The Sarri Thread

[DH1988 1,348]

Just now, Vesper said:

Sarri went insane when he saw the pitch, he was fuming

and then, after RLC was injured, he said the Italian equivalent of 'I told you so'

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That is awful, especially with how RLC was performing, as posted earlier stats wise. His confidence was booming and he was dangerous during transitions with a goal threat, what we all were waiting for all these years and then bam. I mean, from his perspective, I get it, injury after injury especially that one with an Achilles, must have knocked him bad. 
 

in terms of athleticism, I feel Callum has lost a step of speed since his return as well, might just be that we haven’t seen him gallop for a while but he used to knock it forward and be gone gone gone. Ruben had a similar knock on touch where he could ghost past someone.

We can hope, at least.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

hace 1 hora, NikkiCFC dijo:

How Ruben did in Fulham is pretty much irrelevant. Sarri has nice memories of RLC. 10 goals and 5 open play assists in just under 2000 mins. He become starter here ahead of Ross and Kovacic and played his best football.

It would be loan obvy so cannot see much risk. SMS is likely to leave also. Higuain did not do good in Milan and that did not stop Sarri to bring him here.

After all, Bakayoko got loans to Milan and Napoli after being terrible here. Have no idea why are you so surprised...

How is it irrelevant? It is like saying what any other player has done on loan is irrelevant when judging them which is frightening considering his last appearance for us was basically over a year ago and a sub appearance. And then the season beforehand when he came back he was comfortably off the pace (slightly understandable) and then never ever had a chance really.

Yes 10 goals 5 assists in under 2000 minutes aye thats fair, looks good but break it down again, 6 league goals and 4 Europa League goals. Not sure on the assists. But again, was that not 3 seasons ago? I mean take that season out and well if Ruben had showed this at Palace and at Fulham, I could see the point. But he hasn’t. That is the point. Not consist enough, not done anything bar a 4 month period with Sarri. Aye maybe he lost a bit from his injury, maybe it was a purple patch? I mean outside of that season here, prior to that season and after, near 50 games making up 2 seasons out on loan and a combination of 3 goals at Palace and Fulham. Its difficult to see why you would think a top end Italian team  would go for him based on something he did in 2018-19. Although I suppose weirder things have happened.

And I doubt he has nice memories of RLC considering the gurning fucking fans who wouldn’t leave him alone for not playing RLC and CHO for weeks 🤣 surely reckon he would of smoked about 2000 cigs by then. 

Bakayoko was maybe part of one of the best teams Europe (aye I know, sounds ridiculous considering he couldn’t trap a sandbag yet alone a ball 90% of the time he played here) although still how he has played for France, us, Milan and Napoli baffles me but I suppose he has got that season and maybe a few ones before it of consistent performances to build it up and back it up in France no? Or at least something to fall back on... where as Ruben has under 2000 minutes throughout his whole career in mens football which spans 8 seasons. I mean who next? Juventus to sign Ross Barkley? I mean fair enough, if Sarri wants either he can have them but if you think hes going to make them his top choices or push for them at all, well I want some of what your smoking, because well.... its about as likely as pigs flying or unicorns being real. 

Re Higuain, Sarri wanted him in the summer after being appointed here... he chose AC over us. It was different, thats why he went for him still in the January. Plus he had worked with him to a great deal of success over a 3 year period. I doubt hes going to replace any of his star players with any of the Chelsea loan army if it comes to it 🤣

[Vesper 30,172]

On 02/06/2021 at 00:51, DH1988 said:

That is awful, especially with how RLC was performing, as posted earlier stats wise. His confidence was booming and he was dangerous during transitions with a goal threat, what we all were waiting for all these years and then bam. I mean, from his perspective, I get it, injury after injury especially that one with an Achilles, must have knocked him bad. 
 

in terms of athleticism, I feel Callum has lost a step of speed since his return as well, might just be that we haven’t seen him gallop for a while but he used to knock it forward and be gone gone gone. Ruben had a similar knock on touch where he could ghost past someone.

We can hope, at least.

yes, CHO has lost a wee bit, but nothing like RLC

CHO was almost as fast as Traore before the injury, and a far more skilled player

so fucking frustrating

although I do think CHO can get back to that level, look how long it took Zouma (2 and a half to 3 years) to fully recover from his horrid knee injury (now he is 100% back to speed), although knee injures like Zouma's are not as potentially speed-sapping as Achilles blow outs, it is more just a durability thing

[Vesper 30,172]

On 02/06/2021 at 01:18, OneMoSalah said:

How is it irrelevant? It is like saying what any other player has done on loan is irrelevant when judging them which is frightening considering his last appearance for us was basically over a year ago and a sub appearance. And then the season beforehand when he came back he was comfortably off the pace (slightly understandable) and then never ever had a chance really.

Yes 10 goals 5 assists in under 2000 minutes aye thats fair, looks good but break it down again, 6 league goals and 4 Europa League goals. Not sure on the assists. But again, was that not 3 seasons ago? I mean take that season out and well if Ruben had showed this at Palace and at Fulham, I could see the point. But he hasn’t. That is the point. Not consist enough, not done anything bar a 4 month period with Sarri. Aye maybe he lost a bit from his injury, maybe it was a purple patch? I mean outside of that season here, prior to that season and after, near 50 games making up 2 seasons out on loan and a combination of 3 goals at Palace and Fulham. Its difficult to see why you would think a top end Italian team  would go for him based on something he did in 2018-19. Although I suppose weirder things have happened.

And I doubt he has nice memories of RLC considering the gurning fucking fans who wouldn’t leave him alone for not playing RLC and CHO for weeks 🤣 surely reckon he would of smoked about 2000 cigs by then. 

Bakayoko was maybe part of one of the best teams Europe (aye I know, sounds ridiculous considering he couldn’t trap a sandbag yet alone a ball 90% of the time he played here) although still how he has played for France, us, Milan and Napoli baffles me but I suppose he has got that season and maybe a few ones before it of consistent performances to build it up and back it up in France no? Or at least something to fall back on... where as Ruben has under 2000 minutes throughout his whole career in mens football which spans 8 seasons. I mean who next? Juventus to sign Ross Barkley? I mean fair enough, if Sarri wants either he can have them but if you think hes going to make them his top choices or push for them at all, well I want some of what your smoking, because well.... its about as likely as pigs flying or unicorns being real. 

Re Higuain, Sarri wanted him in the summer after being appointed here... he chose AC over us. It was different, thats why he went for him still in the January. Plus he had worked with him to a great deal of success over a 3 year period. I doubt hes going to replace any of his star players with any of the Chelsea loan army if it comes to it 🤣

zero goals against class teams (unless you count one goal v Wolves, and we lost that game) zero assists v good teams

Edited June 3, 2021 by Vesper

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[OneMoSalah 8,886]

hace 3 horas, Jas dijo:

 

Be an interesting appointment.

Probably out of his depth a bit at Juventus although they clearly needed overhauled (and have done for 3/4 seasons be interesting alone watching that unfold) and had his good and bad moments here.

Maybe the likes of Lazio, Napoli, clubs who are expected to do well but never truly disrupt the established top teams is his level.

Some good players to start with, Milinkovic-Savic and Luis Alberto are two very good MFers then Immobile and Correa as well are of a pretty decent level. Not so sure on rest of their squad, know Pepe Reina and Lucas Leiva are there but surely they must be nearly 40 now. 

[Jase 43,479]

Just realized that Mourinho and Sarri are now on either side of Rome...

[Fulham Broadway 17,312]

2 minutes ago, Jas said:

Just realized that Mourinho and Sarri are now on either side of the Rome sides...

Two Chelsea rejects, fiddling while Rome burns...

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14 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Two Chelsea rejects, fiddling while Rome burns...

Too bad Conte is gone. Otherwise 3 former Chelsea managers vying for supremacy would have been fun!

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

I absolutely love all Sarri, Conte and Mourinho. Dont know why some Chelsea fans hate them...

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

Best way to confirm new coach.

 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

hace 9 minutos, NikkiCFC dijo:

I absolutely love all Sarri, Conte and Mourinho. Dont know why some Chelsea fans hate them...

I still find it moronic how eager people were to see Sarri sacked within like 6/7 months here. Or how unappreciative/impatient people were with what he was trying to do because there was signs there that in our half and the middle third we were doing what he wanted but we needed more in attack. Yet Frank comes in and the word patience which has rarely ever been used here, is all of a sudden the way to go.… Nobody can argue we’d really improved in 18 months with Frank because we had spent like another 3 seasons now trying to find a good option at number 9 and make the attack more fluid, as opposed to reliant on one player. Plus the football at times with Framk was even worse in attack. Fullbacks spamming crosses in to 5 ft 7 players. 

I get he was stubborn with his methods and got out when the ban was in to go to Juventus but he was effectively shoved out the door more or less by the lack of backing he got. Look into what he said after the Europa League final. No surprise few weeks later he left, would of probably done so even if Juventus never came in for him. 

Plus maybe he never truly has the connection with the fans but ultimately it works both ways also. For example, during that period the fans booing Jorginho v Malmo is definitely one of the most embarrassing things I can remember in recent times involving us in a football game. Or our own fans jeering Sarri making subs etc instead of getting behind the team.

Edited June 9, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

Not only RLC, he also wants Alonso and Kepa!

Even if all 3 are loans that would be too much money for their salaries.

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

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[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Not only RLC, he also wants Alonso and Kepa!

Even if all 3 are loans that would be too much money for their salaries.

Wow. This would turn out to be pretty incredible but still think as much as we all want these moves/the cash to come in for players who dont play often, it would be unlikely all 3 go in the same windows never mins to the same team. 

Re Kepa, don’t Lazio not already have Thomas Strakosha, who is a pretty decent GK and Pepe Reina, who worked with Sarri at Napoli? 

 

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[Superblue 6,372]

Really interesting interview, and I think dispels what I always felt was a myth that the club wanted him out. 

I do wonder quite a bit what would have happened had Sarri stayed at the club. On one hand, I do think towards the end of the season we were on an upward curve which culminated in a rather embarrassingly (well for them) one sided final against Arsenal. But then we were losing Hazard who had been critical for Sarri. 

It's interesting he mentions the squad Chelsea have now is tailor made for his style of football with the players that have been brought in. Would these players have been targeted or obtained under Sarri? Would players like Mount and James have come through under him? 

Ultimately everything has worked out really well for us when you think just 2 years ago we were losing Hazard, had quite an ageing squad and were staring into a transfer ban. But it is definitely a real 'What If?' moment.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 hours ago, Jas said:

 

Well this is interesting.

I think we all kind of expected that the club would of sacked him if he didn’t leave due to the relationship with a large % of the fans. Maybe not but it looked incredibly likely, like few weeks before Frank got sacked the rumours were already in full motion that he would be sacked eventually, they were going round same way for Sarri. 

And Marina wanting him to stay? That totally contradicts the feeling he was giving out with the whole “back me and & will stay” or “if I am only judged on Europa League final, sack me now” comments. 

But maybe now having had 2 jobs for 1 season he feels like he fucked up aye. He was taking wee pot shots at us when he was at Juventus. 

2 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Really interesting interview, and I think dispels what I always felt was a myth that the club wanted him out. 

I do wonder quite a bit what would have happened had Sarri stayed at the club. On one hand, I do think towards the end of the season we were on an upward curve which culminated in a rather embarrassingly (well for them) one sided final against Arsenal. But then we were losing Hazard who had been critical for Sarri. 

It's interesting he mentions the squad Chelsea have now is tailor made for his style of football with the players that have been brought in. Would these players have been targeted or obtained under Sarri? Would players like Mount and James have come through under him? 

Ultimately everything has worked out really well for us when you think just 2 years ago we were losing Hazard, had quite an ageing squad and were staring into a transfer ban. But it is definitely a real 'What If?' moment.

I think he took Reece to that charity game didn’t he? It was after his loan at Wigan finished IIRC and well he wasn’t a big fan of Zappacosta by looks of how many games he played. Plus I feel Mount would of made it under most managers here and he would of been much in that role that Barkley and Ruben was playing I think. 

There was an interview or a presser when I think Sarri had mentioned a few of the guys out on loan doing well. Plus he did use Callum and Ruben, so the signs were maybe there that he would of used Mason and Reece as well and perhaps Tammy (although much less suited to how his teams played).
 

Edited July 6, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Jase 43,479]

8 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I think we all kind of expected that the club would of sacked him if he didn’t leave due to the relationship with a large % of the fans. Maybe not but it looked incredibly likely, like few weeks before Frank got sacked the rumours were already in full motion that he would be sacked eventually, they were going round same way for Sarri. 

Am sure Sarri would have been sacked had he stayed for a second season and results continued to go awry, considering the number of times he was supposedly on the verge of being sacked in 2018/19. He also wouldn't have the "first season free pass" Lampard got to go about his job freely.

[Superblue 6,372]

13 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Well this is interesting.

I think we all kind of expected that the club would of sacked him if he didn’t leave due to the relationship with a large % of the fans. Maybe not but it looked incredibly likely, like few weeks before Frank got sacked the rumours were already in full motion that he would be sacked eventually, they were going round same way for Sarri. 

And Marina wanting him to stay? That totally contradicts the feeling he was giving out with the whole “back me and & will stay” or “if I am only judged on Europa League final, sack me now” comments. 

But maybe now having had 2 jobs for 1 season he feels like he fucked up aye. He was taking wee pot shots at us when he was at Juventus. 

I think he took Reece to that charity game didn’t he? It was after his loan at Wigan finished IIRC and well he wasn’t a big fan of Zappacosta by looks of how many games he played. Plus I feel Mount would of made it under most managers here and he would of been much in that role that Barkley and Ruben was playing I think. 

There was an interview or a presser when I think Sarri had mentioned a few of the guys out on loan doing well. Plus he did use Callum and Ruben, so the signs were maybe there that he would of used Mason and Reece as well and perhaps Tammy (although much less suited to how his teams played).
 

I think they would have been used by Sarri, especially with the transfer ban. However I find it difficult to believe either would have played anywhere near the amount that they have over the last 2 seasons under Lampard, then Tuchel. Obviously such a massive exposure to game time has certainly been a huge factor in their growth and development over the last couple of years.