Callum Hudson-Odoi

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39 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Ahead of who? Pedro? Hazard? He isn't using him because everyone else has done good so far. Its obvious. 

Try him at striker or a false 9, he has played it before. I would test it in an early cup tie, maybe in the second half with a big lead. Try it for a half or so, if it doesn't work, at least we know. I think Sarri has a gambler streak in him (he smokes like a chimney, thats rolling dice for sure, lol)

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4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Everything I have seen from Ampadu tells me he is ready to go now, this year, at top flight football. I would have very little worries if he was starting an EPL game or a Euro league games for us. He has FAR more in concentration level than Luiz, the CB disaster waiting to happen. A TRUE shame CHO is not a natural RW as I do not rate Willian unless we are talking up his value in that goddamn failed swap for Martial or the stupid move to not accept £65m from Barca for him, and then buy Malcom (who only cost Barca £37m) or went truly big and snatched up Bailey) nor can Pedro go for 50 games at his age. CHO could surely grab more minutes that way (as a RW). I would even try to run him as false nine or a straight up striker, as he has often played there in lower comps.

Oh stop! People like you would be the first to moan if we started the young guys and lost a game. The fact is, experience will trump youth at the moment because our young players aren't at that level yet. Like others have said, there will be cup games where they will likely be used in rotation, but to expect either Ampadu or Hudson-Odoi to start for us in a league game is mental. Hazard already occupies Hudson-Odoi's strongest position. I don't think he'll be anywhere near as effective as Pedro on the other side either seeing as he is predominantly right footed, unlike Pedro who can play well with his weaker foot too. 

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45 minutes ago, It's too big said:

Oh stop! People like you would be the first to moan if we started the young guys and lost a game. The fact is, experience will trump youth at the moment because our young players aren't at that level yet. Like others have said, there will be cup games where they will likely be used in rotation, but to expect either Ampadu or Hudson-Odoi to start for us in a league game is mental. Hazard already occupies Hudson-Odoi's strongest position. I don't think he'll be anywhere near as effective as Pedro on the other side either seeing as he is predominantly right footed, unlike Pedro who can play well with his weaker foot too. 

In another post I said a cup tie for a half with CHO as a false nine or even at striker. Ampadu could handle a league game. I completely disagree with you on that.

You lost the argument when you went with the old 'people like you' ad hominen. You know nothing about me that warrants that verbiage. 

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21 hours ago, DDA said:

Is there anybody able to explain why the fuck Sarri isn't using CHO?? The most electifying player in pre season. 

Believe me, I've been thinking about this a lot and its frustrating to me as well,....more so considering we're the only club in the top 5 that doesn't have at least one England international guaranteed to start every game,...

But I understand Sarri's difficulty in this case: Only 7 subs to be named in the PL match day squad.. 1 FB, 1 CB, 1 GK, 1 ST, 1 Winger, 1 CM, 1 CM/Winger.

In the case where we have 2 wingers on the bench, 1 of those positions will be MOST definitely taken up by Pedro/Willian (no arguing around this one, even if some people argue against it,... its a fail-safe). The 2nd winger spot, (again available only if Sarri opts to not take a backup CM), could be taken up by CHO. And honestly I would prefer CHO over say, Moses, for that one. But again, this is ONLY if Sarri chooses to keep an extra winger for the matchday squad.

Considering how unlikely it is for him to start a PL game right now, I've accepted two things (hopefully):

1. Sarri still wants to get the larger team used to his style of play. The more gelled the other players are with the style of play, the easier it will be for players like CHO and Ampadu to slot in and out. (Of course, you could argue that right now, CHO and Ampadu have played in Sarri's system longer than many of the other players in the squad)

2. CHO and Ampadu will be starters on our B team, which we will have to use more often than not, considering the number of games we will be involved in this season. They should realistically get plenty of game time if that's the case, and will increase the chances of making the PL squad on occasion.

 

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I do understand alot of what people are saying but comon, we aren't talking about Kakuta here. CHO is already a better player than Willian. I don't give a flying fuck if anybody disagrees. I see it for myself. He should be in the squad over Willian. End of.

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Moses is mediocre and shouldnt be on the bench instead of him

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24 minutes ago, DDA said:

I do understand alot of what people are saying but comon, we aren't talking about Kakuta here. CHO is already a better player than Willian. I don't give a flying fuck if anybody disagrees. I see it for myself. He should be in the squad over Willian. End of.

Im sorry but it's not as straight forward as that, there's a reason very few 17 year olds play regular top flight football, even god like talents like Messi, Mbappe and Hazard made around 10-15 appearances at the same age.  You could say Messi at 17 was better that Ludovic Guily, but the latter was getting the game time.

I would wager CHO and Amps will be top two in terms of the 17-18 academic age group lads with first team minutes in Europe this season.

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As someone alluded to on a previous post, we're currently playing once a week with a fully fit squad for selection.

And pre season cannot be compared to competitive games, the need to perform under pressure and expectation to win. The likes of Ampadu and CHO need to gain that experience by having it drip-fed to them and not 'thrown to the wolves'. Playing in the league cup which is our lowest priority, and getting minutes as subs in games that have been largely won but need seeing out is the first step and is built on from there.

Next month when the games come thick and fast, international periods, injuries and suspensions, they'll both get chances I'm sure of it and its then up to them to impress. 

As Tomo said, 10-15 games this season is progress for both and that is built on each year. 2-3 seasons from now we will hopefully be looking at both of these boys as first choice in their respective positions, anything earlier is a bonus.

[DYC. 7,542]

Same story, different season.

Youngsters will most likely barely feature during the season. Whoever is in charge of Chels will always have more interest in producing results rather than developing raw youngsters and academy products.

The Chelsea way is to go out on loan, greatly impress and you might get the chance to come back and be a part of the squad. Only a Messi level talent has a shot of making the jump from academy to first team regular or first XI.

The only way I can see the dynamic at the club changing is if the coach has four or five full seasons under his belt, feels comfortable in that manager seat and wants to create a legacy.

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I think everyone here needs to be reminded that this season we play on Thursdays(!). Which means that most of the time we'll be literally fielding a second XI in those games. Even Kante can't play on Thursday evening and the right after that on Saturday noon.

Thus, Hudson will get his chances this year.

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10 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

As someone alluded to on a previous post, we're currently playing once a week with a fully fit squad for selection.

And pre season cannot be compared to competitive games, the need to perform under pressure and expectation to win. The likes of Ampadu and CHO need to gain that experience by having it drip-fed to them and not 'thrown to the wolves'. Playing in the league cup which is our lowest priority, and getting minutes as subs in games that have been largely won but need seeing out is the first step and is built on from there.

Next month when the games come thick and fast, international periods, injuries and suspensions, they'll both get chances I'm sure of it and its then up to them to impress. 

As Tomo said, 10-15 games this season is progress for both and that is built on each year. 2-3 seasons from now we will hopefully be looking at both of these boys as first choice in their respective positions, anything earlier is a bonus.

It is true, however was reading the Chelsea youth twitter page and it was in reference to Reiss Nelson being set to join Hoffenheim. Someone mentioned that he will get chances on the EL and cup games then the Chelsea youth twitter page made a valuable point in saying that CHO could go to the Bundesliga for a very respectable team and be playing every week. Look at Jadon Sancho. He features for Dortmund virtually every week and was regularly playing for them ages 17. CHO could easily do the same. He seems pretty level headed too as in he won't just sign a contract because the money is very lucrative. He wants to play. What will be telling is when we play Liverpool in the cup. I hope and expect him to start, however if he does not, would be really disappointing. CHO is surely thinking about this and you are getting an increasing amount of young English players who are going abroad to seek opportunities to play.

In CHO case, he could easily play week in week out at a very good team across Europe. 10-15 games is decent progress for a player but not if it is going to be the same for season after season, especially when at the age he is now and quality he has, he could be playing regular football now.

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11 minutes ago, Stats said:

It is true, however was reading the Chelsea youth twitter page and it was in reference to Reiss Nelson being set to join Hoffenheim. Someone mentioned that he will get chances on the EL and cup games then the Chelsea youth twitter page made a valuable point in saying that CHO could go to the Bundesliga for a very respectable team and be playing every week. Look at Jadon Sancho. He features for Dortmund virtually every week and was regularly playing for them ages 17. CHO could easily do the same. He seems pretty level headed too as in he won't just sign a contract because the money is very lucrative. He wants to play. What will be telling is when we play Liverpool in the cup. I hope and expect him to start, however if he does not, would be really disappointing. CHO is surely thinking about this and you are getting an increasing amount of young English players who are going abroad to seek opportunities to play.

In CHO case, he could easily play week in week out at a very good team across Europe. 10-15 games is decent progress for a player but not if it is going to be the same for season after season, especially when at the age he is now and quality he has, he could be playing regular football now.

If he doesn't get sufficient game time this season or come January, then I think he will be loaned out and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Germany. Ampadu too.

Ironically the best two players to come back from loans in recent years had successful spells in Germany (Christensen and De Bruyne). 

But this isn't a case like RLC who I think we failed by loaning him out far too late. These boys are still only 17. If they don't get the opportunities here, then they're still young enough to go on to a successful loan next season.

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1 hour ago, Stats said:

It is true, however was reading the Chelsea youth twitter page and it was in reference to Reiss Nelson being set to join Hoffenheim. Someone mentioned that he will get chances on the EL and cup games then the Chelsea youth twitter page made a valuable point in saying that CHO could go to the Bundesliga for a very respectable team and be playing every week. Look at Jadon Sancho. He features for Dortmund virtually every week and was regularly playing for them ages 17. CHO could easily do the same. He seems pretty level headed too as in he won't just sign a contract because the money is very lucrative. He wants to play. What will be telling is when we play Liverpool in the cup. I hope and expect him to start, however if he does not, would be really disappointing. CHO is surely thinking about this and you are getting an increasing amount of young English players who are going abroad to seek opportunities to play.

In CHO case, he could easily play week in week out at a very good team across Europe. 10-15 games is decent progress for a player but not if it is going to be the same for season after season, especially when at the age he is now and quality he has, he could be playing regular football now.

Sancho played 12 times mainly from the bench, CHO wouldn't be starting every week in a major league. Nelsens also an academic year older aswell.

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2 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

If he doesn't get sufficient game time this season or come January, then I think he will be loaned out and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Germany. Ampadu too.

Ironically the best two players to come back from loans in recent years had successful spells in Germany (Christensen and De Bruyne). 

But this isn't a case like RLC who I think we failed by loaning him out far too late. These boys are still only 17. If they don't get the opportunities here, then they're still young enough to go on to a successful loan next season.

I'm afraid we will lose them both mate. 2 of the best youmg talents to come from the academy

Both contracts expire same time as Edens but we have offered CHO a new 5 year one apparently in July with no sign of pen to psper  and you know damned well all the big clubs are putting feelers out for him. The kids been with us 11 years he deserves to be given a chance and after the pre season I dont understand why hes not in before Willian.

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Sancho played 12 times mainly from the bench, CHO wouldn't be starting every week in a major league. Nelsens also an academic year older aswell.

I genuinely believe CHO could go to a lot of teams and be a regular starter or regular rotation. I pray he signs a new contract here, however I am just looking at the other picture as if I was CHO, and I had that good of a pre-season and then did not find myself at least on the bench, I would be annoyed.