Jorginho

[dimmas 126]

Im just try to imagine if busquet even he still in his prime to play in this jorginho role. He could possibly get slaughtered aswell in this forum

Play alongside, so many poor player to play in this system

- fullback from both side which hardly give enough support when we attack, rarely have good positioning, really really poor to provide width, and really slow as fuck it really iritates me

- imagine busquet playing alongside kovavic/barkley and kante, what he can do actually

- and only have pedro the only one attacker in this team, who able to make diagonal run

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, Henrique said:

Well, this is used many times as a excuse for flops...but give me just one example of a Chelsea player in past 10 years that was a flop in the first season, then became a great player after the period of adaptation? I don't remember a single one. Even outside Chelsea I won't remember a name.

Can't remember a name or don't want to because it doesn't suit you?

Think all the points mentioned are fair. Any rational manager would take Jorginho out of the firing line, to rest him, to give him time to settle or whatever. But nope, Sarri has just been blindly playing him week in week out with the same tactics, same formation etc, watching him get exposed and doing nothing about it. It's the manager's job to fit the players into a system that maximize the players' capabilities and make sure the players' weaknesses are hidden as much as possible. 

[ccheongf 211]

Sari introduced something new to Chelsea and Jorginho acted as a starter BUT now everybody knows of his weakness and knows how to neutralised him ,so he is not effective anymore. Sari still insist of the same pattern and formation. EPL is fast and furious, tough and rough. Every player must be able to stand the knock and bang. LIke Morata, he cant survive in EPL because he cant stand on his 2 feet ,more time on the ground than standing.For an effective Chelsea, attacks must be from wings and midfiled creating chances. Now dont see many, if Hazard doesnt perform well tht match, well , a DRAW is a gain fro tht game.Now Sari is taking his anger to the press. chelsea is DEAD again and losing CHAMPION LEAGUE again next season.

[mccg 1,528]

Sunday Supplement: Chelsea should not be building a team around Jorginho

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11612606/sunday-supplement-chelsea-should-not-be-building-a-team-around-jorginho

[Superblue 6,370]

Ironically if City had tied up Jorginho quicker, and we had still managed to bring Sarri in I think he would have used Fabregas heavily in that role this season and I think it would have worked with him better.

[mccg 1,528]

Rio Ferdinand slams ‘useless’ Chelsea and Italy star

https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/rio-ferdinand-slams-useless-chelsea-and-italy-star-82059

[DDA 9,690]

His confidence has gone. At Napoli he played in tight spaces like a G. Now he struggles to control the ball. He can't handle the amount of games he is having to play. He needs a rest but his confidence has definitely gone. When you hit as many passes as he does to thin air because nobody wants to run into the spaces then slowly but surely you feel like you are the problem. His close control could rival Lukakus at this moment in time. Believe it or not I actually think he has regressed as a player having played alongside the likes of Willian and co. We need a back up option a.s.a.p.

[Arlen Correa 161]

I dont buy this narrative of blaming other players when this guys can't control a ball. He looks like a table-football player these days.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,919]

4 hours ago, DDA said:

His confidence has gone. At Napoli he played in tight spaces like a G. Now he struggles to control the ball. He can't handle the amount of games he is having to play. He needs a rest but his confidence has definitely gone. When you hit as many passes as he does to thin air because nobody wants to run into the spaces then slowly but surely you feel like you are the problem. His close control could rival Lukakus at this moment in time. Believe it or not I actually think he has regressed as a player having played alongside the likes of Willian and co. We need a back up option a.s.a.p.

The guy whos never won jack shit has regressed having to play next to the likes of accomplished league and world cup winners? Oh the poor child

[DDA 9,690]

23 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

The guy whos never won jack shit has regressed having to play next to the likes of accomplished league and world cup winners? Oh the poor child

He may have never won anything but look at him in comparison to now. I'm not making this shit up. That Napoli team he played in would destroy this Chelsea team.

[Vesper 28,779]

3 hours ago, DDA said:

That Napoli team he played in would destroy this Chelsea team.

and will if we draw them in the EL

[the wes 7,212]

15 minutes ago, Vesper said:

and will if we draw them in the EL

Carlos 4-4-2 formation would destroy the sarri-ball formation 🙁🙁

[Vesper 28,779]

2 minutes ago, the wes said:

Carlos 4-4-2 formation would destroy the sarri-ball formation 🙁🙁

My 3rd favourite Chels team ever (in my lifetime) was Carlo's 2009-10. I went BONKERS when he was sacked. A little blue part of my heart died that day. 2004-5 first and the CL winning side ( because we won!) 2nd.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

Saw a post in the comments on WAGNH

If he's so useless and shit, why is every team trying to man-mark him out of the match?  

[!Hazard! 3,394]

What we need is another midfielder with world class vision and passing ability to play next to Jorginho. It's a shame that Cesc-Jorginho-Kante/Kovacic midfield didn't really get a chance to play together

[Vesper 28,779]

13 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

Saw a post in the comments on WAGNH

If he's so useless and shit, why is every team trying to man-mark him out of the match?  

Logical fallacy.

The fact they CAN take him out means the system is fucked and he is not capable of overcoming this.

Jorginho isn't a player who can have 80% of the opposing team trying to take him out and still win

unlike

[El P. 1,354]

23 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

What we need is another midfielder with world class vision and passing ability to play next to Jorginho. It's a shame that Cesc-Jorginho-Kante/Kovacic midfield didn't really get a chance to play together

Errrm, I think Jorginho aka deep lying playmaker should have those qualities...

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

Just now, Vesper said:

Logical fallacy.

The fact they CAN take him out means the system is fucked and he is not capable of overcoming this.

 

So, when Herrera marked Hazard out of the match a couple of seasons ago, are we saying the same thing about Hazard?  He's not capable of overcoming it?  As in most sports, if you want to change the whole shape of your defence and make 1 player spend the whole match following another, that other player is going to have a tough time and he will need team mates to move in to the space and help out because there are gaps now.

It's the same for Jorginho.  It means that he has to get some help in the build up.

Our 2 worst matches were against a a 442 diamond midfield.  2 strikers mark the CBs, man marking in midfield.  The space is down the wings where we can actually create a overloads.  But teams don't mind giving us the ball out wide, because we can't cross and have no one getting in to the box anyway.  That's on Sarri to fix.

But, having your game reduced because you've got a player acting like your shadow has happened to a lot of players who are better than Jorginho and it does suggest that he will pose you problems if he's left alone (or so these opposition managers believe).