Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Not having issue with Sarri's rotation but more so with his player-position selection. To him, it's Jorginho/Fabregas, Kovacic/Barkley/Loftus-Cheek and Kante. We know he wants a deep lying playmaker in his midfield trio but is he THAT rigid that he can't even switch it up some times? Is there really only one way to play Sarriball? Can't he play Kante in DM and Barkley and Kovacic ahead of him. Think I've seen this discussion take place in the forum but feel like his rigidity will cost us games and/or players somewhere down the line. 

Tbf playing Kante as a DM is going to affect our play. Kante is decent with the ball but Jorginho and Cesc offer so much more from that position, which is key to helping beat a press or get through the lines faster.

Just look at when Conte played Kante as a 6 in 433/4141 against West Ham, Liverpool, Arsensl etc, he did a good job defensively but looking back on it we struggled to get through the lines and had to work the ball round another way to get into the final third.

With Jorginho or Cesc we can go straight into more dangerous positions as a result of this, getting to the front players quicker as well as retaining possession better because these guys constantly want the ball every time the CBs, FBs or GK have it and know when to pick the correct pass through the lines or when to keep it simple.

Id imagine on average the deepest lying midfield player (Jorginho/Cesc) completes the more passes and has more touches than anybody else in this team, so giving Kante that role and that responsibility could affect things massively. Plus i like seeing him in this new role think he has got so much to offer, similarly to Allan who played it for Napoli. Kantes biggest strength is winning the ball back and intercepting it for me, which in a team who want to have 60% of the ball or more, always be on the front foot, that skills much more useful higher up when we lose it. Having him in that playmaker role is a waste and would disrupt how we play. 

 

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39 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf playing Kante as a DM is going to affect our play. Kante is decent with the ball but Jorginho and Cesc offer so much more from that position, which is key to helping beat a press or get through the lines faster.

Just look at when Conte played Kante as a 6 in 433/4141 against West Ham, Liverpool, Arsensl etc, he did a good job defensively but looking back on it we struggled to get through the lines and had to work the ball round another way to get into the final third.

With Jorginho or Cesc we can go straight into more dangerous positions as a result of this, getting to the front players quicker as well as retaining possession better because these guys constantly want the ball every time the CBs, FBs or GK have it and know when to pick the correct pass through the lines or when to keep it simple.

Id imagine on average the deepest lying midfield player (Jorginho/Cesc) completes the more passes and has more touches than anybody else in this team, so giving Kante that role and that responsibility could affect things massively. Plus i like seeing him in this new role think he has got so much to offer, similarly to Allan who played it for Napoli. Kantes biggest strength is winning the ball back and intercepting it for me, which in a team who want to have 60% of the ball or more, always be on the front foot, that skills much more useful higher up when we lose it. Having him in that playmaker role is a waste and would disrupt how we play. 

 

Kante cannot be the DL PM DMF, you are correct, but that's not where the issue is. Kovacic would be the superior player IMHO where Kante is now, with Barkley or RLC playing the AMF role.

The strongest possible team we can put out now IMHO

is

GK Kepa

CB Rudiger

CB Amapdu (when healthy, otherwise have to suffer with Luiz, who was exposed again tonight multiple times)

LB Alonso (because Emerson is just not good enough and this is also why, due to Alonso's lack of pace we need Ampadu in as the other CB as Luiz is no longer that fast)

RB Azpi

DHDMF Jorginho

CMF Hybrid B to B  Kovacic

AMF Barkley

LW Hazard

RW Pedro

CF Giroud

 

the best way to fit Kante in is to do to a back 3 (Azpi, Ampadu, Rudiger, with Amps in the middle)

then Kante as a floating destroyer

BUT still keep the 3 man MF in same roles

and same 3 at the front

3-1-3-3

with the 1 being Kante flying like a wasp on turbo all over the back third

Kante and the CB's still immediately get the ball to Jorginho to put Sarriball offence in motion

Kante floats and wins balls back and helps support the back 3

no fullbacks are needed, and Azpi is a great CB, so BYE BYE turtle Alonso (unless you want to give him a shot at striker, lolol)

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

52 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Kante cannot be the DL PM DMF, you are correct, but that's not where the issue is. Kovacic would be the superior player IMHO where Kante is now, with Barkley or RLC playing the AMF role.

The strongest possible team we can put out now IMHO

is

GK Kepa

CB Rudiger

CB Amapdu (when healthy, otherwise have to suffer with Luiz, who was exposed again tonight multiple times)

LB Alonso (because Emerson is just not good enough and this is also why, due to Alonso's lack of pace we need Ampadu in as the other CB as Luiz is no longer that fast)

RB Azpi

DHDMF Jorginho

CMF Hybrid B to B  Kovacic

AMF Barkley

LW Hazard

RW Pedro

CF Giroud

 

the best way to fit Kante in is to do to a back 3 (Azpi, Ampadu, Rudiger, with Amps in the middle)

then Kante as a floating destroyer

BUT still keep the 3 man MF in same roles

and same 3 at the front

3-1-3-3

with the 1 being Kante flying like a wasp on turbo all over the back third

Kante and the CB's still immediately get the ball to Jorginho to put Sarriball offence in motion

Kante floats and wins balls back and helps support the back 3

no fullbacks are needed, and Azpi is a great CB, so BYE BYE turtle Alonso (unless you want to give him a shot at striker, lolol)

Honestly I think Kante-Jorginho-Kovacic is our best MF 3 still. Has a nice blend of everything, except for physical size, which isn't necessarily important but useful in some games.

Kantes role is still vital, gives the team balance in MF. If you remove Kante the midfield is too offensive minded, too unbalanced. I am not saying Kante is Busquets but that great Barca teams MF needed Busquets because he offered balance without the ball, Kante is similar in a different way, he is the only out of the three that positionally understands the defensive roles of a midfielder, Kovacic gets stuck in and has come leaps and bounds since his Inter days but can still be caught out positionally, which is something which attributed towards not being trusted at Madrid in big games if they had MF injuries.

I mean still Kante averages 2 tackles and 1.8 interceptions a game. Fair enough it's not the stats he usually gets but in a possession based team recovering the ball is still important and there's not any better than Kante in the world at it.

Kovacic averages 1.4 tackles per game and 0.4 a game, Ruben averages 0.8 tackles and 0.2 interceptions a game, Cesc averages 0.5 tackles a game and 0.3 interceptions, Jorginho averages 1.6 tackles and 1 interception per game and Ross averages 0.5 tackles and 0.3 interceptions per game. 

Kantes role is exactly the same as Allan's was for Sarri at Napoli. The best way to fit him in is in a 3 man MF or Sarri wouldn't do it if he didnt believe he suited the role... unless you know more than Sarri.. 

It seems balance is still the most underrated concept in football. Even City and Liverpool have got good balance now. You can have 70% of the ball but if your not able to have some balance of some sort in your team you'll concede goals left right and centre. 

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25 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Honestly I think Kante-Jorginho-Kovacic is our best MF 3 still. Has a nice blend of everything, except for physical size, which isn't necessarily important but useful in some games.

and except for almost no goals if you pull Barks and RLC to the bench..

We simply have to get goals from our MF, as we are so crippled at 2 of our 3 front positions.

I just do not see it working out for Kante, UNLESS we went to that other formation OR we buy Icardi or Dybala (or some other monster goal scoring CF) AND keep Hazard and get a monster RW.

Get those 2 pieces to the puzzle the pressure is off the MF.

Our board is probably not going to do it. I think we sit pat this January, even on a new striker, unless we can get some sort of serious price break from someone . Maybe, MAYBE, if we are lucky we nip Suso from AC Milan for RW (which would help a shit tonne), but I think we trod on with Willian and Pedro and leave it to Sarri to will goals out of Morata and Giroud.

I honestly think the board thinks that all our starters are basically in the area of being so good we cant improve on them, including Morata. Certainly they look at shit Willian, dodgy defending Luiz, slow as fuck Alonso, and no-go for offo Azpi as being top 2 or 3 in their positions in the world. Sarri does too, for Alonso at least.

The board refuses to sell deadwood, yet also refuse to admit mistakes and to buy better players, PLUS are paralysed with fear or wilful ignorance about Hazard potentially leaving. Same for CHO (and THAT is REALLY on Sarri). I will never forgive him if CHO leaves and then goes Sancho-Nova at another club.

We are running on an incredibly string of luck all year so far. That shit is bound to end, and when it does, the train wreck may be worse than the normalcy bias crew can wrap their heads around.

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

and except for almost no goals if you pull Barks and RLC to the bench..

We simply have to get goals from our MF, as we are so crippled at 2 of our 3 front positions.

I just do not see it working out for Kante, UNLESS we went to that other formation OR we buy Icardi or Dybala (or some other monster goal scoring CF) AND keep Hazard and get a monster RW.

Get those 2 pieces to the puzzle the pressure is off the MF.

Our board is probably not going to do it. I think we sit pat this January, even on a new striker, unless we can get some sort of serious price break from someone . Maybe, MAYBE, if we are lucky we nip Suso from AC Milan for RW (which would help a shit tonne), but I think we trod on with Willian and Pedro and leave it to Sarri to will goals out of Morata and Giroud.

I honestly think the board thinks that all our starters are basically in the area of being so good we cant improve on them, including Morata. Certainly they look at shit Willian, dodgy defending Luiz, slow as fuck Alonso, and no-go for offo Azpi as being top 2 or 3 in their positions in the world. Sarri does too, for Alonso at least.

The board refuses to sell deadwood, yet also refuse to admit mistakes and to buy better players, PLUS are paralysed with fear or wilful ignorance about Hazard potentially leaving. Same for CHO (and THAT is REALLY on Sarri). I will never forgive him if CHO leaves and then goes Sancho-Nova at another club.

We are running on an incredibly string of luck all year so far. That shit is bound to end, and when it does, the train wreck may be worse than the normalcy bias crew can wrap their heads around.

I think a 20 goal a season striker, a CB and RW will bring the team up (obviously need to be the right players) but I wouldn't panic yet regarding Kante  he's impressing me in this new role, bringing different aspects of his game to the fore and getting involved more offensively. He improved under Conte and will do so under Sarri in this different role.

I agree we lack goals from MF, some top teams have had this but had an appropriate amount of goals in attacking areas. So it remains to be seen what will happen, RW and CF is areas we could see improvements in.

[Tomo 21,751]

14 hours ago, Vesper said:

and except for almost no goals if you pull Barks and RLC to the bench..

We simply have to get goals from our MF, as we are so crippled at 2 of our 3 front positions.

We are the joint second highest scorers in the league with more goals than the supposed all singing all dancing Liverpool (which would still be the case even if you take out Barkley's goals).

The problems we had last season was the lack of control on games, take the Messi, Henry and Eto'o front three at Barca as an example, how many goals down are they if you swap Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi for Kante, Bakayoko and Cesc? Quite possible almost half, look at Mertens and Insigne's tally under Rafa compared to Sarri. Of Course our front three ain't quite as good at that Barca one, but due to our midfield and how we dictate the tempo of games,all will likely end the season on more goals than what they were on last time round for all of Morata's flaws he has a very good chance of hitting 15 possibly 20 in all comps, possibly more if he can up his conversion rate by a fraction.

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Chelsea are out-passing every team in England and almost every team in Europe too

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/sarri-jorginho-latest-chelsea-news-15352827

 

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GARY CAHILL KEEPS CHELSEA ARMBAND AS SARRI CONFIRMS DECISION

https://readchelsea.com/2018/11/02/gary-cahill-keeps-chelsea-armband-as-sarri-confirms-decision/

Jesus fucking christ on a crutch

First no Kovacic perm signing, now this shit

BAD BAD BAD day so far

[Vesper 30,106]

More REALLY bad news

I have no idea how this slipped under the radar. The FIFA Council a week ago fully endorsed a reform package that includes a maximum of only SIX players allowed out on loan (originally back a month plus ago some articles said it was eight, so it is even worse.)

From what I gather, it will be phased in over a 2 year period following final overall approval.

Bye bye loan army. 

FIFA Council makes key decisions for the future of football development 

(FIFA.com) 26 Oct 2018

 

http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2018/m=10/news=fifa-council-makes-key-decisions-for-the-future-of-football-development.html

snip

 

Football governance

The members of the FIFA Council endorsed the reform package of the transfer system recently agreed by the FIFA Football Stakeholders Committee. This document lays out the fundamental principles of what will eventually become a set of concrete regulations to be drafted by the Task Force Transfer System in consultation with representatives from clubs (ECA), leagues (the World Leagues Forum), players (FIFPro) as well as member associations, confederations and the FIFA administration. The task force will provide an update of its work at the next Football Stakeholders Committee meeting in February 2019.

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Here is the original reporting a month and a half ago

FIFA's new loan rules could be disastrous for Chelsea with plans to stop clubs sending out more than eight players… Blues currently have FORTY scattered around the world

Fifa to introduce new loan rules to prevent clubs like Chelsea stockpiling young talent as agent reforms fall flat

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfers-fifa-best-loans-chelsea-new-rules-agent-a8554976.html

Fifa have suggested that clubs can only send six players on loan.

 

Clearing up the transfer system has been high of Fifa president Gianni Infantino’s to-do list for some time and an end to clubs sending an unlimited number of players out on loan could be coming soon.

Fifa have proposed that clubs can send a maximum of six players on loan to prevent sides stockpiling young talent. 

Snip

The reform package will be delivered to the Fifa Council on 26 October during its next meeting and it is hoped that the new regulations are phased in over the next two years.

“We have brought everyone to the table and all key actors of the industry have understood that we need to take action, leading today to this reform proposal,” said Infantino.

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Shit, this looks like it really may go through

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Maurizio Sarri says Chelsea will not add players in the January transfer window. (Independent)

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9 hours ago, Vesper said:

More REALLY bad news

I have no idea how this slipped under the radar. The FIFA Council a week ago fully endorsed a reform package that includes a maximum of only SIX players allowed out on loan (originally back a month plus ago some articles said it was eight, so it is even worse.)

From what I gather, it will be phased in over a 2 year period following final overall approval.

Bye bye loan army. 

FIFA Council makes key decisions for the future of football development 

(FIFA.com) 26 Oct 2018

 

http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2018/m=10/news=fifa-council-makes-key-decisions-for-the-future-of-football-development.html

snip

 

Football governance

The members of the FIFA Council endorsed the reform package of the transfer system recently agreed by the FIFA Football Stakeholders Committee. This document lays out the fundamental principles of what will eventually become a set of concrete regulations to be drafted by the Task Force Transfer System in consultation with representatives from clubs (ECA), leagues (the World Leagues Forum), players (FIFPro) as well as member associations, confederations and the FIFA administration. The task force will provide an update of its work at the next Football Stakeholders Committee meeting in February 2019.

Snip

Here is the original reporting a month and a half ago

FIFA's new loan rules could be disastrous for Chelsea with plans to stop clubs sending out more than eight players… Blues currently have FORTY scattered around the world

Fifa to introduce new loan rules to prevent clubs like Chelsea stockpiling young talent as agent reforms fall flat

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfers-fifa-best-loans-chelsea-new-rules-agent-a8554976.html

Fifa have suggested that clubs can only send six players on loan.

 

Clearing up the transfer system has been high of Fifa president Gianni Infantino’s to-do list for some time and an end to clubs sending an unlimited number of players out on loan could be coming soon.

Fifa have proposed that clubs can send a maximum of six players on loan to prevent sides stockpiling young talent. 

Snip

The reform package will be delivered to the Fifa Council on 26 October during its next meeting and it is hoped that the new regulations are phased in over the next two years.

“We have brought everyone to the table and all key actors of the industry have understood that we need to take action, leading today to this reform proposal,” said Infantino.

Snip

 

Shit, this looks like it really may go through

It was on the cards that happening  let's be honest 90% our loaness are not good enough look at todd kane for example look at many loan spells he's been on and he will never play for Chelsea cause he's not good enough to play for Chelsea a championship team is his level 

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This is not “Sarriball”

https://chelseafancast.com/2018/11/this-is-not-sarriball/

Or Sarrismo.  Or whatever new fad word Chelsea supporters are using these days to describe this new found attacking football the club are playing.  We have played 10 league games and haven’t lost any on the way to 24 points out of a possible 30.  We have seen our beloved Chelsea Football Club score some fantastic goals and we are excited by what the future may bring. But, this is not the high flying, Guardiola praising, taking Serie A by storm Sarriball that we all heard so much about this summer.

I was excited when Maurizio Sarri took over at the club.  I was frustrated like many supporters in years past when we used negative tactics in so many big matches.  I was downright giddy when I saw the way we played against Liverpool in the league, even though we didn’t win.  We played to win.  Which to me was almost as important as winning.  It showed that, even though Sarri might not think the players are 100% comfortable with the implementation of his style, we were not going to let the opposition dictate the game to us.

But, this is not the Sarriball that we all heard so much about this summer.  The style of football we are currently playing is closer the Guardiola’s Barca’s sides than what Sarri did with Napoli the past 2 seasons.  Sarri’s tactics at Napoli involved quick, decisive passes in between the lines to expose the defenses in Italy.  He used the quickness and agility of Insigne, Callejon and Mertens to great effect in wreaking havoc on Serie A leading to a second place finish on 95 points while scoring 77 goals in 38 matches averaging over 2 goals per match.

There are similarities in the style Chelsea are currently playing and Sarri’s Napoli.  Like the high pressing, triangular passing angles and, most importantly, Jorginho.  The Brazilian-Italian Midfielder was at the heart of what Sarri’s Napoli was able to do in Serie A and it was a major coup when Chelsea were able to bring him to Stamford Bridge over their Premier League rivals Manchester City.  Jorginho is constantly directing play while on the pitch.  He doesn’t do so with flashy dribbling or flair.  He does it with seemingly constant communication with his teammates and effective passes.  Telling his teammates where the ball should be played or where the proper space to move into is on the pitch.  His passing is instinctive and he is always looking to play the ball between the lines of the opponent, but he will play the simple pass if that is his option.  Jorginho’s main role as the deep lying playmaker is to keep the play moving and he does so with ease.  He does not hold the ball to slow down the tempo, he quickly cycles the ball throughout the pitch to keep the opposition moving.  I have come up with a nickname for our number 5 and it’s “Mr. One-touch.”  Keep it going, tell your friends.

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On 31/10/2018 at 11:26 PM, Jason said:

Not having issue with Sarri's rotation but more so with his player-position selection. To him, it's Jorginho/Fabregas, Kovacic/Barkley/Loftus-Cheek and Kante. We know he wants a deep lying playmaker in his midfield trio but is he THAT rigid that he can't even switch it up some times? Is there really only one way to play Sarriball? Can't he play Kante in DM and Barkley and Kovacic ahead of him. Think I've seen this discussion take place in the forum but feel like his rigidity will cost us games and/or players somewhere down the line. 

Yes. He is that rigid. Which is why if Kante cannot adapt (the jury is still out) he will be one the millstones that sinks the SS Sarri if he keeps trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

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Maurizio Sarri says midfielders Danny Drinkwater, 28, and Victor Moses, 27, are not part of his plans. (Evening Standard)

[Fernando 6,585]

I still will never understand the buy of drinkwater. 

Unless Conte really wanted him.