DDA 9,941 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 47 minutes ago, Tomo said: The confusing thing is when i look at the squad namely the players that start i look and think who and how do we mentally collapse whenever we are in setbacks. The 15/16 squad were accused of similar but what has to be noted is i think only about 5 players remain from that squad so have we recruited badly (mentality wise) since or is it a club issue? I don't think the squad are mentally weak (you don't win what we have since the core players were assembled if that were the case) and i actually think that could be part of the problem on a week by week basis, they want every match to be the big match, a match a trophy is within distance, for all the other faults you can't take away the fact they almost always deliver under those pressure situation's (which shouldn't be underestimated, look at how a very talented Spurs squad crack under the same pressure). I don't think the players specifically are trouble makers either, not intentionally anyway i mean looking at our first eleven. Kepa, Jorginho, Kova and Higuain have just arrived, Rudiger, Luiz, Kante, and Azpi definitely don't fall into that category, Barkley seems determined to make it here, Hazard would have rage quit years ago if his attitude was a bad as myth portrayed and Pedro is a player who got to have the career he had mainly on attitude and application so i'd be amazed if he was a culprit. The only one's i look at out of regular starters and think maybe,are Alonso and Willian, and would those two alone be enough to sway a dressing room? There seems no obvious candidate looking at the second Xl with the possible exception of CHO. Seems to be deep rooted for some reason, Barca in 2008 Real (twice in a few years) and now United managed to solve similar issue's by appointing a club legend who got the club and had everyone singing from the same hymn sheet, should Sarri's position become untenable which looks a matter of time (which is a shame because i genuinely like what he's trying to do in terms of on the pitch but that's for another post) then i think it's time for us to do the same. Please do not forget Cahill. He is still there and I have a real suspicion that he is a back stabbing peice of shit. I saw the look on his face when he was asked about Conte at the end of last season after winming the cup. He had a look of a man who wanted Conte out and was a leader of the witch hunt. I did think the same though, that it is hard to believe the likes of Azpi, Eden, Luiz and co would be trouble makers. Maybe there is a staff issue. As you said, there seems to be a deep rooted toxicity at the club. Maybe a new owner is the only way to really rid of it. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, Henrique said: Mate, thats a problem in modern football. Players are the real bosses. Its not something related with this specific group of players. How many times a manager lost the dressing room? Scolari, AVB, Mourinho, Conte, Sarri. From Drogba and Lampard to William Ana Hazard. Dressing room is where the power is. When the players are not motivated or dont understand the tactics, they wont perform. Something similar happened with United and Mourinho. Player agents and money are to blame. You don't get this feeling of 'player power' at Spurs or even Arsenal. I think Ozil is the closest thing to a player not cooperating there. Look at that has turned out for him. Yes United definitely downed tools for Jose and even though i enjoyed it, what a crock of shit that was. Pathetic Pogba acting like a bitch. The simple fact of how much these players are being paid just makes the whole, 'player power' situation a complete and utter joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0007 511 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 These crybabies should definitely be sold if they request so. Kante is too nice to be part of this group(i suspect his agent might be pushing for a change) , Kepa, Kova, Higuain and Jorginho are all Sarri's signings, Hazard is leaving soon so it should be none of his business and Azpi was always loyal to our managers. I am dead sure Willian is the mastermind behind this. He "loves" Chelsea, he sees himself as one of the biggest stars in the dressing room and is pushing the club for a new deal.Sarri's staying practically means Willian is gone in the summer and we all know how the Brazilian twat will deal with this kind of stuff. kellzfresh, jernej93 and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Chelsea players 'deeply embarrased' after Man City defeat https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11635404/chelsea-players-deeply-embarrased-after-man-city-defeat The spurs defeat, the Arsenal defeat the Bournemouth defeat blah blah blah , stop playing embarrassingly and maybe just maybe ,they will not be deeply embarrased! Worst than drunken teenagers. Miguelito and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Revealed: The two changes Chelsea players requested to Maurizio Sarri in crisis meeting https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/02/12/chelsea-players-message-to-sarri-over-kante-and-hudson-odoi/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Maurizio Sarri has reportedly barely spoken to Chelsea club captain Gary Cahill all season long in a shock revelation made by the Telegraph. https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/02/12/chelseas-sarri-freezing-out-cahill/ Strange if true Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, 0007 said: These crybabies should definitely be sold if they request so. Kante is too nice to be part of this group(i suspect his agent might be pushing for a change) , Kepa, Kova, Higuain and Jorginho are all Sarri's signings, Hazard is leaving soon so it should be none of his business and Azpi was always loyal to our managers. I am dead sure Willian is the mastermind behind this. He "loves" Chelsea, he sees himself as one of the biggest stars in the dressing room and is pushing the club for a new deal.Sarri's staying practically means Willian is gone in the summer and we all know how the Brazilian twat will deal with this kind of stuff. The players who have complaints iver playing time (not saying they all are troublemakers) AC, Ampadu, Cahill, Emerson, Zappacosta, Fabregas (gone), Drinkwater (sell him ffs), RLC, CHO, (soon gone orobably) Giroud (maybe). Then you have the core malcontents: Luiz, Alonso, Willian and probably Hazard. (All soon gone or need to be) 0007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I don't know why these players would be upset at Sarri, they play like shit and they continue to be rewarded with more playing time. If anything Sarri has given more powers to the players. He has done nothing to shake up the dressing room. If the players are not responding, it will largely be due to losing faith in the manager and tactics. It kinda makes sense, if you continue to play the same tactics and it yields the same results. Undoubtedly at one point players will lose faith, trying the same thing again and again is insanity. I would be shocked to see any deviation from Sarri as players selection and tactics go. He will continue to largely play the same players, because he has invested a lot of time in those core players. If he is going to go down, he will go down with the players largely responsible for it. I think a player like Azpilicueta perfectly demonstrates why this system does not work with a bunch of core players Sarri has chosen. Not only he lacks the technical traits for this type of football, but more importantly he lacks the mindset. We have seen at times Azpi demonstrate the ability to play Sarriball, but for the majority he reverts back to his natural tendency becoming a one way FB again. For Azpi to play Sarriball he has to stretch himself pretty far, and one can live in that state for a very short time. Same goes for Kante, he is asked to play in a way that is far from his natural game. Show glimpses of that excellent football, but often time reverts to his natural tendency. Barkley is another one, who has never played in a 3 CM midfield and the style Sarri is asking him to do. There is Alonso of course too, he is not a LB. I could go on and on about others on the squad too. That is the big issue with Sarri at Chelsea, he is attempting to play in a style that forces a lot of players into positions they are not comfortable with. You could get away with 1-2 players slowly getting adjusted to this football, but not when the pitch is filled with them. Sarri has taken the worst path imo, he has not adjusted to his players, chosen players that are far suited to his football and neglected the young players that would probably more tuned into his philosophy and football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 He hasn't deviated all season, he isn't going to start now. OneMoSalah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 There is two ways about modern football - you either buy the top dogs in the game and challenge instantly, or you promote/buy top talent and have lots of patience. What is in between it does not work and it is called mediocrity aka Chelsea FC of 2019. Been busy a lot for the last days, but I read somewhere that Roman has instructed his people to find potential buyers. Think it was an article in The Guardian the next day after the 6 nil loss? Well nevermind, but something has to change, there must pe some plan at least, a Director of Football, some people to come with fresh ideas. If we keep buying/keeping the Alonsos, Willians, Pedros et all then everything is wrong. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, Special Juan said: He hasn't deviated all season, he isn't going to start now. Tbf we hired the guy to do a job of changing the style more than anything. Definitely time to change 6-8 players in the summer and go again. Pulisic is already coming in. Possibly sign a few others and Sabaria from Seville. Club needs a huge change with actual long term planning in place for once. A manager has to be given time. Players need to give maximum effort. Short termis was always going to affect us in the long run. Look at what Sarri did in Naples with lesser players (lets be honest, Pepe Reina, Raul Albiol, Dries Mertens, Jose Callejon, Zielenski, Hysaj, Milik, good players but hardly be regarded as outstanding before he went there although he took Zielenski and Hysaj with him) it was extremely good to watch, a lot of players improved hugely but they were hungry to improve, take information on board and to push on and try challenge Juventus. Theres obviously a struggle or issue with the players here because Sarri keeps saying he cant see his football, be that because the players arent suited to it (dont buy it, these guys are better than that) ,arent taking everything on board or just dont want to change. He has been stubborn but he was stubborn at Empoli and Napoli too. It worked for him in terms of implementing his style. 0007, kc_blue and petre.ispirescu 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFanUK 1,014 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 We aint signing more than 4 players in the summer, and we wont be spending hundreds of millions. I am actually not convinced we win Thursday. Malmo no mugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, mccg said: Revealed: The two changes Chelsea players requested to Maurizio Sarri in crisis meeting https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/02/12/chelsea-players-message-to-sarri-over-kante-and-hudson-odoi/ I swear we've had like thousands of crisis meetings since that Spurs defeat in November! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Hazard! 3,394 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6696471/Chelsea-team-stars-beaten-youth-players-practice-match.html Chelsea first-team stars concede last-gasp equaliser in practice match against youth players in training match in further blow to Maurizio Sarri Play the youth! jernej93 and Sideshow Luiz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa19 858 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, !Hazard! said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6696471/Chelsea-team-stars-beaten-youth-players-practice-match.html Chelsea first-team stars concede last-gasp equaliser in practice match against youth players in training match in further blow to Maurizio Sarri Play the youth! OneMoSalah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 42 minutes ago, !Hazard! said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6696471/Chelsea-team-stars-beaten-youth-players-practice-match.html Chelsea first-team stars concede last-gasp equaliser in practice match against youth players in training match in further blow to Maurizio Sarri Play the youth! 1 minute ago, Costa19 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 I've just watched the Solskjaer interview before their game tonight, he was interviewed by the BT sports reporter yesterday and they asked him "What have you done" his answer was two key words 'Focus' and 'Fun' he touched mainly on enjoying yourself, playing to the maximum without complicating things. I fully get the whole downing tools things, but what I have said for years and years, there is far too much focus on tactics, shape etc. Football is over complicated by idiots is my point, not fancy lines, not demoralising people with fancy fucking words and player such as the 'Register' and all this bollocks, football is simple. This is what this bloke has to do with this lot, and all this Sarri ball bollocks needs flushing down the shit pan quickly because I actually think the players have read into it all and it's clouding and cancerous. Henrique and Laylabelle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jernej93 569 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I will judge Sarri based on next few games. I will blame current results on players but now it's up to Sarri. If he keeps playing underperforming players than he needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 5 hours ago, mccg said: Revealed: The two changes Chelsea players requested to Maurizio Sarri in crisis meeting https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/02/12/chelsea-players-message-to-sarri-over-kante-and-hudson-odoi/ It doesn't make much sense. I really doubt players will ask for Hudson... OneMoSalah and Costa19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Every time I visit the Reddit page I get pissed, I can't believe how many fools are there. Costa19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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