Unionjack 7,531 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vesper said: Pedro and Willian have had a shit tonne of bad games where I have so wished CHO had either started or at least come on at HT or the 60 minute mark. Many of the times that was impossible because he was not even ON THE BENCH. He is statistically outplaying Jadon Sancho (who is same age, reportedly going for £80m to £100m AND who would be yet another POTENTIALLY good player with NO playing time if he was under a Sarri-type cosh here or at some other club) in the EL, yet some on here continuously slate him as 'not even a good player'. One of the top global clubs, and a club that is notoriously cheap, Bayern, have offered 40m quid for the lad. You don't toss around that type of cash if he is a marginal performer and not even close to 30-somethings Pedro and Willian. It is impossible to remotely give a fair assessment on him in terms of a league player when he has been on the pitch in EPL games for a grand total of 74 minutes. That is a ridiculously low number. Chelsea youngster is outperforming Jadon Sancho in Europe, stat shows https://www.chelsea-news.co/2019/03/callum-hudson-odoi-highest-performing-teenager-in-european-competitions-this-term/ I wasn't here then but I would almost GUARANTEE the same type of mentality that drives a lot of CHO-slaters was manifest in regards to de Bruyne and Salah. I think it is short-sighted and reeks of status quo setting and normalcy bias. Same bullshit schema that the board operates under, much to our teams detriment. Oh I agree with what you say Mrs. He does need to play more. Theres been many times me as a supporter - with no managing experience but a severe love for the club and would not want to do anything to hurt them (added that bit just in case) - would quite happily have played him. I know we don't agree but I do want Sarri to stay. But he does piss me off with some of his choices. And if he got a proper balance rotation wise he would get a lot of peeps off his case. stryker1808, BlueSunshine and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,169 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Unionjack said: Oh I agree with what you say Mrs. He does need to play more. Theres been many times me as a supporter - with no managing experience but a severe love for the club and would not want to do anything to hurt them (added that bit just in case) - would quite happily have played him. I know we don't agree but I do want Sarri to stay. But he does piss me off with some of his choices. And if he got a proper balance rotation wise he would get a lot of peeps off his case. At this point, Sarri will stay, especially if we get the bans starting this summer. The massive CHO damage by him is already done, I will be SHOCKED if he renews. Zero chance he will if the old smoker is still in charge. That will be a massive blot, more than likely, on Sarri's legacy with CFC. The truly crusical decisions we have to make are Eden and CHO IF we get no 2019 summer window. Do we force them to stay and walk on frees or do we sell them and just take the hit for all of the 2019-20 season? 11Drogba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vesper said: At this point, Sarri will stay, especially if we get the bans starting this summer. The massive CHO damage by him is already done, I will be SHOCKED if he renews. Zero chance he will if the old smoker is still in charge. That will be a massive blot, more than likely, on Sarri's legacy with CFC. The truly crusical decisions we have to make are Eden and CHO IF we get no 2019 summer window. Do we force them to stay and walk on frees or do we sell them and just take the hit for all of the 2019-20 season? He will probably get blamed when Eden goes too. But its him thats holding us to ransom. He didn't need to put us in this situation we are with him. We have absolutely no leverage whatsoever. And CHO is taking after him. He wasn't signing a contract before Sarri came. I really dunno which way to go with their contracts tho. Its not good keeping him with no transfer window. Its going to be a fuckin nightmare Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,169 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Oki so no summer window I think we may just have to eat a crazy loss and keep Eden and CHO, plus recall a lot. We also are going to have to decide on Willian, who will walk in 2020 if no multiyear deal offered. Funny how our absolute fuck up of not selling him to Barca is now double-penetration fucking us. Between Eden, CHO, Willian, and the cock-up of Big Nose, thats around £340m LOST in potential revenue if we hold onto all of the 3 remaining and they walk on frees in 2020. And people say I do not know what I am doing when I slag the board out (with great meticulousness and evidence btw) I also (until someone tells me otherwise) am assuming Hig's loan deal (which expires thsi summer and THEN has an option to do a 12 month new one) is now fucked and he has to go back to Juve We also lose Kovacic, so now the idiotic sale of Cesc REALLY is going to fuck us unless (spoiler alert) Bakayko comes good (and there is another, albeit temp, loss of £35m or so in trans rev) OR we use.... drum roll......... Drinkwater. IF Luiz walks, then that takes the loss up to £400m!!! (as we turned down £30m from PSG last summer) We CANNOT break the 30-something no multiyear rule. So either Luiz takes one for the team and sign a one year or he is OUT. here is a 25 man potential roster (no Higs) IF we just keep Willian, Eden and CHO 10 HG, so no issues GK Kepa GK Caballero GK Bulka (HG) CB Rudiger CB Zouma (HG) CB AC (HG) CB Ampadu (HG) LB Emerson LB Alonso RB Azpi RB Reece James (HG) DH DMF Jorginho DH DMF Bakayoko CMF Kante CMF Drinkwater (HG) AMF RLC (HG) AMF Barkley (HG) LW Hazard LW CHO (HG) RW Willian RW Pulisic RW Pedro CF Bats CF Giroud CF Tammy (HG) NOW here is a 25 man roster IF we sell all 3 (Willian, Eden, CHO, who will walk on frees in 2020) GK Kepa GK Caballero GK Bulka (HG) CB Rudiger CB Zouma (HG) CB AC (HG) CB Ampadu (HG) LB Emerson LB Alonso RB Azpi RB Reece James (HG) DH DMF Jorginho DH DMF Bakayoko CMF Kante CMF Drinkwater (HG) AMF Mason Mount (trial by fire for real, and of course RLC can slide over for cover from RW and go back to AMF) AMF Barkley (HG) LW Pulisic LW Kenedy RW RLC (HG) RW Pedro RW Moses CF Bats CF Giroud CF Tammy (HG) option on this lineup is to not use Moses, loan him out again, and bring in Tomori as a 5th CB for BOTH lineups, IF Luiz stays dont recall Happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, Vesper said: Oki so no summer window I think we may just have to eat a crazy loss and keep Eden and CHO, plus recall a lot. We also are going to have to decide on Willian, who will walk in 2020 if no multiyear deal offered. Funny how our absolute fuck up of not selling him to Barca is now double-penetration fucking us. Between Eden, CHO, Willian, and the cock-up of Big Nose, thats around £340m LOST in potential revenue if we hold onto all of the 3 remaining and they walk on frees in 2020. And people say I do not know what I am doing when I slag the board out (with great meticulousness and evidence btw) I also (until someone tells me otherwise) am assuming Hig's loan deal (which expires thsi summer and THEN has an option to do a 12 month new one) is now fucked and he has to go back to Juve We also lose Kovacic, so now the idiotic sale of Cesc REALLY is going to fuck us unless (spoiler alert) Bakayko comes good (and there is another, albeit temp, loss of £35m or so in trans rev) OR we use.... drum roll......... Drinkwater. IF Luiz walks, then that takes the loss up to £400m!!! (as we turned down £30m from PSG last summer) It's a nightmare and the considering our board is supposedly full of top business people need to be brought up on charges for crimes against Chelsea! And its going to fuck us up completely IF we get into the CL too. A shambles. Vesper and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,169 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Unionjack said: It's a nightmare and the considering our board is supposedly full of top business people need to be brought up on charges for crimes against Chelsea! And its going to fuck us up completely IF we get into the CL too. A shambles. AND, it (the fucking bans) ARE the BOARD*S own fucking fault. They knew the goddamn rules, yet wilfully chose to ignore them. The SIBNEFT model doesn't work in the West, where there is (albeit to a lesser extent than I wish) legal and structural accountability. Johnnyeye, Unionjack and 11Drogba 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Henrique said: There is a fair chance both were better than Odoi is today...Odoi is not as good as you people say. To be honest there is not a single game I think "Odoi would do better than those folks on the pitch", actually I think what most people think when they say some shambolic performances from Pedro and William is "Odoi can't do worse than this". Mbappe was without a doubt. Rashford was about the same level, and it was just as hard for him to get minutes until he started delivering on the pitch. Whether Odoi might have be getting more minutes, which is prob true esp in cup games, the mistake here is to simplify things with the word "better." It really does not mean much at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I really don't know what to think about Sarri anymore. Today he made some subs that everyone asked for. Odoi, Chick and even removing Jorginho from the game...but if the had to make those changes its because his staring line-up was bad in the first place. Despite his goals, imo Pedro is done. In game against Dybamo he scored 1 but had chances to score at least 4, and when he is not scoring he is usually ineffective as fuck. I also can't understand why he believe Kovacic is a better option than Chick or even Barkley. Another game where the team had the possession but nothing happened. When the team was pressuring in the final minutes, Luiz was the one who was trying to create things, and thats weird as fuck to let a CB be the playmaker when you have to score goals. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker1808 25 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Analysis of CHO by Nouman, a Chelsea fan. CHO brings width, crossing and enthusiasm to the team. If he plays, I would argue you need RLC as well for the physical threat at the end of his crosses. They demonstrated some understanding in the Wolves game last night. If we can, We may just have to sell Hazard (and Willian) to re/invest into youth and take risk of not making top 4 for a couple of seasons. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Henrique said: removing Jorginho from the game Finally happening ... thats a first or rather a second that he subbed him. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/9/2019 at 4:58 AM, Unionjack said: And its going to fuck us up completely IF we get into the CL too. Hence lets stop hoping against hope!!! The board needs to understand once they start losing revenue that top 4 is no longer a cakewalk anymore and competing for the title is the only way possible to ensure top 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,169 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 still shocked we went to a 4 2 3 1 the last 15 minutes of the game (and scored, ffs) energy level went way up too we need MORE of that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Vesper said: still shocked we went to a 4 2 3 1 the last 15 minutes of the game (and scored, ffs) energy level went way up too we need MORE of that! Sarri is starting to try new stuff more and more. I like it. For example putting on RLC and CHO in a losing situation speaks volumes! Unionjack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Yeboii said: Sarri is starting to try new stuff more and more. I like it. For example putting on RLC and CHO in a losing situation speaks volumes! If I'm being cynical, I'd say Sarri did that to make sure the crowd didn't turn like they did in the recent home game against United. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,508 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Vesper said: still shocked we went to a 4 2 3 1 the last 15 minutes of the game (and scored, ffs) energy level went way up too we need MORE of that! should have done it much sooner in the match, who knows we could have won it, thats the thing he takes too long to make those changes and by then the game is usually beyond our reach, so frustrating 11Drogba, Vesper and Mana 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,169 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 MAURIZIO SARRI: "CHELSEA'S STRUGGLE IS NOT DOWN TO MY TACTICS" || Sophie & Ben react Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Jason said: If I'm being cynical, I'd say Sarri did that to make sure the crowd didn't turn like they did in the recent home game against United. I doubt he cares about that, and would rather win the game Vesper and Unionjack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccheongf 211 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Kepa refused to be substituted is to give Sarri a taste of his stubborn method. I believe Chelsea will go no where with Sarri around. Alabama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,318 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Vesper said: MAURIZIO SARRI: "CHELSEA'S STRUGGLE IS NOT DOWN TO MY TACTICS" || Sophie & Ben react We for sure cannot blame him for missing chances. Muzchap and Unionjack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 18 hours ago, Vesper said: still shocked we went to a 4 2 3 1 the last 15 minutes of the game (and scored, ffs) energy level went way up too we need MORE of that! 16 hours ago, Yeboii said: Sarri is starting to try new stuff more and more. I like it. For example putting on RLC and CHO in a losing situation speaks volumes! We all have to remember what we were saying in pre season. Not many thought we would be in this sort of position now. We might nor be firing on all cylinders but we are still fighting on 3 fronts. Just need to get the lads to remember this and go out on the pitch angry.. Sod all the hugging in the tunnel. Pat each others bums in the showers. Vesper and Yeboii 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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