Jorginho

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[PRE-CRYSTAL PALACE]  Lampard on what he wants from the midfield...

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2020/07/07/lampard--i-want-my-midfield-fluid

‘I do really take each game as it comes,’ he says.

‘Playing teams with low blocks that make it difficult for you, to be able to get players that arrive with real technical abilities high up the pitch and around the box, and find a pass or take someone out the game with skill and a finish, is big in those games.

‘If we feel like we are going to have a lot of control, generally I play with midfield players that can play high, can play on the side, and can do the defensive duties as well. Mason Mount really has that and his work off the ball is fantastic for us. If I feel like getting him higher up the pitch and put more pressure on the other team if they want to play out, that can help us off the ball.

‘Sometimes I will ask him to do a slightly different role with the ball where he comes deeper to make sure that he is not missing out on the ball, because he is a good player who needs to be on the ball deeper. He and Ross can perform in that kind of role.’

‘With Jorginho, I think he also can but his role predominantly in his career has been from a deeper position,’ he adds.

‘Jorginho has to do nothing different [to earn selection]. He trains well, he is good for the group on and off the pitch, he is vice-captain of the club.

‘It is purely my choice at the moment with what I see and the games in front of me and how I like the make-up of the midfield to be. Sometimes it can be affected by the other players that are in that midfield where I think we need more defensive attributes in the game. He doesn’t need to do anything, it is purely my choice.

‘So I have those good [selection] problems in the team. I like to work on the midfield so it is fluid as it possibly can be, so we give teams problems when we are playing well. In some performances recently, Watford being one, and Everton before lockdown, I saw a real fluid movement of the midfield which I really liked, so we have to continue working on that.’

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Lampard on Jorginho post-Crystal Palace...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/08/frank-lampard-singles-one-quality-jorginho-chelseas-win-crystal-palace-12959350/

Asked if Billy Gilmour is now ahead of Jorginho, Lampard replied: ‘It’s certainly not a case of being number one.

‘I thought Jorginho when he came on was quality. We needed his experience and his ball retention. He made a lot of passes and calmed us down.

‘I think Billy did okay as well but I don’t think it was our midfield’s best performance today. That’s not just Billy, I think generally we can do better than that.

‘The players know that but it’s part of their experience because they’re pretty young in there. Without a doubt Jorginho it’s not a case of being number one.

‘Players like Jorginho are invaluable. He’s played a lot of games for me this season and he’ll continue to be important for us.’

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16 minutes ago, Jason said:

Lampard on Jorginho post-Crystal Palace...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/08/frank-lampard-singles-one-quality-jorginho-chelseas-win-crystal-palace-12959350/

 

 

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Hopefully he means this and isn't just playing the diplomat. With our dramatic improvement in attacking options next season Jorginho can be a massive part in helping us dominate teams. Should never be sold this summer.

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kante is more important than jorginho. looks like olny one will play.

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Talks to be held over Jorginho future as he finds himself on the outside

https://theathletic.com/1915926/2020/07/08/jorginho-chelsea-lampard-frank-gilmour-sarri/

Jorginho’s first appearance of Project Restart was only 15 minutes long, but it encompassed pretty much everything that has defined his Chelsea career to date – as well as where it might be going.

Three of his first seven touches at Selhurst Park on Tuesday night were passes. Only the opener gave any hint of rustiness; sent low out to the right, far enough ahead of Reece James that it tempted Patrick van Aanholt into a slide for the ball that conceded a free kick. The second, a sharp redirection of play into the feet of Kurt Zouma, got Chelsea on the front foot.

The third, floated 30 yards perfectly on to Willian’s chest on the right flank, was the proof this bushy-haired and heavily bearded man sent on to replace Billy Gilmour around 90 seconds earlier was indeed Jorginho in form as well as name. A match that had been chaotic and disjointed for long stretches immediately fell under his metronomic spell; Chelsea had 80 per cent of possession for the five minutes that followed his introduction, without Crystal Palace mustering a single shot.

Jorginho ended up completing 26 of 29 attempted passes, touching the ball more times (33) as an 80th-minute substitute than Ross Barkley (32) did as a starter brought off after 65 minutes. Chelsea coach Frank Lampard admitted the Italy international had succeeded in “calming the team” when he came on. Yet the storm still arrived in added time as Palace pushed hard for an equaliser, and when it did, the man with his hand on the tiller very nearly got swept away with the ship.

Jorginho pass map vs Crystal Palace

This has been the story of Jorginho’s career at Chelsea. His mere presence at the base of midfield conditions the entire team’s style of play, but his rare ability to dictate football matches with his technical quality and tactical intelligence is in constant peril – at times due to his athletic limitations, at times because of the mistakes of those around him, and occasionally just because in the Premier League, five minutes of high-tempo anarchy is never off the table.

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If he has felt any frustration about his sudden plummet down Chelsea’s midfield pecking order, Jorginho has kept it to himself. He flashed a smile as he jogged up and down the Stamford Bridge pitch with the other substitutes after Saturday’s 3-0 win over Watford, and offered encouragement to Gilmour as the 19-year-old trotted towards him in the 80th minute at Selhurst Park.

“He has been very professional about it,” Lampard said prior to the Palace game. “He wants to play as every player does. It is one of the hardest parts of the job is telling a player who is not playing, or picking a squad and leaving out players — particularly when they are not training well, and Jorginho always trains well. But he has handled it professionally and that’s what I would expect.”

Jorginho is keeping an open mind about his future too. Sources have told The Athletic that talks between his agent and Chelsea director Marina Granovskaia will be held soon after the end of the season to assess the situation. He has three years to run on the contract he signed in the summer of 2018 and is settled in London, but personal happiness and professional fulfilment are linked.

Juventus have always been seen as his likeliest suitors, but a potential reunion with Maurizio Sarri has been complicated by the Serie A champions’ success in trading away Miralem Pjanic for Barcelona midfielder Arthur. Even if the Brazilian is not tasked with adapting to the Jorginho role, Rodrigo Bentancur played the position with notable success prior to the pandemic shutdown.

Chelsea were never interested in Pjanic, and there has been nothing yet from Juventus to suggest they are prepared to pay the kind of money Granovskaia is entitled to believe Jorginho should still command; part of the mutual appeal of the Pjanic-Arthur swap was that it allowed Juventus and Barcelona to enact a favourable restructuring of their stretched financial accounts.

That is not to say that a move to Juventus is out of the question. Much like Chelsea, they pride themselves on being opportunistic as well as strategic in the transfer market, adapting their plans depending on the options that arise and the messages that are sent out, subtly or otherwise, by other clubs. The message being sent by Lampard in this case is clear: Jorginho is free to leave if a deal can be struck that works for player and club.

“He does not have to do anything different,” Lampard said of Jorginho ahead of the Palace game. “He trains well, he shows me that he’s good for the group, on and off the pitch, he’s vice-captain of the club. It’s purely my choice with what I see from the games, how I want the make-up of my midfield to be.”

On the surface it reads as a compliment; Jorginho’s absence is nothing to do with his attitude or application. But the implication is more ominous: if the fault is not with him, then it is something beyond his power to fix. What can he possibly do to change Lampard’s mind?

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“I do like midfield players who can play high, can play on the side, can do the defensive duties and Mason (Mount) really has that,” Lampard said when asked about his midfielders prior to the Palace game. “His work off the ball is fantastic and if I feel like getting him high up the pitch to put more pressure on the other team if they want to play out, that can help us off the ball.

“Sometimes I’ll ask him to do a slightly different role where he comes deeper to make sure he’s not missing out on the ball. Ross can perform that kind of role. (Mateo) Kovacic can perform that kind of role. Ruben Loftus-Cheek can perform that kind of role. (N’Golo) Kante can perform that kind of role. Gilmour can. Jorginho also can but his role predominantly in his career has been from a deeper position. I like to work on the midfield, making it as fluid as it possibly can be.”

Sarri saw the singular nature of Jorginho’s skill set as a positive; once Chelsea allowed Cesc Fabregas to depart for Monaco in January 2019, he insisted no-one else in the squad was technically equipped to back up his passing hub. Lampard wants a different kind of midfield, consisting of generalists capable of contributing to all aspects of play. Jorginho, the archetypal specialist, is the odd man out.

Yet even if he now finds himself on the wrong side of a manager’s ideology, Jorginho’s cameo at Selhurst Park underlined the value he can still provide in what remains of this season.

Lampard must also be pragmatic if he wants to make sure of guiding Chelsea to Champions League qualification. Kante’s “low-level” hamstring problem is very likely to rule him out of Saturday’s clash with Sheffield United, and his recent injury history suggests a swift return cannot be counted on. Gilmour showed flashes of his prodigious talent against Palace, completing 62 of his 68 attempted passes, but never quite reached the level of influence of the man who replaced him.

As he waits to find out what his future holds, Jorginho’s distinctive brand of midfield control might be Chelsea’s best hope of keeping their rivals – and their own flaws – at bay for now.

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Jorginho on the Palace game and not playing...

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2020/07/08/jorginho-on-a-good-performance-overall-and-being-ready-to-help-t

‘Overall it was a good performance,’ said Jorginho as he assessed the game.

‘We created opportunities, and we just need to be more effective when we have chances up front. We like to suffer.

‘We need to learn to finish the game before the last minute, to be more clinical to avoid that tension at the end, but we are creating opportunities which is a positive.’

Frank Lampard explained prior to kick-off yesterday that his decision to start Gilmour ahead of Jorginho was just his choice for what he believed would suit the team best, based on training and previous matches, and nothing to do with speculation linking our no.5 with a move away from the Bridge.

‘I just have to stay focused on when the teams need me,’ stressed Jorginho. ‘There have been rumours but I haven’t heard anything, I am just focusing on finishing the season well with Chelsea and qualifying for the Champions League.’

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Let's be honest here, there's no reason to choose Gilmour over jorginho at the moment.



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You can see on Jorgo's face he isnt very happy, and rightfully so imo. He is one of our best players and very much needed, selling would be a huge mistake.

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You can see on Jorgo's face he isnt very happy, and rightfully so imo. He is one of our best players and very much needed, selling would be a huge mistake.

He would sit on the bench though when Kante is fit to play.

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tbh I have no idea how our midfield is gonna lineup if we indeed get havertz. we would surely switch to 4-2-3-1 cos Puli, Havertz, Ziyech and Werner all have to start. So this just leaves two midfield spots and i dont know if any combination of Jorginho, kova, mount, kante will actuallywork as a double pivot.

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First we has the bandaged Jorginho

Now we have the bearded Jorginho.

Man, I love this guy.

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tbh I have no idea how our midfield is gonna lineup if we indeed get havertz. we would surely switch to 4-2-3-1 cos Puli, Havertz, Ziyech and Werner all have to start. So this just leaves two midfield spots and i dont know if any combination of Jorginho, kova, mount, kante will actuallywork as a double pivot.

Ziyech Kante Mount/Kova

Pulisic Havertz Werner


If its a proper pivot Kante and kova pick themselves

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tbh I have no idea how our midfield is gonna lineup if we indeed get havertz. we would surely switch to 4-2-3-1 cos Puli, Havertz, Ziyech and Werner all have to start. So this just leaves two midfield spots and i dont know if any combination of Jorginho, kova, mount, kante will actuallywork as a double pivot.

Or

 

 

Kante Kova

 

Ziyech Havertz Pulsic

 

Werner

 

 

Tbh, adding mount to those 6 we have 7 players that versatile enough to play multiple positions in a match. The real difficulty will be getting defensive balance even as those front 4 move around.

 

This might sound ridiculous but adding rice as a dm helps even more, because we can switch between 2 cbs to 3 in game. We can basically position ourselves as a 343 when we have the ball Deep in the oppositions half.

 

Rudiger Zouma

Rice

 

Kova

 

James Ziyech alonso

 

 

Havertz pulisic

 

Werner

 

Hear me out, I know it looks weird, but when the fullbacks push up to give width Rice as a dm drops back to make a 3 cb with Kova sitting just in front like Matic would do in Conte's first season. Ziyech would be higher up but more central like the areas Kante would take to pressure anyone that was attempting to start a break.

 

Havertz and pulisic hover around the box with the fullbacks as options on the sidelines.

 

**obviously this is only the type of structure we would have when we have possession when the opponents are camped on the edge of their box. It keeps the centre of the pitch packed so that any counters have to go wide, lessening the danger**

 

When we defend without the ball we could play a 4141

 

James Rudiger zouma alonso

Rice

Ziyech havertz Kovacic Pulisic

 

 

 

 

Werner goal hanging lol [emoji38]

 

I think Frank is trying to get Kante to take those types of positions. Its definitely what he did against City and Aston Villa.

 

I'd imagine the point is to able to use everything from 433, 343, 4141 depending on the circumstances. Bayern and Liverpool are so good at that, but they are well coached and the players are intelligent enough to know where they should be and when. Its going to take some intense coaching for our squad to have that kind of game management.

 

On second thoughts this whole post is bollox.

 

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2 hours ago, killer1257 said:

He would sit on the bench though when Kante is fit to play.

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Depends whom we are playing against, he is def needed more often than not imo

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Depends whom we are playing against, he is def needed more often than not imo

Kante always plays under all coaches, regardless of the opponent. If Kante is fit, he will play. I would like a little bit of changing it up, but Kante seems to be too big of a name to drop

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34 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Kante always plays under all coaches, regardless of the opponent. If Kante is fit, he will play. I would like a little bit of changing it up, but Kante seems to be too big of a name to drop

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Kante is indeed needed and though this aint prime Kante or a Kante under Conte, he is still quality. But Gorgo too is crucial and should play a part in us reaching CL. He has been shunned simple as that for whatever reason I cant fathom.

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On 08/07/2020 at 3:11 PM, Vesper said:

 

Jorginho pass map vs Crystal Palace

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That's the whole problem with Jorginho, was he playing for the right or the left en side of the pitch? Does anyone know? What's his added value?