🇮🇹 Jorginho

[BlueLyon 9,359]

You know guys we dont agree on him in everything but it all comes down to one thing. Spuds, Arsenal, Everton went in game to press Jorginho for 90min and they all succeeded. 

Jorginho was completely useless in those games and shut down by anyone who copied that tactic.

And it doesnt matter if he gets better or more consistent or starts making more long passes, as long he gets shut down whenever the opponent decides so, he has absolutely no business playing in first 11. 

We are done if our key midfield player cant do shit under pressure. 

[Vesper 30,195]

2 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

You know guys we dont agree on him in everything but it all comes down to one thing. Spuds, Arsenal, Everton went in game to press Jorginho for 90min and they all succeeded. 

Jorginho was completely useless in those games and shut down by anyone who copied that tactic.

And it doesnt matter if he gets better or more consistent or starts making more long passes, as long he gets shut down whenever the opponent decides so, he has absolutely no business playing in first 11. 

We are done if our key midfield player cant do shit under pressure. 

Yes, it's the 800-pound gorilla in the room

Alonso, Willian, the strikers are obvious massive fails for all to see (except for their fanboys/girls), but when your engine is so easily choked off, the whole thing just sputters to a halt. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

21 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Yes, it's the 800-pound gorilla in the room

Alonso, Willian, the strikers are obvious massive fails for all to see (except for their fanboys/girls), but when your engine is so easily choked off, the whole thing just sputters to a halt. 

Everyone defends Jorginho but I dont think its coincidence we turned to shit the moment Jorginho got owned vs Everton. 

He was clearly very influental first few months and then snap. 

[Vesper 30,195]

7 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Everyone defends Jorginho but I dont think its coincidence we turned to shit the moment Jorginho got owned vs Everton. 

He was clearly very influental first few months and then snap. 

It really really is. There is a massive correlation between his plummeting in quality of play and our whole team turning toothless. I am at a loss for what happened. It cannot simply be tactical. He so much better dealt with pressure in the first 3 months. I REALLY want him to succeed, as I like him as a player a lot (unlike the Willian of the last year and a half or so and a non-wingback Alonso always.)

[BlueLyon 9,359]

3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

It really really is. There is a massive correlation between his plummeting in quality of play and our whole team turning toothless. I am at a loss for what happened. It cannot simply be tactical. He so much better dealt with pressure in the first 3 months. I REALLY want him to succeed, as I like him as a player a lot (unlike the Willian of the last year and a half or so and a non-wingback Alonso always.)

He just turned to shit. I bet its mental problem. As soon you enter the door at Chelsea club, there is big chance you end up like that I guess. 

I mean just take a look at his long passing. No one around him and he hoofs it 20m too far and then shakes his head. Been reccuring thing for a while now.

The whole team has this problem. They cant score and they cant create and its blocking everything. No one is relaxed and enjoys playing.

[Vesper 30,195]

48 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

No one is relaxed and enjoys playing.

And we supporters are not relaxed and certainly do NOT enjoy this shit football!

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

He'd be on the bench at City.

He would have slowly been introduced as Fernandinho's succesor like what happened with the two Silva's.

[coolhead23 1,147]

19 minutes ago, Tomo said:

He would have slowly been introduced as Fernandinho's succesor like what happened with the two Silva's.

Profile of Fernandinho and Jorginho are so different. They need someone to save the ass of their creative players which is what exactly Fernandinho does for City, Jorginho wouldnt ... he will be run down like straw in the wind making their defense vulnerable. 

He might come from the bench to replace Silva or De Bruyne ... nothing more. Pep wouldnt built a team around him and thats why he wouldnt be a starter. 

[coolhead23 1,147]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

It really really is. There is a massive correlation between his plummeting in quality of play and our whole team turning toothless. I am at a loss for what happened. It cannot simply be tactical. He so much better dealt with pressure in the first 3 months. I REALLY want him to succeed, as I like him as a player a lot (unlike the Willian of the last year and a half or so and a non-wingback Alonso always.)

Guess after it all settles down, everyone knows the extent of his capability. Thats the problem with us at the moment, we have built our strategy around him and it has become so easy to break down. Attack him and everyone goes clueless. Also i feel he doesnt offer more than what he is doing.

Either we need a plan B with him as the focal point or just a new strategy all together.   

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

2 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

Profile of Fernandinho and Jorginho are so different. They need someone to save the ass of their creative players which is what exactly Fernandinho does for City, Jorginho wouldnt ... he will be run down like straw in the wind making their defense vulnerable. 

He might come from the bench to replace Silva or De Bruyne ... nothing more. Pep wouldnt built a team around him and thats why he wouldnt be a starter. 

Pep wanted to sign Jorginho. Pep rarely wants players that he’s just going to sit on the bench. He rotates heavily and uses most of his squad. 

[Vesper 30,195]

7 hours ago, JDY said:

Bit harsh to compare Jorginho and Neves in terms of passing for me. We play against teams that park the bus every game & Wolves don't. Jorginho would also have a field day against that sort of defence from Leicester. Completely open.

Tell me, how did those Wolves and Leicester games work out for us?

Absolutely stand by my Neves over Jorginho pick, even more so due to age.

[coolhead23 1,147]

4 hours ago, Dazzy_Vance said:

Pep wanted to sign Jorginho. Pep rarely wants players that he’s just going to sit on the bench. He rotates heavily and uses most of his squad. 

Was referring to different profiles ... Pep wouldnt use Jorginho in Fernandinho's position because Jorginho cant defend. So the rotation would been with the creative players rather than the first line of defense. 

[JDY 1,290]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Tell me, how did those Wolves and Leicester games work out for us?

Absolutely stand by my Neves over Jorginho pick, even more so due to age.

That's the point. The Leicester that played against us was set up completely different to the one that faced Wolves. They even had only two defenders back at points in the game. Btw I have no problem with you picking Neves over Jorginho, I'm just saying it's hard to judge the full extent of Neves' passing range when he doesn't have to face teams that park the bus every week.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, coolhead23 said:

Was referring to different profiles ... Pep wouldnt use Jorginho in Fernandinho's position because Jorginho cant defend. So the rotation would been with the creative players rather than the first line of defense. 

I agree, I also think he would have rotated him in the more offensive 2 of the mid 3 where KDB/Gündogan/Silva usually play. Pep wants 2 absolute class players for every position and rightly so. You need that in a 60 games seasona nd even that might no be sufficient given how they miss agüero or kdb when ever they are injured. That being said what is most striking about Pep is that he is able to use 2 or 3 very different formatons and did so from the very beginning unless the same 4-3-3 over and over again like Sarri does. only switch to 4-2-3-1 when we have perfected 4-3-3 my ass. could have started the other way round at last

[Vesper 30,195]

1 minute ago, JDY said:

That's the point. The Leicester that played against us was set up completely different to the one that faced Wolves. They even had only two defenders back at points in the game. Btw I have no problem with you picking Neves over Jorginho, I'm just saying it's hard to judge the full extent of Neves' passing range when he doesn't have to face teams that park the bus every week.

Oh, I am not just basing my opinion him off one game, have been following him since Porto days. Sorry if I cam off too harsh btw.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

It does amaze me at just how fast supporters can change coats!

Fuckin guy at the first few months of the season was like the 2nd coming of Christ and we were so lucky that we bought him.

Now all of a sudden the guys shit!

Yet Edens played like a toothless lion for most of the season and not a dickie bird uttered against him.

Sid it before but if Jorgi doesn't have the targets to pass to and some cover to help him out then hes going to be limited to what he can do.

Get the forwards etc to move their lazy arses around a bit and into some channels etc and it would make a big difference.

We on here went for bloody ages slagging Cescy off because he was slow and couldn't defend etc etc then when he's going or gone its a different song.

I don't mind knocking players who have been under performing in general since day 1 but gotta give some of them some space.

It's not like he;s playing any dfiferent to ALL the team.

[manpe 10,861]

14 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Yet Edens played like a toothless lion for most of the season and not a dickie bird uttered against him.

Have to disagree with that, there are many critics you just have to read his thread.

[Unionjack 7,531]

Just now, manpe said:

Have to disagree with that, there are many critics you just have to read his thread.

They don't call him shit tho mate..

He was well off his game before Sarris been using him as a False 9 yet it's Sarris fault hes not playing well.

Theres no real perspective and certainly selective memories.

[manpe 10,861]

51 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

They don't call him shit tho mate..

He was well off his game before Sarris been using him as a False 9 yet it's Sarris fault hes not playing well.

Theres no real perspective and certainly selective memories.

They don't call him shit but you said "not a dickie bird uttered against him" which I assumed meant any criticism... I'm not familiar with that phrase so I don't know