménez   
Kalidou Koulibaly    <<< too old for the money, BUt he was so available, and he is vastly better than Dias or Ake, I am pretty shocked that Manure did not buy him
David Alaba    << deffo was available, it was his wage demands that were insane
Stefan de Vrij   << thsi was his last year, in 2021 he is too old for the cash they will want (he turns 30yo in 15 months)
Milan Skriniar      
Alessio Romagnoli    <<< I may stop listing him, as AC Milan looks headed towards being a top 10 global team, and he has zero reason to leave, we should have bought him 5 years ago, fucking board
Ozan Kabak    
Marash Kumbulla   <<< he was sold
Felipe  (could have been part of a 2-fer with Kante going to AM, and Partey+Felipe coming here) 
Evan N'Dicka    
Edmond Tapsoba
 

next summer we need to buy two of the following

Dayot Upamecano <<<< MUST Buy

+ José Giménez

or if not Giménez (manly due to his cost),

Matthias Ginter or Evan N'Dicka (left footed) or Edmond Tapsoba

I'm not sure Giminez falls into realistic when you consider the price risk given his injury's and even if he was, was he worth abandoning the chance for Kai? I don't have bonafide evidence but given the money already spent i imagine it was Kai or a CB at that point. Alaba was off the table due to the fact his wage demands would have blown our structure and he appears to want La Liga. Koulibaly would have also been a huge gamble given price, age and wage. De Vrij I've never been to keen on. Upemacano and Tapsoba look really good but at the same time, so did AC at a similar age in that league  (so much so the rumours of us approaching Southampton for a VVD- AC swap left most of this board outraged at the mere suggestion) and we already seem to be committing to one inexperienc in the back line (James), very few teams challenge without atleast 3 experienced opitions in back 4. Skriniar fair enough. I haven't seen enough of the rest so i'll take your word for it.