Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

I am far from convinced of Lampard as I have stated numerous times, but the more I hear of Allegri, Marcos Silva, Rafa, Mourinho, etc. I am hoping on the Lampard fast, Ten Hag is the best name we have been linked with, and that has been very little.

I feel that Ten Haag would fail spectacularly just as Bosch did at BVB. We would collapse defensively. I think Allegri is the only way we can win things in the next few years. With Hazard gone we have basically a mid-table squad with luxurious depth. Our only world class player is Kante with Kepa and Rüdiger coming closest, all more defensvie than offensive players. So IMO our new manager should know how to build a team around a defensive foundation. Allegri does.

When Conte came here we ripped up the league without major spending and with inferior squads compard to the Manc teams. We did so because his tactics here caught the league on the wrong foot and once they adapted we were out of reach. Now without the quality of Costa and hazard, the only way i see us reaching top 4 is grinding out results. Allegri managed to teach Juve 3 different formations in no time. If he can recreate that here, i think we have a chance to reach top 4 adn win the odd cup. If ofc our objective is to transform into this bullshit posession football philosophy then he might not be the right man. But neither is Lampard or Ten haag. Lampard is out of his depth given the situation. Even if he will be given time and no title objectives, he might very well lose the players with all the rotten illoyal guys we still have at the club and can not get rid of. You can not transform the identity of a club without buying and selling players. If this is really what we want then prepare to suffer, because continuing Sarris work here wil make us uncompetitive for years. Now, we still have time to revert ot what we are good at.

[Special Juan 28,133]

Doesn't matter who it is in all honesty, the maximum they get is 2 years at best, then it's the chop.

It's just one big managerial carousel. We could appoint Kermit The Frog, it really doesn't matter.

[Vesper 30,121]

25 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

We could appoint Kermit The Frog, it really doesn't matter.

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

I feel that Ten Haag would fail spectacularly just as Bosch did at BVB. We would collapse defensively. I think Allegri is the only way we can win things in the next few years. With Hazard gone we have basically a mid-table squad with luxurious depth. Our only world class player is Kante with Kepa and Rüdiger coming closest, all more defensvie than offensive players. So IMO our new manager should know how to build a team around a defensive foundation. Allegri does.

When Conte came here we ripped up the league without major spending and with inferior squads compard to the Manc teams. We did so because his tactics here caught the league on the wrong foot and once they adapted we were out of reach. Now without the quality of Costa and hazard, the only way i see us reaching top 4 is grinding out results. Allegri managed to teach Juve 3 different formations in no time. If he can recreate that here, i think we have a chance to reach top 4 adn win the odd cup. If ofc our objective is to transform into this bullshit posession football philosophy then he might not be the right man. But neither is Lampard or Ten haag. Lampard is out of his depth given the situation. Even if he will be given time and no title objectives, he might very well lose the players with all the rotten illoyal guys we still have at the club and can not get rid of. You can not transform the identity of a club without buying and selling players. If this is really what we want then prepare to suffer, because continuing Sarris work here wil make us uncompetitive for years. Now, we still have time to revert ot what we are good at.

Spot on man, with the ban its Allegri for me.

[Clockwork 1,794]

3 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

I feel that Ten Haag would fail spectacularly just as Bosch did at BVB. We would collapse defensively. I think Allegri is the only way we can win things in the next few years. With Hazard gone we have basically a mid-table squad with luxurious depth. Our only world class player is Kante with Kepa and Rüdiger coming closest, all more defensvie than offensive players. So IMO our new manager should know how to build a team around a defensive foundation. Allegri does.

When Conte came here we ripped up the league without major spending and with inferior squads compard to the Manc teams. We did so because his tactics here caught the league on the wrong foot and once they adapted we were out of reach. Now without the quality of Costa and hazard, the only way i see us reaching top 4 is grinding out results. Allegri managed to teach Juve 3 different formations in no time. If he can recreate that here, i think we have a chance to reach top 4 adn win the odd cup. If ofc our objective is to transform into this bullshit posession football philosophy then he might not be the right man. But neither is Lampard or Ten haag. Lampard is out of his depth given the situation. Even if he will be given time and no title objectives, he might very well lose the players with all the rotten illoyal guys we still have at the club and can not get rid of. You can not transform the identity of a club without buying and selling players. If this is really what we want then prepare to suffer, because continuing Sarris work here wil make us uncompetitive for years. Now, we still have time to revert ot what we are good at.

Yeah i am going to say hiring Allegri is a terrible idea when placed in a similar situation at Milan after the sale of Ibra he almost got them relegated. 

 

[zekinjo 449]

 

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

22 minutes ago, zekinjo said:

 

This stat is a joke, Sarri is the first Chelsea manager in the Abramovich era to have a full Europa League season in which he collected 12 wins.

[zekinjo 449]

I have to disagree, respectfully. Every match counts. Not Sarri’s fault we were in the Europa League competition. 

Just can’t remember when was the last time we ever won a trophy easy like this one. And without this/his amazing record from this season we wouldn’t had another Europan trophy today.

I guess we’ll never find out how things would work out for Chelsea with a better squad under Maurizio Sarri.

[Special Juan 28,133]

I think the club knew the ban was remaining and so Sarri on the back of that wanted out. Can't blame him, especially with Juve calling.

[NikkiCFC 8,303]

3 hours ago, Special Juan said:

I think the club knew the ban was remaining and so Sarri on the back of that wanted out. Can't blame him, especially with Juve calling.

Exactly. He just chose the path of least resistance like his friend Pep is doing his whole career. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, zekinjo said:

I have to disagree, respectfully. Every match counts. Not Sarri’s fault we were in the Europa League competition. 

Just can’t remember when was the last time we ever won a trophy easy like this one. And without this/his amazing record from this season we wouldn’t had another Europan trophy today.

I guess we’ll never find out how things would work out for Chelsea with a better squad under Maurizio Sarri.

Wins are wins but they don't change the fact that the comparison with Mourinho's first season numbers is dumb. One manager in the top level European competition while the other managed in the second tier European competition and barely faced any tough sides. The numbers make Sarri look great but some context needed. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,379]

And the fact Mourinho had prime Lampard, Makelele, Terry+Carvalho, Robben, Cole, Duff, Drogba, Gudjohnsen whereas Sarri had Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Giroud...

[LAM09 7,043]

And the fact Mourinho had prime Lampard, Makelele, Terry+Carvalho, Robben, Cole, Duff, Drogba, Gudjohnsen whereas Sarri had Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Giroud...

A guy that's won everything, a WC winner & arguably the best player in the league. I do agree that Sarri had it tough. [emoji1]

[LAM09 7,043]

Doesn't matter who it is in all honesty, the maximum they get is 2 years at best, then it's the chop.
It's just one big managerial carousel. We could appoint Kermit The Frog, it really doesn't matter.

Someone has to buck the trend eventually.

[Clockwork 1,794]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

Wins are wins but they don't change the fact that the comparison with Mourinho's first season numbers is dumb. One manager in the top level European competition while the other managed in the second tier European competition and barely faced any tough sides. The numbers make Sarri look great but some context needed. 

Definitely Europa competition should be noted against Sarri, but so should the fact Mourinho had a much superior and super team at his disposal. Context is needed in both situation.