1905didierblue 748 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: I think we have overreaction here. It's not like he don't play at all. We had 10 games this season so far and he played 441 minutes so around five games. Willian and Pedro have very similar minutes this season. So no issue here for me. Welcome to talk Chelsea. Where the last 2/3 games is indicative of a player's quality, character, future etc etc. Panic and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post! Superblue 6,372 Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post! Share Posted September 30, 2019 Read an article today that shows at present his productivity with and without the ball is overall pretty poor compared to the other players in his position. He averages fewer tackles per 90 mins (1.62) compared to Pedro (1.85), Mount (2) and Willian (2.49). And fewer interceptions per 90 mins (0.65) to Willian (0.83) and Pedro (1.85). His dual success is only 37% compared to Mount (46%), Pedro (52%) and Willian (67%). With the ball, he averages fewer shots (0.65) compared to Willian (1.66), Mount (1.86) and Pedro (2.59). Creates fewer chances (1.3) than Mount (2.15) and Pedro (2.96). And averages the lowest dribble success (42%) compared to Pedro (60%), Mount (63%) and Willian (75%). It's also not a coincidence that his last game in the league was Sheffield United where Azpi kept getting targeted and whilst had a poor game, was hardly getting much help from Pulisic. I think at present Lampard simply doesn't trust his all round game for the team. Tomori got his chances initially by performing in training and Lampard has also talked up Batshuayi's effort in training recently which has coincided in more minutes on the pitch. Pulisic just needs to keep developing and improving by working hard in training and chances will come. It'll be up to him then to take them. 1905didierblue, Vesper, manpe and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Jase 43,479 Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post! Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said: Pulisic just needs to keep developing and improving by working hard in training and chances will come. It'll be up to him then to take them. For sure but hope some folks are patient if he doesn't come out firing. We've been fortunate that the likes of Abraham and Mount have hit the ground running from the get-go and think we may have been spoilt a tad bit by their success so far because if they hadn't started so well, we would be pleading patience with them. So, hope some patience is given here. Strike, Bosnian Blue, Vesper and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Circumstances for our youngsters and Pulisic are different, Chelsea has been their home since they were kids, Pulisic meanwhile has that whole adapting to new club and country thing to do first before he can start firing like the graduates. What I am quite certain of is that he has been left out of the team mostly due to defensive reasons, introducing other wingers has definitely helped our open play defending. Vesper, Yeboii, Strike and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Jason said: For sure but hope some folks are patient if he doesn't come out firing. We've been fortunate that the likes of Abraham and Mount have hit the ground running from the get-go and think we may have been spoilt a tad bit by their success so far because they hadn't started so well, we would be pleading patience with them. So, hope some patience is given here. Which is why I think Lampard has taken him out for a bit. Look how much Pepe is struggling, he looked dreadful tonight! I'm confident Pulisic will be a very good player for us and offers some qualities others cant in this squad. His ability to run in behind in particular could be a very potent weapon and I think this season at least he'll be better suited to being a second half substitute running in behind tired defences, especially those chasing a game. Bosnian Blue, Fernando and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrenshah 186 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Doesnt even make the squad...wats wrong Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Only thing I can think of is the same reason why Sarri didnt start Ruben, Emerson and Callum from the beginning of last season. As people have mentioned already) is what he does without the ball. Tactically understanding his role off the ball, helping the fullback, pressing off the ball. Nothing to do with his ability, people making out hes some second rate player clearly dont know football. He has huge promise, his all round game from an offensibe point of view isnt that bad, he can play killer passes, dribble, score goals etc. He will get a foot in eventually, I think he is just maybe unfortunate Willian has played well since after Leiceister and Mount has done very well since the United game. Whoever said loan him out to learn his trade should do some research. He played in the Bundesliga and CL aged 17/18. Has played over 100 games for Dortmund under managers like Klopp, Tuchel, Favre etc. Vesper, 1905didierblue, shrenshah and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 How Zouma keeps starting I dont know. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanP2311 65 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 American field players don't get much benefit of the doubt. Inexperience managers who were legendary players do get the benefit of the doubt. Now it apparently is personal for Frank, whose insecurity is showing. Best result for all concerned is a loan or transfer. I think there will be plenty of takers, and everyone can move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Vybz Kartel said: How Zouma keeps starting I dont know. Pulisic has to compete against 4 others (mount, willian, Cho, Pedro). So 5 for 2 positions, while zouma is currently competing against 2 (tomori, Andreas) for 2/3 positions. Completely different ball game. Pulisic just needs some time. That's it. I expect him to be in and around the starting 11 during the December period.  Supermonkey92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Â Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 23 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Only thing I can think of is the same reason why Sarri didnt start Ruben, Emerson and Callum from the beginning of last season. As people have mentioned already) is what he does without the ball. Tactically understanding his role off the ball, helping the fullback, pressing off the ball.  21 hours ago, 1905didierblue said: Pulisic just needs some time. That's it. I expect him to be in and around the starting 11 during the December period.  Not that I disagree with you both but never mind not starting, Pulisic hasn't even been getting minutes here and there in the past month's more important games (excluding the League Cup). The irony of taking him out of the firing line has kinda put him more into the firing line, especially after all the recent reactions. Vesper and petre.ispirescu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 23 hours ago, 1905didierblue said: Pulisic has to compete against 4 others (mount, willian, Cho, Pedro). So 5 for 2 positions, while zouma is currently competing against 2 (tomori, Andreas) for 2/3 positions. Completely different ball game. Pulisic just needs some time. That's it. I expect him to be in and around the starting 11 during the December period.  Mount is not nearly as good a winger as he is an AMF he flourishes more towards the middle (longitudinally) half of the pitch petre.ispirescu, LAM09 and NikkiCFC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 from a couple days ago (not saying I agree with this BTW) $73 million Christian Pulisic is a 'poor fit' for Chelsea and should consider leaving the club at the end of the season, ESPN pundits say https://www.businessinsider.com/christian-pulisic-should-leave-chelsea-fc-2019-9?r=US&IR=T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Vesper said: from a couple days ago (not saying I agree with this BTW) $73 million Christian Pulisic is a 'poor fit' for Chelsea and should consider leaving the club at the end of the season, ESPN pundits say https://www.businessinsider.com/christian-pulisic-should-leave-chelsea-fc-2019-9?r=US&IR=T The ESPN agenda on this is ridiculous. They ran another video discussion on this TODAY...making it like 3-4 videos this past week! Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Vesper said: Mount is not nearly as good a winger as he is an AMF he flourishes more towards the middle (longitudinally) half of the pitch This seems to fly over A LOT of people's head. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jason said: This seems to fly over A LOT of people's head. twitter is an insane cesspool too there are a tonne of burner accounts tweeting shit-stirs about Reece James (have to LOL at the ones who are saying start Azpi at RB the rest of the year) and now dodgy websites are posting it as actual 'news'. I see the most inane comments on the old twitpile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Jason said:  Not that I disagree with you both but never mind not starting, Pulisic hasn't even been getting minutes here and there in the past month's more important games (excluding the League Cup). The irony of taking him out of the firing line has kinda put him more into the firing line, especially after all the recent reactions. He is not been getting minutes is because at this moment, he is not better than the rest of our subs. We normally need a midfield subs, probably a striker sub and a winger/attacker sub where we have options like CHO and pedro. He will get time when he is ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Â 4 hours ago, Vesper said: Mount is not nearly as good a winger as he is an AMF he flourishes more towards the middle (longitudinally) half of the pitch Read what I have written about mount. Nothing seems to "fly over people's head". But irrespective of how good he is as a winger, he is still one of our best players and currently much better than pulisic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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